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Northern Lights wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:54 pm
Jock42 wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:52 pm
Northern Lights wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:35 pm I see even Sturgeon isn’t following the COVID rules.

I’m sure the apologists will be along shortly, it’s probably Thatchers fault.
What's she done?
Took her mask off at a funeral and was blethering with some folk, it’s on beeb
Stupid arse and she should know better!

Also did same my self last week whilst in golf club having lunch. Got up to pay the bill and forgot to put mask on, got to the counter and was told in no uncertain terms to go away and put mask on. Apologised and followed instructions.
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Northern Lights wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:54 pm
Jock42 wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:52 pm
Northern Lights wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:35 pm I see even Sturgeon isn’t following the COVID rules.

I’m sure the apologists will be along shortly, it’s probably Thatchers fault.
What's she done?
Took her mask off at a funeral and was blethering with some folk, it’s on beeb
I'd be a bit hypocritical to say anything as much as I dislike her. Did the same at my mother's wake.
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But she.....

Nah, non story.
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Not the only Scot breaking the rules.
The Marquess of Bute has been charged with allegedly breaking coronavirus legislation after apparently travelling from London to his ancestral home on a Scottish island after a strict ban on crossing the border came into force.
John Crichton-Stuart has been charged along with a group of six others, including a 90-year-old woman, after travelling to the Isle of Bute off the west coast of Scotland on Sunday, after London was put into tier 4 and a travel ban enforced between Scotland and the rest of the UK.
A ban on travel to and from tier 4 areas in the south of England, including London, came into force after midnight on Sunday, a day after Nicola Sturgeon announced a ban on cross-border travel in an attempt to halt the spread of a new highly transmissible strain of coronavirus.

A Police Scotland spokesperson said: “On Monday December 21 2020, we received a report of a group of people travelling to the Isle of Bute in contravention of alleged breaches under the coronavirus legislation.

“Inquiries were carried out and three men aged 32, 62 and 69 years, and four women aged 21, 29, 60 and 90, have been charged and will be subject of a report to the procurator fiscal.”
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Jock42 wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:02 pm
Northern Lights wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:54 pm
Jock42 wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:52 pm

What's she done?
Took her mask off at a funeral and was blethering with some folk, it’s on beeb
I'd be a bit hypocritical to say anything as much as I dislike her. Did the same at my mother's wake.
Aye but i dont see you preaching to the rest of us. It's the holier than thou attitude that pisses me off and being so quick to judge others, so she is human and fucked up but she does deserve some shite for the hectoring she has done to the rest of us.

I've largely abided by the rules but am certainly not 100% sticking to everything, just using common sense and so far so good, dont think ive caught it unless ive been lucky to be asymtomatic and not realised ive had it.
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SaintK wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:40 pm Not the only Scot breaking the rules.
The Marquess of Bute has been charged with allegedly breaking coronavirus legislation after apparently travelling from London to his ancestral home on a Scottish island after a strict ban on crossing the border came into force.
John Crichton-Stuart has been charged along with a group of six others, including a 90-year-old woman, after travelling to the Isle of Bute off the west coast of Scotland on Sunday, after London was put into tier 4 and a travel ban enforced between Scotland and the rest of the UK.
A ban on travel to and from tier 4 areas in the south of England, including London, came into force after midnight on Sunday, a day after Nicola Sturgeon announced a ban on cross-border travel in an attempt to halt the spread of a new highly transmissible strain of coronavirus.

A Police Scotland spokesperson said: “On Monday December 21 2020, we received a report of a group of people travelling to the Isle of Bute in contravention of alleged breaches under the coronavirus legislation.

“Inquiries were carried out and three men aged 32, 62 and 69 years, and four women aged 21, 29, 60 and 90, have been charged and will be subject of a report to the procurator fiscal.”
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Northern Lights wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:16 pm
Jock42 wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:02 pm
Northern Lights wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:54 pm

Took her mask off at a funeral and was blethering with some folk, it’s on beeb
I'd be a bit hypocritical to say anything as much as I dislike her. Did the same at my mother's wake.
Aye but i dont see you preaching to the rest of us. It's the holier than thou attitude that pisses me off and being so quick to judge others, so she is human and fucked up but she does deserve some shite for the hectoring she has done to the rest of us.

I've largely abided by the rules but am certainly not 100% sticking to everything, just using common sense and so far so good, dont think ive caught it unless ive been lucky to be asymtomatic and not realised ive had it.
True.

I've been the same. Just been given a couple of dozen rapid tests, interested to see if I'm positive over the next couple of months. Can't have got this far without being asymptomatic.
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Slick wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:17 pm
SaintK wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:40 pm Not the only Scot breaking the rules.
The Marquess of Bute has been charged with allegedly breaking coronavirus legislation after apparently travelling from London to his ancestral home on a Scottish island after a strict ban on crossing the border came into force.
John Crichton-Stuart has been charged along with a group of six others, including a 90-year-old woman, after travelling to the Isle of Bute off the west coast of Scotland on Sunday, after London was put into tier 4 and a travel ban enforced between Scotland and the rest of the UK.
A ban on travel to and from tier 4 areas in the south of England, including London, came into force after midnight on Sunday, a day after Nicola Sturgeon announced a ban on cross-border travel in an attempt to halt the spread of a new highly transmissible strain of coronavirus.

A Police Scotland spokesperson said: “On Monday December 21 2020, we received a report of a group of people travelling to the Isle of Bute in contravention of alleged breaches under the coronavirus legislation.

“Inquiries were carried out and three men aged 32, 62 and 69 years, and four women aged 21, 29, 60 and 90, have been charged and will be subject of a report to the procurator fiscal.”
Be a good chap and post a pic of his daughter would you?
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Jock42 wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:21 pm
Northern Lights wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:16 pm
Jock42 wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:02 pm

I'd be a bit hypocritical to say anything as much as I dislike her. Did the same at my mother's wake.
Aye but i dont see you preaching to the rest of us. It's the holier than thou attitude that pisses me off and being so quick to judge others, so she is human and fucked up but she does deserve some shite for the hectoring she has done to the rest of us.

I've largely abided by the rules but am certainly not 100% sticking to everything, just using common sense and so far so good, dont think ive caught it unless ive been lucky to be asymtomatic and not realised ive had it.
True.

I've been the same. Just been given a couple of dozen rapid tests, interested to see if I'm positive over the next couple of months. Can't have got this far without being asymptomatic.
My wife and daughter both caught it. We were in no position to avoid each other in the house so I just assumed I would have it/get it and didn't bother. I've tested negative twice.
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BlackMac, both from work I take it? Were/are they OK? Tough gig
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You are a fine man SainkK :thumbup:
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Blackmac wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:40 pm
My wife and daughter both caught it. We were in no position to avoid each other in the house so I just assumed I would have it/get it and didn't bother. I've tested negative twice.
I reckon my partner had it early days, probably caught it from me when the ppe situation was gash. She tested negative but it was at the same time that 1/3 of tests were u/s.

Quite a few colleagues have tested positive, there's little chance I've not had it.
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Slick wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 4:30 pm You are a fine man SainkK :thumbup:
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Slick wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:49 pm BlackMac, both from work I take it? Were/are they OK? Tough gig
Yeah, the wife was pretty sure thats where she picked it up and she probably passed it to youngest daughter. The oldest one, who is the physio, has her own place so she was fine. Both pretty much asymptomatic which was good.
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Glad their fine BM.

Went through our work as it was rife in the community for a wee bit and I was dealing with the local IMT who in no uncertain terms told me the pcr tests were shite as I was all geared up for testing everyone and was basically talked out of it.

Fortunately no one was properly ill or needed any medical care but it was an interesting experience to say the least, also pleased to say that they weren’t catching it at work but in the community/ lift sharing/ living together.
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Figures the last couple of days have been fairly shocking
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I hear talk that the Scottish Governments commitment to test all uni students before they went home for Christmas was the usual bucket of hot piss. Believed to have contributed massively to the increases in the Highlands and Islands.
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My son was tested before coming home , and received his test before going back a couple of days ago - and he confirmed that all his fellow students did
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So will there be a welconing committee of some sort?
Nicola Sturgeon has warned Donald Trump against flying to Scotland to play golf to avoid Joe Biden’s inauguration as US president later this month, since that would breach Scottish lockdown laws.
The first minister was responding to a report that Prestwick airport, which is close to Trump’s Turnberry golf resort in Ayrshire, has been told to expect a US military Boeing 757 used by Trump in the past on 19 January - the day before Biden’s inauguration ceremony in Washington DC.
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My daughter is at Edinburgh Uni (not staying in Uni accommodation) and she got tested twice before coming home to Inverness. All her friends did the same.
2 of her flat mates stayed in the flat and did not come home (they were working) and now have COVID.
She will not be going back for some time.
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SaintK wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:57 pm So will there be a welconing committee of some sort?
Nicola Sturgeon has warned Donald Trump against flying to Scotland to play golf to avoid Joe Biden’s inauguration as US president later this month, since that would breach Scottish lockdown laws.
The first minister was responding to a report that Prestwick airport, which is close to Trump’s Turnberry golf resort in Ayrshire, has been told to expect a US military Boeing 757 used by Trump in the past on 19 January - the day before Biden’s inauguration ceremony in Washington DC.

I'd love it if he got turned back at the border. That'd be hilarious.
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Biffer wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:24 pm
SaintK wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:57 pm So will there be a welconing committee of some sort?
Nicola Sturgeon has warned Donald Trump against flying to Scotland to play golf to avoid Joe Biden’s inauguration as US president later this month, since that would breach Scottish lockdown laws.
The first minister was responding to a report that Prestwick airport, which is close to Trump’s Turnberry golf resort in Ayrshire, has been told to expect a US military Boeing 757 used by Trump in the past on 19 January - the day before Biden’s inauguration ceremony in Washington DC.

I'd love it if he got turned back at the border. That'd be hilarious.
Nah, wait till he gets himself & his security guys into the golf club, & he's settling down to dinner; & then roll in; & wallpaper the place with fines, & violations. If he doesn't pay them on time, & in full; send in the sheriffs. You could end up with a very nice Public golf course this summer !
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Biffer wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:24 pm
SaintK wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:57 pm So will there be a welconing committee of some sort?
Nicola Sturgeon has warned Donald Trump against flying to Scotland to play golf to avoid Joe Biden’s inauguration as US president later this month, since that would breach Scottish lockdown laws.
The first minister was responding to a report that Prestwick airport, which is close to Trump’s Turnberry golf resort in Ayrshire, has been told to expect a US military Boeing 757 used by Trump in the past on 19 January - the day before Biden’s inauguration ceremony in Washington DC.

I'd love it if he got turned back at the border. That'd be hilarious.
Arrested. Would be hilarious to see what the US would if their sitting president got arrested in Scotland the day before his successor takes the oath. My money would be on an extradition request. (No it wouldn't, sadly).
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fishfoodie wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:29 pm
Biffer wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:24 pm
SaintK wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:57 pm So will there be a welconing committee of some sort?

I'd love it if he got turned back at the border. That'd be hilarious.
Nah, wait till he gets himself & his security guys into the golf club, & he's settling down to dinner; & then roll in; & wallpaper the place with fines, & violations. If he doesn't pay them on time, & in full; send in the sheriffs. You could end up with a very nice Public golf course this summer !
Arrest him at the airport and let him spend the night in a pish soaked cell at Troon police station.
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Not sure you can arrest someone who will still be a head of state at that point.

Also fancy the worlds only military hyperpower vs this guy if it gets nasty:

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tc27 wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:49 pm Not sure you can arrest someone who will still be a head of state at that point.

Also fancy the worlds only military hyperpower vs this guy if it gets nasty:

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Diplomatic immunity right enough, but you can refuse him entry.
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On a serious not it would be very unusual for the US President to turn up without consulting the UK government and he probably won't be refused entry. Maybe he's figured if we wont extract Assange for being mental then he's got a good shot.
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tc27 wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:57 pm On a serious not it would be very unusual for the US President to turn up without consulting the UK government and he probably won't be refused entry. Maybe he's figured if we wont extract Assange for being mental then he's got a good shot.
It'd be a bit more than unusual; it'd be unprecedented.

Any of these trips require considerable preparation by the secret service; & the receiving police service, as well as things like establishing no fly zones, special medical facilities; fighter aircraft on standby, etc, etc.

Setting all this up for 1 day, before the prick becomes just another US Citizen would be idiotic.
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fishfoodie wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 4:03 pm
tc27 wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:57 pm On a serious not it would be very unusual for the US President to turn up without consulting the UK government and he probably won't be refused entry. Maybe he's figured if we wont extract Assange for being mental then he's got a good shot.
It'd be a bit more than unusual; it'd be unprecedented.

Any of these trips require considerable preparation by the secret service; & the receiving police service, as well as things like establishing no fly zones, special medical facilities; fighter aircraft on standby, etc, etc.

Setting all this up for 1 day, before the prick becomes just another US Citizen would be idiotic.

Agree I suspect its not Trump as a notification about no fly zones would have being published already - as I understand Airforce 1 is provided to the outgoing President after Jan 20 as a courtesy to fly him home. The 757 is AF2 and is usually the VPs or high ranking cabinet members ride.
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Despite the awful general comms during this crisis to me its ok that BJ is not rushing out to announce stuff just to beat NS to the punch by a few hours (and conversely NS doing the opposite is fairly tedious).

Evening press conferences/broadcasts reach many more people.
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tc27 wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:34 pm Despite the awful general comms during this crisis to me its ok that BJ is not rushing out to announce stuff just to beat NS to the punch by a few hours (and conversely NS doing the opposite is fairly tedious).

Evening press conferences/broadcasts reach many more people.
Yeah, because of course that’s exactly what you would be saying if it was the other way round.
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Tattie wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:48 pm
tc27 wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:34 pm Despite the awful general comms during this crisis to me its ok that BJ is not rushing out to announce stuff just to beat NS to the punch by a few hours (and conversely NS doing the opposite is fairly tedious).

Evening press conferences/broadcasts reach many more people.
Yeah, because of course that’s exactly what you would be saying if it was the other way round.
Yes, being consistent matters and I am not shy of criticising the UK goverment.
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tc27 wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:34 pm Despite the awful general comms during this crisis to me its ok that BJ is not rushing out to announce stuff just to beat NS to the punch by a few hours (and conversely NS doing the opposite is fairly tedious).

Evening press conferences/broadcasts reach many more people.
Except that NS is coming across as being on top of the issue & details. Boris is coming across as dithering & reacting. It didn't help when the earlier briefings were done by Hancock, Raab et al
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A very thorough summary of where we are with Sturgeon's potential breach of the ministerial code, the below provides the most detail I've read on the subject, for example, I hadn't known that Salmond potentially wanted to come back to Holyrood via a vacated seat in Aberdeen.

Hyperlink for article: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/now ... eon-begins

Now the trial of Nicola Sturgeon begins

For some months now it has been apparent that the greatest threat to Nicola Sturgeon’s position as the uncontested queen of Scottish politics lay within her own movement. Opposition parties could – and did – criticise the Scottish government’s record in government but their efforts were as useful as attempting to sack Edinburgh Castle armed with nothing more threatening than a pea-shooter.

Meanwhile in London, Boris Johnson and his ministers appeared determined to do all they could to inadvertently bolster Sturgeon’s position. As Douglas Ross, the leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist party complained, 'the case for separation is now being made more effectively in London than it ever could be in Edinburgh'. The last 17 opinion polls conducted in Scotland have each recorded a majority for independence.

Only one spectre haunted Sturgeon; only one man appeared to have the capacity to inflict a serious, and perhaps even fatal, blow upon her. That man is her predecessor: Alex Salmond. The fall-out from Salmond’s trial – and acquittal – on a dozen charges of sexual assault – has been a slow-moving but extraordinary drama to which too little attention has been paid in Scotland, let alone the rest of the United Kingdom. It is a complicated and often confusing tale and also a grim and sordid one. And it bears some exploration, for it may yet have some modest impact on British political history.

It begins, in one sense, in late 2017. In the wake of the Harvey Weinstein affair, the #MeToo movement sweeps the world. It reaches Westminster where it claims the career of Michael Fallon, the defence secretary and it reaches as far as Edinburgh too. In November, Mark McDonald, the minister for childcare in the Scottish government, is discovered to have sent what are deemed 'inappropriate' texts to women. He is forced to resign as a minister. And speculation mounts that, if he is also compelled to resign his Aberdeen Donside seat, Alex Salmond might be interested in contesting the ensuing by-election.

Salmond’s supporters argue that Sturgeon considered this an intolerable threat to her own position. Salmond, they insist, had to be stopped and by any means necessary. Sturgeon’s allies believe this is a nonsensical interpretation of history, though they also acknowledge that the first minister had wearied of her predecessor. She, not him, was the boss now and his occasional intimations she was merely the SNP’s chauffeur were unwelcome. Besides he had, in her view, tarnished his own standing by agreeing to host a chat show on RT, the Kremlin-backed propaganda outlet formerly known as Russia Today.

In any case, in late 2017, Nicola Sturgeon, in conjunction with Leslie Evans, the permanent secretary and Scotland’s most senior civil servant, decides that the Scottish government’s policies on sexual harassment and related matters require updating. They insist a new policy should include measures capable of addressing historic complaints. This is to include allegations against former ministers.

During this process, two women raise 'concerns' they had in terms of their experiences with Alex Salmond. These concerns later calcify into 'complaints'. The Scottish government begins an internal investigation. This is the beginning of a process that may yet destroy Nicola Sturgeon and certainly will if Alex Salmond has his way.

At this stage – early 2018 – Sturgeon insists she was unaware that any complaints had been made against Salmond or that these are being investigated by her civil servants. She told the Scottish parliament she first learnt of the complaints against Salmond on 2 April 2018, when he asked to meet her to discuss a matter of pressing concern.

Awkwardly, that account – repeated on multiple parliamentary occasions – was contradicted by sworn evidence given by Geoff Aberdein, Salmond’s former chief of staff, during the criminal trial. According to Aberdein, and since confirmed by Sturgeon herself, he met the first minister on 29 March 2018, where he raised the complaints against his former boss with a view to organising a meeting between Salmond and Sturgeon where they could be discussed further. According to Salmond, Aberdein was informed of the investigation by Sturgeon’s own chief-of-staff in early March 2018. At this stage, Sturgeon insists she was still unaware of the investigation.

Last October, Sturgeon – a notoriously meticulous and detail-oriented politician – claimed she had 'forgotten' about this meeting with Aberdein. 'From what I recall,' she told parliament, 'the discussion covered the fact that Alex Salmond wanted to see me urgently about a serious matter, and I think it did cover the suggestion that the matter might relate to allegations of a sexual nature'.

'The impression I had at this time,' she continued, 'was that Mr Salmond was in a state of considerable distress, and that he may be considering resigning his party membership'. In fact, Salmond wished to lodge his objections to the procedure under which he was being investigated – a process, he claims, that did not allow him an opportunity to know, let alone rebut, the charges made against him – and to press his claims for the complaints to be subjected to an arbitration process. This request was rejected by the Scottish government and Salmond subsequently informed Sturgeon he was seeking judicial review to determine the lawfulness of the government’s process.

Sturgeon continues to insist she was never involved in this process, having recused herself from it. Despite the awkward, indeed the abhorrent, nature of the situation in which she found herself, she owed it to the complainants to allow the investigation to run its course. That investigation concluded and, on 21 August, a police spokesman said: 'Police Scotland was instructed by the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal service to investigate potential criminality'. Two days later, the Daily Record revealed that Salmond was the subject of a police investigation. The source of that leak has never been found.

By late 2018 it was clear, even to the Scottish government, that Salmond’s judicial review was likely to succeed. The government’s own counsel warned that the government was almost certain to lose. Yet Sturgeon’s officials pressed on regardless, even though the official investigating the complaints against Salmond had previously come into contact with the women lodging complaints against the former first minister.

In January 2019, the government conceded the issue. Salmond was triumphant and later awarded more than half a million pounds in costs. To this day, Sturgeon insists that the 'appearance' of bias that might have prejudiced the investigation should not be confused with any actual bias. For her part, Leslie Evans, the permanent secretary, sends a text to another official noting that 'We may have lost the battle but we will win the war'. The government line is that this should be understood in the general context of #MeToo and not as a specific reference to Salmond.

And then a staggering development: on 24 January 2019 Salmond is arrested and charged with 14 offences of a sexual nature. These include one charge of attempted rape and another of sexual assault with intent to rape. A dozen of these charges will make it to court. The breadth, depth, and seriousness of the charges shocks even Salmond’s inveterate opponents. Scottish politics suddenly feels very different. No-one quite knows what to expect.

But few people outside Salmond’s immediate circle anticipate what actually happens: on 23 March 2020, Salmond is acquitted on all counts. Outside the High Court in Edinburgh, he vows to avenge himself on those he believes have wronged him. 'There is certain evidence I would have liked to have seen led in this trial,' he says, 'but for a variety of reasons, this was not possible. Those facts will see the light.'

In one sense, however, the damage is already done. Salmond’s reputation is already trashed; the question no-one can yet answer is whether or not he will succeed in bringing down his successor and with it, just perhaps, the Scottish National Party’s ambitions to lead Scotland into the body of the United Nations – and the European Union – as a newly independent state.

By his own admission Salmond is 'no angel' and in court his own lawyer acknowledged that Salmond could have been a 'better man'. With regard to a charge of sexual assault with intent to rape, he conceded that he could have behaved in a better, more appropriate, fashion but that he had apologised for his actions to the woman in question and that this apology had been accepted. On this charge he was acquitted with a 'not proven' verdict.

Multiple witnesses testified in court that Salmond’s behaviour so much concerned senior civil servants that, in the months before the 2014 referendum on independence, duty rosters were quietly rearranged to ensure a male civil servant was always part of the late-night team at Bute House, the first minister’s official residence in Edinburgh. (If true, this was an informal, undocumented, arrangement: Salmond’s defence team called witnesses who claimed to be unaware of it.)

Even so, the essential part of Salmond’s defence was that he was a creep but not a criminal; a contention given still greater credence when his lawyer, Gordon Jackson QC, was overheard telling another passenger on the Edinburgh-Glasgow train that his client was 'inappropriate' and 'stupid' and an 'arsehole' but not, vitally, a sexual predator. He might not be an ogre but nor was he a good man.

From this, other matters arise. If we are to take Salmond at his own lawyer’s estimation, how probable was it that his poor behaviour only became apparent once he became first minister in 2007? The incidents that formed the basis of the charges against him all took place between 2010 and 2014. Surely other people within the SNP must have had some inkling Salmond’s hands might not always be trustworthy? And wouldn’t something of this have been known to Nicola Sturgeon, Salmond’s deputy since 2004? Was it not also conceivable that Peter Murrell, the SNP’s chief executive who happens to be married to Nicola Sturgeon, might also have heard some of the whispers plenty of other people in Scottish politics had heard?

This is part of the background to the predicament in which Sturgeon now finds herself. For, remarkably and fairly or not, she is now the politician on trial. Salmond has been acquitted in the courts; now the trial of Nicola Sturgeon begins.

Lost in this are the experiences of the nine women complainers themselves. Their reputations have been traduced online and although they retain their rights to anonymity in the small world of Scottish politics there are plenty of people who know their identities. There is a sense, too, in which their anonymity, while proper, precludes the public from gaining a fuller, and perhaps more truthful, understanding of this saga.

In any case, the Scottish government’s botched handling of its investigation becomes the justification for and focus of a Holyrood inquiry into the government’s handling of historic sexual harassment cases. The committee’s remit is not to relitigate the Salmond trial but rather to explore how and why the government ended up collapsing its own case in the judicial review process and how, and why, it let down the women complainers.

It is, however, an unavoidably political process. The committee, chaired by Linda Fabiani, an SNP MSP, has repeatedly complained that its work has been obstructed by the Scottish government and, albeit to a lesser extent, Salmond. Senior civil servants, including Leslie Evans, do not appear to have the powers of recall you would associate with holders of such senior positions. The government has refused to hand over the legal advice it received during the judicial review process and has twice defied explicit parliamentary instructions it do so. This has helped foster the suspicion someone, somewhere, is hiding something more serious than mere incompetence.

But what? That remains unclear. Sturgeon is accused of breaking the ministerial code by failing to report her conversations with Salmond in the spring of 2018. She claims that the 2 April meeting at her home concerned SNP party business and had nothing to do with the government. This is hotly disputed by Salmond. The first minister’s account, he says, is 'untrue' and 'untenable' and 'wholly false'. Salmond alleges that Sturgeon has repeatedly misled – that is to say, lied to – parliament as well as breaking the ministerial code on multiple occasions. Either of these might ordinarily be considered a resigning matter.

And first ministers have perished for less. When it was revealed that Henry McLeish, the former Labour first minister, had failed to declare income derived from the sub-letting of his parliamentary office when he was a Westminster MP, John Swinney, then leading the SNP, sonorously declared that 'The conduct of the first minister must be beyond reproach'. I suppose it must, though it is now clear that standard was not applied to Alex Salmond and may not be applied to Nicola Sturgeon now.

In any case, the waters are made still murkier by the manner in which the SNP leader and its chief executive have contradicted one another. Sturgeon insists the now infamous meeting with Salmond at her home was a party matter; her husband, who claims to have arrived home to discover Salmond, Sturgeon, their aides, and Salmond’s lawyer, cloistered in his front parlour and thought there nothing unusual about this, insists it was a meeting about government business. It was, therefore, correct that he be kept in the dark about it. Mr Murrell’s account cannot be squared with Ms Sturgeon’s anymore than Sturgeon’s account may be squared with her husband’s.

The most plausible hypothesis – and this is merely my speculation – is that Sturgeon and Murrell believed this could be kept a party matter until such time as it became obvious it could not. At that point, nearly two months after the meeting took place, Sturgeon informed her civil servants of it though, as best we know, she did not furnish them with the details they would expect to receive of any and all government meetings.

In court, Salmond’s lawyer hinted at a dark conspiracy against his client. 'There is something going on here,' he told the jury. 'I can’t prove it, but I can smell it'. Monstrous as this allegation might be – for, if true, it would mean the first minister was at the centre of an attempt to corrupt the state’s justice system – it was ostensibly given some greater measure of credibility by a brace of text messages sent by Murrell the day after Salmond was charged by the police.

The first of these read: 'Totally agree folk should be asking the police questions… report now with the PF [Procurator Fiscal] on charges which leaves police twiddling their thumbs. So good time to be pressurising them. Would be good to know Met [looking at events in London'. A second message said: 'TBH [To be honest] the more fronts he is having to firefight on the better for all complainers. So CPS [Crown Prosecution Service] action would be a good thing.' Murrell now argues that the customary meaning given to the words in these messages should not apply in this instance. (The references to the CPS and the Metropolitan Police refer to reports that the Met was opening an investigation into alleged offences that might have occurred on their turf. These enquiries led to no further action.)

Although it forms no part of the Scottish parliament committee’s investigations, the backdrop to much of this is formed by a vague awareness that Salmond’s behaviour – sometimes inappropriate by his own admission – could hardly have only become apparent, or a matter for concern, once he became first minister in 2007. Perhaps this behaviour did not rise to the level of criminality, but traditionally even politicians have been held to more exacting standards than criminals.

So what, if anything, did the party know and when did it know it? One complainant testified in court that she had told the SNP in November 2017 the broad outline of an alleged incident that would lead to Salmond being charged with attempted rape. In response, a senior SNP official promised to 'sit' on this information, trusting that it would never require to be used. Although, again, this event does not fall within the Holyrood committee’s remit, it seems more troubling than many of the matters that do. For, remarkably, we are asked to believe that neither the SNP’s leader, nor its chief executive, were informed of this.

But then it is just as remarkable that Nicola Sturgeon and Peter Murrell are perhaps the only two people in Scotland’s political village who never heard any whispered concerns about Alex Salmond and his behaviour towards women. They heard nothing, they saw nothing and they certainly did nothing.

Sturgeon complains that some people accuse her of covering up Salmond’s deplorable behaviour even as other people accuse her of using it to destroy her predecessor. These can’t both be right, she says, and if they can’t both be right we are encouraged to think neither of them can be. This is a cute defence but not a watertight one. As a purely theoretical matter, it is quite possible for Sturgeon to have ignored Salmond’s behaviour in the past only to then, at a later date, conclude it could no longer be left in a box labelled 'Better left undisturbed'. That is merely a hypothesis but not, I submit, an impossible one.

Thus we now endure a remarkable situation in which Nicola Sturgeon and Alex Salmond, the two most significant figures in Scottish politics this century, each complain they are the victim of a conspiracy determined to destroy them. There is an unavoidably biblical or Shakespearian tinge to this grubby, often tawdry, tale but lurking somewhere within it lies the as yet unconfirmed truth.

As a matter of politics – for, of course, politics cannot be banished from this tale – the Salmond affair is the best, perhaps last, chance Scotland’s opposition politicians have of pinning something mucky on the first minister. That explains the ever-shriller tone taken by Conservative and Labour politicians. They cannot quite be sure what is being hidden from view but they are increasingly convinced something is.

That suspicion is shared by a minority of SNP parliamentarians. Some of these bristle at being referred to as 'Salmond’s allies' and plenty of them are, if we are to indulge them, yesterday’s men. Those who feel Salmond has been traduced are also disproportionately likely to question Sturgeon’s approach to the national question. She insists that Boris Johnson can be bent to her will, arguing that an SNP victory in May’s Holyrood elections will give her the mandate she needs to press for a second independence referendum and the moral authority to ensure Johnson concedes it. Sturgeon’s internal critics ask why the Prime Minister would do that, given the risk he would run of losing such a referendum, and ask a simple question: ‘What is Plan B?’ To which the answer is: there is no Plan B.

The authority of the Sturgeon-Murrell axis at the head of the party was dented in recent elections to the SNP’s national executive committee in which a slew of sceptical voices were voted into positions of notional – though not always actual – influence. Sturgeon retains the support of most SNP politicians and most of the membership but her position is not as secure, internally, as it was.

In the court of public opinion, however, matters are rather different. Polling confirms that Sturgeon remains significantly more popular–- and more trusted – than Salmond and, in any case, the saga has yet to penetrate the public’s consciousness. Beyond the usual suspects – inside and outside the SNP – there is as yet no great clamour for Sturgeon’s head. That reflects the manner in which the Salmond affair has been overshadowed by Covid but also the extent to which no-one has quite come up with a charge against Sturgeon that is both impressively serious and capable of being summarised in a single, pithy, soundbite.

And yet, certain problems persist. I submit that the only plausible explanation for Sturgeon forgetting her 29 March 2018 meeting with Geoff Aberdein is that she learned nothing from it she did not already know. I doubt the public cares, or can be made to care, very much about breaches of the ministerial code and I am not convinced the Scottish electorate would necessarily judge Sturgeon harshly for lying to parliament either. Some of this is baked-in to public scepticism anyway; some people will ask what the fuss is about remembering, or failing to remember, a mere meeting.

But there is no denying the peril – or the potential peril – of the situation in which Sturgeon finds herself. Salmond has little to lose, even if it seems extraordinary he might willingly pull down the house he did so much to build, while Sturgeon has everything, including history, to risk. It will strike some people, and not just women either, as hideous if the greatest victim of Salmond’s trial on charges of sexual predation proves to be the woman who succeeded him. That appears his intention, however.

There is this too: Salmond might be a piece of work but that does not in itself make his claim the first minister is a liar a fraudulent one. In the coming weeks, Salmond and Sturgeon will each give evidence in person to the Holyrood committee investigating this increasingly ugly, sordid, affair. Only an optimist would claim a satisfactory outcome in which the truth prevails is likely. There is too much at stake to allow too much daylight to intrude upon the inner workings of the SNP and the Scottish government alike.
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I'm not sure it would come as a surprise to many if Salmonds ego pulls down the whole independence surge
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On another note, is todays cabinet meeting on Covid a prelude to tighter restrictions?
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Slick wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:58 am I'm not sure it would come as a surprise to many if Salmonds ego pulls down the whole independence surge
Seems he might not get a chance unless Swinney widens the scope of this enquiry, I can't see him doing that personally.
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vball wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:13 pm My daughter is at Edinburgh Uni (not staying in Uni accommodation) and she got tested twice before coming home to Inverness. All her friends did the same.
2 of her flat mates stayed in the flat and did not come home (they were working) and now have COVID.
She will not be going back for some time.
That reasurring but certainly not the same everywhere. My daughter stays at home but all her class were just able to drift away. Same with family up in the highlands, whose kids have also travelled home without a test. One from Glasgow and one from Napier.
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