So, coronavirus...

[frodder]

only 155k first injections in England yesterday - even adding in the other UK nations that's a substantial drop off.

Hopefully its just the Sunday factor.

Sunday was always going to be a limiting factor. Same reason I have my doubts about the 24 hour vaccinations plan. Hardly anyone's going to come in at 3 in the morning to get a shot

Totals reported for Sunday are 225,407. This includes the catchup for Scotland and Wales for Friday and Saturday as well - so the Scots completed 40,151 Friday-Sunday,. the Welsh managed 25,362.

Be interesting to see what the impact of the 10 new mega-vax centres will be tomorrow

Wales won't be doing many as Mr Drakeford doesn't want to waste people's time.

[tc27]

Some number cruncher on Twitter tells me we need to be hitting 370kish per day from now on to hit mid Feb target.

[Openside]

Some number cruncher on Twitter tells me we need to be hitting 370kish per day from now on to hit mid Feb target.

They were talking about reaching 5M per week which frankly would be amazing. My sister in Cornwall is jabbing 8 hours a day for the next ten days

[dpedin]

Anyone know the age + physical anatomy (BMI, etc) of those who were involved in the Pfizer trial? I know two people (men, 70+, overweight) who have had the vaccine and now feel really, really shite!

1) Were men in this category part of the trial?
2) Is someone who has Covid-like symptoms after the jab more susceptible to getting Bad Covid later?

Complete breakdown here https://www.pfizer.com/science/coronavirus/vaccine

Cheers

As with flu jab there might be a few folk who feel a little off colour for 24 hours apparently. Problem is that a percentage of those who are vaccinated may already have contracted covid19 without knowing it prior to being jabbed plus it takes about 10 days for vaccination to become effective so it is possible folk can still contract covid19 immediately after being jabbed but hopefully not have it so seriously. Given the numbers involved this could amount to quite a few folk. Its happens the same every year when folk claim they caught the flu off their flu jab which is just not possible. Hopefully they will get better soon

[dpedin]

Some number cruncher on Twitter tells me we need to be hitting 370kish per day from now on to hit mid Feb target.

They were talking about reaching 5M per week which frankly would be amazing. My sister in Cornwall is jabbing 8 hours a day for the next ten days

The numbers are really going to have to ramp up once those already had the 1st jab get to the 12 week limit and need their 2nd jab. This will slow down the progress unless they either ramp up capacity and supply lines or else do what Raab hinted at and delay the 2nd jab even further. The latter option is pretty controversial and I am sure the medics would start jumping up and down. Evidence emerging that the 2nd jab really does boost immunity levels in individuals.

[dpedin]

Looks like Long covid19 and problems with cardiac, vascular system, strokes, etc is a real problem. Who would have guessed it eh!

'Almost a third of recovered Covid patients return to hospital in five months and one in eight die. Research has found a devastating long-term toll on survivors, with people developing heart problems, diabetes and chronic conditions.'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/0 ... ve-months/

Twitter thread here

[Sandstorm]

Long Covid is a lie! Not even a thing

[Bimbowomxn]

Long Covid is a lie! Not even a thing

He’s deliberately mis quoted the statistic from the study btw. I’ll let you work it out.

Your mattress will be soaking later I guess,

[Sandstorm]

Long Covid is a lie! Not even a thing

He’s deliberately mis quoted the statistic from the study btw. I’ll let you work it out.

Your mattress will be soaking later I guess,

You lied. Repeatedly. Own it.

[dpedin]

Long Covid is a lie! Not even a thing

He’s deliberately mis quoted the statistic from the study btw. I’ll let you work it out.

Your mattress will be soaking later I guess,

You lied. Repeatedly. Own it.

If you mean me - I didn't misquote anything - all I did was copy Daily Torygraph headline and link to twitter thread. Contact the Torygraph Science Editor or Dr Eric Feigl Ding and take it up with them, I'm sure they will be grateful to hear from someone more knowledgeable.

On the more substantive issue I assume you now accept long covid is a thing and is a nasty, dangerous thing?

[Bimbowomxn]

Long Covid is a lie! Not even a thing

He’s deliberately mis quoted the statistic from the study btw. I’ll let you work it out.

Your mattress will be soaking later I guess,

You lied. Repeatedly. Own it.

I’m not lying about anything, however you’re a bed wetter,

[Bimbowomxn]

He’s deliberately mis quoted the statistic from the study btw. I’ll let you work it out.

Your mattress will be soaking later I guess,

You lied. Repeatedly. Own it.

If you mean me - I didn't misquote anything - all I did was copy Daily Torygraph headline and link to twitter thread. Contact the Torygraph Science Editor or Dr Eric Feigl Ding and take it up with them, I'm sure they will be grateful to hear from someone more knowledgeable.

On the more substantive issue I assume you now accept long covid is a thing and is a nasty, dangerous thing?

No Dr Eric. He’s a proper one.

I’ve always accepted viral fatigue as a real thing,

[dpedin]

You lied. Repeatedly. Own it.

If you mean me - I didn't misquote anything - all I did was copy Daily Torygraph headline and link to twitter thread. Contact the Torygraph Science Editor or Dr Eric Feigl Ding and take it up with them, I'm sure they will be grateful to hear from someone more knowledgeable.

On the more substantive issue I assume you now accept long covid is a thing and is a nasty, dangerous thing?

No Dr Eric. He’s a proper one.

I’ve always accepted viral fatigue as a real thing,

Ha ha ha ha!

[Sandstorm]

He’s deliberately mis quoted the statistic from the study btw. I’ll let you work it out.

Your mattress will be soaking later I guess,

You lied. Repeatedly. Own it.

If you mean me - I didn't misquote anything - all I did was copy Daily Torygraph headline and link to twitter thread. Contact the Torygraph Science Editor or Dr Eric Feigl Ding and take it up with them, I'm sure they will be grateful to hear from someone more knowledgeable.

On the more substantive issue I assume you now accept long covid is a thing and is a nasty, dangerous thing?

I know you know. Bimbot is the one I’m calling out.

[Saint]

Some number cruncher on Twitter tells me we need to be hitting 370kish per day from now on to hit mid Feb target.

They were talking about reaching 5M per week which frankly would be amazing. My sister in Cornwall is jabbing 8 hours a day for the next ten days

My take is that 5 million a day is achievable if supplies hold up. But it won't be overnigh t- it takes facilities to ramp up, it takes us getting into the population segments that easily travel, etc. We're still dealing with a percentage of the population where vaccinators are moving house to house at the moment, which is terribly inefficient from a gross perspective even while it will enormously impact NHS numbers in the next month

[Rinkals]

Long Covid is a lie! Not even a thing

He’s deliberately mis quoted the statistic from the study btw. I’ll let you work it out.

Your mattress will be soaking later I guess,

You lied. Repeatedly. Own it.

It's what he does.

Nobody is terribly surprised.

[tc27]

SO...only 1 in 8 have it at the moment and hospitals are at breaking point.


So much for herd immunity - it would only work with mass and very basic palliative care for anyone over 50.

[Saint]

SO...only 1 in 8 have it at the moment and hospitals are at breaking point.


So much for herd immunity - it would only work with mass and very basic palliative care for anyone over 50.

To be accurate - 1 in 8 had Covid antibodies by end of December in England. The trouble is that if the transmissibility of the virus increases (as it has with the new strain) then the levels of immunity needed to blunt the virus increase also. This also applies to the vaccine - it will take a higher level of immunisation to achieve herd immunity, or even to seriously slow down transmission. The new strain is estimated to have an r between 0.4 and 0.7 higher than the original strain, so we probably need to get to closer to 80% immunised rathe than the 70% we had previously needed

On the plus side - the r in London and the Southeast is believed to be down to 0.6 now, so cases will be seriously tailing off, and across the UK as a whole it's around 0.9. The Midlands continues to be stubbornly high

Other good news is Matt Hancock is having to isolate after the app alerted him to being at risk. So he's going to do less damage for the next 10 days

[Jock42]

Some number cruncher on Twitter tells me we need to be hitting 370kish per day from now on to hit mid Feb target.

They were talking about reaching 5M per week which frankly would be amazing. My sister in Cornwall is jabbing 8 hours a day for the next ten days

I've not seen any comms from the service or reserves asking for assistance in delivering vaccines and the email address on the report someone posted a few days ago was bounced.

[SaintK]

Other good news is Matt Hancock is having to isolate after the app alerted him to being at risk. So he's going to do less damage for the next 10 days

[Openside]

Some number cruncher on Twitter tells me we need to be hitting 370kish per day from now on to hit mid Feb target.

They were talking about reaching 5M per week which frankly would be amazing. My sister in Cornwall is jabbing 8 hours a day for the next ten days

My take is that 5 million a day is achievable if supplies hold up. But it won't be overnigh t- it takes facilities to ramp up, it takes us getting into the population segments that easily travel, etc. We're still dealing with a percentage of the population where vaccinators are moving house to house at the moment, which is terribly inefficient from a gross perspective even while it will enormously impact NHS numbers in the next month

True when they get down to the below 70's they just needs inject people in long lines on sports fields.

[Openside]

Some number cruncher on Twitter tells me we need to be hitting 370kish per day from now on to hit mid Feb target.

They were talking about reaching 5M per week which frankly would be amazing. My sister in Cornwall is jabbing 8 hours a day for the next ten days

I've not seen any comms from the service or reserves asking for assistance in delivering vaccines and the email address on the report someone posted a few days ago was bounced.

she is not a volunteer she is a practice nurse and the vaccination mo have tried to nick her full time from her surgery which went down not well at all apparently each surgery needs to supply so many man hours

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... g-23343870

Matt Hancock is self-isolating after being alerted by the NHS Test and Trace app - and after being spotted in a busy park over the weekend.

[dpedin]

They were talking about reaching 5M per week which frankly would be amazing. My sister in Cornwall is jabbing 8 hours a day for the next ten days

My take is that 5 million a day is achievable if supplies hold up. But it won't be overnigh t- it takes facilities to ramp up, it takes us getting into the population segments that easily travel, etc. We're still dealing with a percentage of the population where vaccinators are moving house to house at the moment, which is terribly inefficient from a gross perspective even while it will enormously impact NHS numbers in the next month

True when they get down to the below 70's they just needs inject people in long lines on sports fields.

Come March we need to start doing the 2nd vaccines so in order to maintain the new vaccine numbers we need a significant ramp up in capacity. However the good news from what I am hearing is that the NHS is stepping up big time and folk are optimistic we will get there. There will be glitches and uneven progress but it is going well.

Focus in Scotland has been on front line health and social care staff and care home residents, mostly delivered in homes, which has taken a bit of time to get round them all. This phase is almost completed. There were vaccine supply issues recently, for example a number of staff booked in Lothian had to be rebooked when the supply failed to turn up. Vaccine supply will be the limiting factor, capacity to deliver is almost now in place.

Also spoke to someone who knows about these things and he reckons changing the vaccine if there is a different variant is about a half a days work in the lab to change the 'recipe' but the production, distribution, etc is the time consuming element but even changing the current vaccine would only be a 4-6 week job at most. Sounds promising.

If only we had spent the £22b on track, test and trace was given to the NHS instead of Serco/Deliottes, etc. Amazing that the first major success story for this shit show of a Gov is when they invest in the NHS supported by the forces instead of their dodgy private sector mates?

[Slick]

My take is that 5 million a day is achievable if supplies hold up. But it won't be overnigh t- it takes facilities to ramp up, it takes us getting into the population segments that easily travel, etc. We're still dealing with a percentage of the population where vaccinators are moving house to house at the moment, which is terribly inefficient from a gross perspective even while it will enormously impact NHS numbers in the next month

True when they get down to the below 70's they just needs inject people in long lines on sports fields.

Come March we need to start doing the 2nd vaccines so in order to maintain the new vaccine numbers we need a significant ramp up in capacity. However the good news from what I am hearing is that the NHS is stepping up big time and folk are optimistic we will get there. There will be glitches and uneven progress but it is going well.

Focus in Scotland has been on front line health and social care staff and care home residents, mostly delivered in homes, which has taken a bit of time to get round them all. This phase is almost completed. There were vaccine supply issues recently, for example a number of staff booked in Lothian had to be rebooked when the supply failed to turn up. Vaccine supply will be the limiting factor, capacity to deliver is almost now in place.

Also spoke to someone who knows about these things and he reckons changing the vaccine if there is a different variant is about a half a days work in the lab to change the 'recipe' but the production, distribution, etc is the time consuming element but even changing the current vaccine would only be a 4-6 week job at most. Sounds promising.

If only we had spent the £22b on track, test and trace was given to the NHS instead of Serco/Deliottes, etc. Amazing that the first major success story for this shit show of a Gov is when they invest in the NHS supported by the forces instead of their dodgy private sector mates?

Not having a dig, but the underlying message from NS, SG and yourself above is that Scotland is ready to go if the supply keeps up. Is this a little dig at UKG because the supply is not being distributed to Scotland properly, a pre emptive strike, or more a comment on global supply chains? Genuine question.

[Biffer]

True when they get down to the below 70's they just needs inject people in long lines on sports fields.

Come March we need to start doing the 2nd vaccines so in order to maintain the new vaccine numbers we need a significant ramp up in capacity. However the good news from what I am hearing is that the NHS is stepping up big time and folk are optimistic we will get there. There will be glitches and uneven progress but it is going well.

Focus in Scotland has been on front line health and social care staff and care home residents, mostly delivered in homes, which has taken a bit of time to get round them all. This phase is almost completed. There were vaccine supply issues recently, for example a number of staff booked in Lothian had to be rebooked when the supply failed to turn up. Vaccine supply will be the limiting factor, capacity to deliver is almost now in place.

Also spoke to someone who knows about these things and he reckons changing the vaccine if there is a different variant is about a half a days work in the lab to change the 'recipe' but the production, distribution, etc is the time consuming element but even changing the current vaccine would only be a 4-6 week job at most. Sounds promising.

If only we had spent the £22b on track, test and trace was given to the NHS instead of Serco/Deliottes, etc. Amazing that the first major success story for this shit show of a Gov is when they invest in the NHS supported by the forces instead of their dodgy private sector mates?

Not having a dig, but the underlying message from NS, SG and yourself above is that Scotland is ready to go if the supply keeps up. Is this a little dig at UKG because the supply is not being distributed to Scotland properly, a pre emptive strike, or more a comment on global supply chains? Genuine question.

No, I think NS has just said given the nature of what is being attempted there will be bumps in the road and people shouldn't start to scream at the first hiccup. I think that's fair.

[dpedin]

True when they get down to the below 70's they just needs inject people in long lines on sports fields.

Come March we need to start doing the 2nd vaccines so in order to maintain the new vaccine numbers we need a significant ramp up in capacity. However the good news from what I am hearing is that the NHS is stepping up big time and folk are optimistic we will get there. There will be glitches and uneven progress but it is going well.

Focus in Scotland has been on front line health and social care staff and care home residents, mostly delivered in homes, which has taken a bit of time to get round them all. This phase is almost completed. There were vaccine supply issues recently, for example a number of staff booked in Lothian had to be rebooked when the supply failed to turn up. Vaccine supply will be the limiting factor, capacity to deliver is almost now in place.

Also spoke to someone who knows about these things and he reckons changing the vaccine if there is a different variant is about a half a days work in the lab to change the 'recipe' but the production, distribution, etc is the time consuming element but even changing the current vaccine would only be a 4-6 week job at most. Sounds promising.

If only we had spent the £22b on track, test and trace was given to the NHS instead of Serco/Deliottes, etc. Amazing that the first major success story for this shit show of a Gov is when they invest in the NHS supported by the forces instead of their dodgy private sector mates?

Not having a dig, but the underlying message from NS, SG and yourself above is that Scotland is ready to go if the supply keeps up. Is this a little dig at UKG because the supply is not being distributed to Scotland properly, a pre emptive strike, or more a comment on global supply chains? Genuine question.

I'm always amazed at how many folk try and read between the lines looking for a Scot v Eng angle! Its almost like it is more important to them than the content and love looking something to pick away at. There is nothing in my post that even remotely takes a us v them angle on the supply issue. At least you apologise in advance. It is really just because I can comment on what I know and that is Scottish position and report on what I hear via contacts etc.

I have no idea why we have supply issues and who is responsible, however it is fair to say that the distribution of the vaccine has been problematic but only in a small number of cases and this is probably understandable. To make it a criticism from me of UK Gov is just plain ridiculous. If I thought it was a UK Gov issue dont worry I would say it out directly.

However my criticism of the UK Gov in spending £22b on the miserably poor privatised Test, Track and Trace national system still stands.

[dpedin]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55718313

[Slick]

Come March we need to start doing the 2nd vaccines so in order to maintain the new vaccine numbers we need a significant ramp up in capacity. However the good news from what I am hearing is that the NHS is stepping up big time and folk are optimistic we will get there. There will be glitches and uneven progress but it is going well.

Focus in Scotland has been on front line health and social care staff and care home residents, mostly delivered in homes, which has taken a bit of time to get round them all. This phase is almost completed. There were vaccine supply issues recently, for example a number of staff booked in Lothian had to be rebooked when the supply failed to turn up. Vaccine supply will be the limiting factor, capacity to deliver is almost now in place.

Also spoke to someone who knows about these things and he reckons changing the vaccine if there is a different variant is about a half a days work in the lab to change the 'recipe' but the production, distribution, etc is the time consuming element but even changing the current vaccine would only be a 4-6 week job at most. Sounds promising.

If only we had spent the £22b on track, test and trace was given to the NHS instead of Serco/Deliottes, etc. Amazing that the first major success story for this shit show of a Gov is when they invest in the NHS supported by the forces instead of their dodgy private sector mates?

Not having a dig, but the underlying message from NS, SG and yourself above is that Scotland is ready to go if the supply keeps up. Is this a little dig at UKG because the supply is not being distributed to Scotland properly, a pre emptive strike, or more a comment on global supply chains? Genuine question.

No, I think NS has just said given the nature of what is being attempted there will be bumps in the road and people shouldn't start to scream at the first hiccup. I think that's fair.

Completely agree.

[tc27]

Todays vaccine stats are pretty disappointing - only just breaching 200k for the whole UK (England has just done 170k today). Way below target.

Hopefully its mainly a reporting disruption rather than less supply or capacity.

[Insane_Homer]

[Saint]

Come March we need to start doing the 2nd vaccines so in order to maintain the new vaccine numbers we need a significant ramp up in capacity. However the good news from what I am hearing is that the NHS is stepping up big time and folk are optimistic we will get there. There will be glitches and uneven progress but it is going well.

Focus in Scotland has been on front line health and social care staff and care home residents, mostly delivered in homes, which has taken a bit of time to get round them all. This phase is almost completed. There were vaccine supply issues recently, for example a number of staff booked in Lothian had to be rebooked when the supply failed to turn up. Vaccine supply will be the limiting factor, capacity to deliver is almost now in place.

Also spoke to someone who knows about these things and he reckons changing the vaccine if there is a different variant is about a half a days work in the lab to change the 'recipe' but the production, distribution, etc is the time consuming element but even changing the current vaccine would only be a 4-6 week job at most. Sounds promising.

If only we had spent the £22b on track, test and trace was given to the NHS instead of Serco/Deliottes, etc. Amazing that the first major success story for this shit show of a Gov is when they invest in the NHS supported by the forces instead of their dodgy private sector mates?

Not having a dig, but the underlying message from NS, SG and yourself above is that Scotland is ready to go if the supply keeps up. Is this a little dig at UKG because the supply is not being distributed to Scotland properly, a pre emptive strike, or more a comment on global supply chains? Genuine question.

I'm always amazed at how many folk try and read between the lines looking for a Scot v Eng angle! Its almost like it is more important to them than the content and love looking something to pick away at. There is nothing in my post that even remotely takes a us v them angle on the supply issue. At least you apologise in advance. It is really just because I can comment on what I know and that is Scottish position and report on what I hear via contacts etc.

I have no idea why we have supply issues and who is responsible, however it is fair to say that the distribution of the vaccine has been problematic but only in a small number of cases and this is probably understandable. To make it a criticism from me of UK Gov is just plain ridiculous. If I thought it was a UK Gov issue dont worry I would say it out directly.

However my criticism of the UK Gov in spending £22b on the miserably poor privatised Test, Track and Trace national system still stands.

Reading between the lines a bit on the supply side of things. Pfizer definitely has some supply issues. Astrazeneca has some supply chain issues regarding vials, and possibly also some precursor raw materials, and there appears to be some questionmark over whether that's an AZ responsibility or UK Gov. MHRA is struggling to keep up with test and signoff for each batch - which is understandable as we've never had to deal with anything like this kind of scale before and it's not really something that you can scale up - there appears to be some work going on to get some of this done in the manufacturing plants where they actually have the kit and personnel to do the work.

As you say, there's going to be bumps in the road as we've never come close to trying to do something like this outside of wartime, and for all we look back at how it was a success there were lots of challenges then to. As I've said before, this is one part of the whole response where I think most people are actually massively impressed with how we've been able to accelerate so far, and for all the patriotic rhetoric that politicians are trying to use for once it's fair to say that this programme currently is worldbeating. The challenge is to continue to scale and keep overcoming the new obstacles as we discover them

[Saint]

Todays vaccine stats are pretty disappointing - only just breaching 200k for the whole UK (England has just done 170k today). Way below target.

Hopefully its mainly a reporting disruption rather than less supply or capacity.

I think it's becoming clear that we've hit a supply bottleneck at the moment that hopefully is short term.

[Saint]

Todays vaccine stats are pretty disappointing - only just breaching 200k for the whole UK (England has just done 170k today). Way below target.

Hopefully its mainly a reporting disruption rather than less supply or capacity.

I think it's becoming clear that we've hit a supply bottleneck at the moment that hopefully is short term.

Total numbers are in at 208K. for the day. Scotland look to have picked up the pace a bit, Wales is actually slowing down which from their number you would have thought was impossible. Surprising number of people still getting second doses

EDIT - Cumulatively we're at 4.2 million with the first dose and 456K on the second dose, so nearly completed 5% of the total job now

[tc27]

I am just confused because a lot more capacity came online yesterday.

It could well be a supply issue....HMG is treating vaccine supplies as a state secret so who knows.

[Saint]

I am just confused because a lot more capacity came online yesterday.

It could well be a supply issue....HMG is treating vaccine supplies as a state secret so who knows.

It's fairly clear that it's somewhere in the supply chain. There's reports of vacinators not having enough supply coming in all over the place. Exactly where in the chain is the question. AZ committed to 2 million doses being available this week, but that doesn't mean that any of them were available today for instance

[SaintK]

I am just confused because a lot more capacity came online yesterday.

It could well be a supply issue....HMG is treating vaccine supplies as a state secret so who knows.

....and the numbers vaccinated in some areas

#Devon MPs told by frustrated local NHS bosses in our weekly #Covid19UK that the Government has banned them from releasing local #vaccination figures although they have them. Unacceptable.

[Saint]

Looking at global figures, almost every country worldwide is tailing off at the moment. The UK isn't as much as others, but it's very clear that there's supply issues

[fishfoodie]

Looking at global figures, almost every country worldwide is tailing off at the moment. The UK isn't as much as others, but it's very clear that there's supply issues

There was an article a few days ago suggesting that they were re-organizing their production, so that long term they could increase delivery volumes; but that this re-org would lead to short term issues.

It sounds like thats exactly what we're seeing now.

[Saint]

Looking at global figures, almost every country worldwide is tailing off at the moment. The UK isn't as much as others, but it's very clear that there's supply issues

There was an article a few days ago suggesting that they were re-organizing their production, so that long term they could increase delivery volumes; but that this re-org would lead to short term issues.

It sounds like thats exactly what we're seeing now.

Yeah, that's specific to Pfizer. I think the reason the tailoff is not so bad in the UK is that AZ is picking up some of the slack, but there's issues getting that to scale as well