So, coronavirus...

[Sandstorm]

My 46 year old brother had his second AZ jab on Friday. All day and night of Saturday he felt really achy with a migraine. Feels 100% again today.

What sort of political push does he have to have had 2 jabs when aged just 46?

He’s on Maui. Teacher. Frontline worker. There’s only 130k on the island and the Hawaiian governor is on the ball.

[Saint]

My 46 year old brother had his second AZ jab on Friday. All day and night of Saturday he felt really achy with a migraine. Feels 100% again today.

What sort of political push does he have to have had 2 jabs when aged just 46?

He’s on Maui. Teacher. Frontline worker. There’s only 130k on the island and the Hawaiian governor is on the ball.

AZ isn't approved in the US though?

[Lobby]

What sort of political push does he have to have had 2 jabs when aged just 46?

He’s on Maui. Teacher. Frontline worker. There’s only 130k on the island and the Hawaiian governor is on the ball.

AZ isn't approved in the US though?

Only Pfizer and Modena are authorised in the US.

[tc27]

The US is conducting a massive trial of AZ before authorising.

[Sandstorm]

Sorry, it’s Pfizer. My mistake.

[Sards]

Be safe people....take this very seriously....

[Sandstorm]

Be safe people....take this very seriously....

Have a party at your house.

[Sards]

Be safe people....take this very seriously....

Have a party at your house.

every weekend....I just cannot give up my social life dudette

You know that was targetted at you darling.

[tc27]

Thanks for clarifying how vaccines are being distributed.

It really wasn't a political point but trying to be rational about trying to minimise the death rate across the UK, a bit like the argument about concentrating vaccine distribution across the EU. The current English death per million is running at 1,508 against a Scottish rate of 1,118 per million - 25% higher. I said in my post we should concentrate on London and the SE where the rate is highest and recognise that there are regional differences. In Scotland the death rate in Glasgow and Lanarkshire is the highest in Scotland. Number of deaths mirrors the number of cases, testing rate is as much a function of demand than anything else. I genuinely believe that we should be sending vaccines to those areas which have the highest death rates and where the NHS is under most pressure and this is clearly in parts of England. Where I am in Embra we are running at less than a 100 cases per 100,000 and deaths rates are relatively low as well, most deaths have been in care homes and these residents have now been vaccinated, so it would seem sensible to concentrate vaccination supplies and effort in those areas more at risk?

Really interesting that folk immediately jump on the Scotland v England issue when I thought I was making an entirely sensible suggestion - why not concentrate vaccination efforts in those areas of the UK, or Scotland, at highest risk and where the NHS is under most pressure? Lets look at the data rather than getting the hump?

I agree that there may be a sensible scientific rationale to do something other that per capita distribution. But I also think that there is zero chance that Nicola would permit that if it meant fewer shots per capital in Scotland.

Realpolitik is a real thing

If not across the 4 UK countries then this could be done within each of them? Given all the politicians say the listen to the science (whatever the feck that means) then it would be interesting to hear what the epidemiologists would say about this? Not any more controversial than delaying the 2nd dose for 12 weeks? Is it not about getting the max pop benefit for the vaccine available?

I think if it was worthwhile doing this then it might have being considered but I suspect there's such a marginal advantage that it wouldn't be worth the political shitstorm that would come with it. Additionally I wonder if the the vaccination wouldn't be more effective if areas that have more unaffected people because the disease has more potential to spread (if you follow me).

he current English death per million is running at 1,508 against a Scottish rate of 1,118 per million

Can I ask where you got that - looking at the comparable data I make the difference between England and Scotland to be 13% (136 vs 156 per 100k). The difference between the highest and lowest regions in England is 89 vs 200(!) which to me indicates geography, population spread and other factors are the driving force.

[Sandstorm]

Be safe people....take this very seriously....

Have a party at your house.

every weekend....I just cannot give up my social life dudette

You know that was targetted at you darling.

Strange, you're the only person I hear making jokes about Covid.

[dpedin]

I agree that there may be a sensible scientific rationale to do something other that per capita distribution. But I also think that there is zero chance that Nicola would permit that if it meant fewer shots per capital in Scotland.

Realpolitik is a real thing

If not across the 4 UK countries then this could be done within each of them? Given all the politicians say the listen to the science (whatever the feck that means) then it would be interesting to hear what the epidemiologists would say about this? Not any more controversial than delaying the 2nd dose for 12 weeks? Is it not about getting the max pop benefit for the vaccine available?

I think if it was worthwhile doing this then it might have being considered but I suspect there's such a marginal advantage that it wouldn't be worth the political shitstorm that would come with it. Additionally I wonder if the the vaccination wouldn't be more effective if areas that have more unaffected people because the disease has more potential to spread (if you follow me).

he current English death per million is running at 1,508 against a Scottish rate of 1,118 per million

Can I ask where you got that - looking at the comparable data I make the difference between England and Scotland to be 13% (136 vs 156 per 100k). The difference between the highest and lowest regions in England is 89 vs 200(!) which to me indicates geography, population spread and other factors are the driving force.

I use this website - someone on here recommended it - it pulls together all published data into nice easy to read graphs and charts.

https://www.travellingtabby.com/uk-coronavirus-tracker/

It does depend on the measure you use i.e. 28 days, death cert or excess deaths. The last 2-3 weeks has seen a significantly higher increase in deaths in England compared to Scotland, Wales and NI and has increased the difference in death rates.

There is research that has looked at a number of different factors to explain different death rates internationally i.e. pop density, obesity, deprivation, % of older pop, etc and didnt find any evidence to support the theory that these explain differences in death rates. Other countries have same/higher levels of obesity (NZ is higher than UK), pop density (South Korea is higher than UK), deprivation (Greece has higher levels than UK), old folk (Japan has more over 65s than UK), etc yet do not have the same number of cases nor deaths. They researchers concluded that the single biggest factor that determined a countries covid19 performance was Gov policy and how it was implemented. The UK was particularly shite in its response!

[Sards]

Have a party at your house.

every weekend....I just cannot give up my social life dudette

You know that was targetted at you darling.

Strange, you're the only person I hear making jokes about Covid.

Not joking lovey...

[tc27]

If not across the 4 UK countries then this could be done within each of them? Given all the politicians say the listen to the science (whatever the feck that means) then it would be interesting to hear what the epidemiologists would say about this? Not any more controversial than delaying the 2nd dose for 12 weeks? Is it not about getting the max pop benefit for the vaccine available?

I think if it was worthwhile doing this then it might have being considered but I suspect there's such a marginal advantage that it wouldn't be worth the political shitstorm that would come with it. Additionally I wonder if the the vaccination wouldn't be more effective if areas that have more unaffected people because the disease has more potential to spread (if you follow me).

he current English death per million is running at 1,508 against a Scottish rate of 1,118 per million

Can I ask where you got that - looking at the comparable data I make the difference between England and Scotland to be 13% (136 vs 156 per 100k). The difference between the highest and lowest regions in England is 89 vs 200(!) which to me indicates geography, population spread and other factors are the driving force.

I use this website - someone on here recommended it - it pulls together all published data into nice easy to read graphs and charts.

https://www.travellingtabby.com/uk-coronavirus-tracker/

It does depend on the measure you use i.e. 28 days, death cert or excess deaths. The last 2-3 weeks has seen a significantly higher increase in deaths in England compared to Scotland, Wales and NI and has increased the difference in death rates.

He doesn't say what metric he's using but I suspect its the 'Deaths within 28 days of positive test' which comes with the following health warning on the gov.uk site: Data from the four nations are not directly comparable as methodologies and inclusion criteria vary. . Probably explains the confusion.

They researchers concluded that the single biggest factor that determined a countries covid19 performance was Gov policy and how it was implemented

Wonder if they looked at this in a UK context - the best (by some distance) performing English or indeed UK region is the South West which had the same policies as the worst region (the North West).

[tc27]

The SA variant found in Surrey with people who have not travelled or knowingly met people who have.

A massive door to door testing effort is going to be started in the affected areas. T&T is supposed to be working reasonably well now - I guess we will see.

[Opensides Butler]

The SA variant found in Surrey with people who have not travelled or knowingly met people who have.

A massive door to door testing effort is going to be started in the affected areas. T&T is supposed to be working reasonably well now - I guess we will see.

Juan, the poolboy, has gone into hiding.

[Bimbowomxn]

Another Valance spin...


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rains.html

[dpedin]

I think if it was worthwhile doing this then it might have being considered but I suspect there's such a marginal advantage that it wouldn't be worth the political shitstorm that would come with it. Additionally I wonder if the the vaccination wouldn't be more effective if areas that have more unaffected people because the disease has more potential to spread (if you follow me).



Can I ask where you got that - looking at the comparable data I make the difference between England and Scotland to be 13% (136 vs 156 per 100k). The difference between the highest and lowest regions in England is 89 vs 200(!) which to me indicates geography, population spread and other factors are the driving force.

I use this website - someone on here recommended it - it pulls together all published data into nice easy to read graphs and charts.

https://www.travellingtabby.com/uk-coronavirus-tracker/

It does depend on the measure you use i.e. 28 days, death cert or excess deaths. The last 2-3 weeks has seen a significantly higher increase in deaths in England compared to Scotland, Wales and NI and has increased the difference in death rates.

He doesn't say what metric he's using but I suspect its the 'Deaths within 28 days of positive test' which comes with the following health warning on the gov.uk site: Data from the four nations are not directly comparable as methodologies and inclusion criteria vary. . Probably explains the confusion.

They researchers concluded that the single biggest factor that determined a countries covid19 performance was Gov policy and how it was implemented

Wonder if they looked at this in a UK context - the best (by some distance) performing English or indeed UK region is the South West which had the same policies as the worst region (the North West).

The article was in Nature, I will try and find it, and was looking at national comparisons. Of course there will be regional/local variation in each of the countries they looked at including the UK, that is the nature of a pandemic. You could even look at street level in a local hotspot/town and find significant variation in deaths? If I look at the detailed level info for Edinburgh I can see significant variation in death rates for different postal codes, however I know that this is often down to where care homes are located for example. The article was trying to find why countries had such different death rates and at a national level see if there was a link between various factors as mentioned earlier and deaths. There wasn't and they concluded that it was down to how each country's Gov dealt with it. By any measure the UK did pretty shit!

[Fangle]

My daughter, in Scotland in her forties, has had her first jab. She is on the at risk list and she was phoned given 50 minutes to get to the clinic. There were a few left in the batch.

[tc27]

Look like 320kish jabs registered today - a small number compared to yesterday but a 45% increase on this time last week apparently. The weekly average is really picking up.

[fishfoodie]

The papers are filled daily with a stream of selfish bastards breaking lock down. Whether it's a couple of nob ends who decide to get stuck on Ben Nevis; or some twat of PL footballer, who must have his haircut.

I think there's a lot to be said for making Covid fines, income linked; so the wealthy actually feel some pain.

[Dinsdale Piranha]

My daughter, in Scotland in her forties, has had her first jab. She is on the at risk list and she was phoned given 50 minutes to get to the clinic. There were a few left in the batch.

Sounds about right. A friend who is severely immuno-compromised (no pancreas or spleen) got his on Saturday. He's around 50. This is in London.

[Saint]

In the meantime we appear to have almost oversupplied overseas territories. A school friend of mine (so early 40s), no pre-existing etc. lives out in the Cayman Islands. Got his dose over the weekend after they'd cleared through all the at risk categories

[tc27]

In the meantime we appear to have almost oversupplied overseas territories. A school friend of mine (so early 40s), no pre-existing etc. lives out in the Cayman Islands. Got his dose over the weekend after they'd cleared through all the at risk categories

Its probably not economic to airlift small batches over - I can well imagine BOTs getting their consignments in full in one go.

[Sandstorm]

In the meantime we appear to have almost oversupplied overseas territories. A school friend of mine (so early 40s), no pre-existing etc. lives out in the Cayman Islands. Got his dose over the weekend after they'd cleared through all the at risk categories

All good for Zappaman

[Dinsdale Piranha]

In the meantime we appear to have almost oversupplied overseas territories. A school friend of mine (so early 40s), no pre-existing etc. lives out in the Cayman Islands. Got his dose over the weekend after they'd cleared through all the at risk categories

Its probably not economic to airlift small batches over - I can well imagine BOTs getting their consignments in full in one go.

Sounds about right. For the Caymans it's around 100,000 doses total so about 30 litres of actual vaccine. That's probably about a pallet.

[Biffer]

In the meantime we appear to have almost oversupplied overseas territories. A school friend of mine (so early 40s), no pre-existing etc. lives out in the Cayman Islands. Got his dose over the weekend after they'd cleared through all the at risk categories

Its probably not economic to airlift small batches over - I can well imagine BOTs getting their consignments in full in one go.

Sounds about right. For the Caymans it's around 100,000 doses total so about 30 litres of actual vaccine. That's probably about a pallet.

I know this is the plan for the smallest islands in Greece as well - Helicopter flies in, jab the whole island population in a day and then fly out again.

[Slick]

In the meantime we appear to have almost oversupplied overseas territories. A school friend of mine (so early 40s), no pre-existing etc. lives out in the Cayman Islands. Got his dose over the weekend after they'd cleared through all the at risk categories

Reminds me of an event I organised years ago for the Overseas Territories at the FCO. An hour before the audience arrived the couriers delivered the investment guides. We were all cooing over what a great job the designer had done - Cayman Islands illustrated with nice beaches and palm trees, Tristan da Cunha with their prized lobsters etc - when a scream came from the Falklands group... the designer had used a fucking fighter jet to promote them.

[Biffer]

In the meantime we appear to have almost oversupplied overseas territories. A school friend of mine (so early 40s), no pre-existing etc. lives out in the Cayman Islands. Got his dose over the weekend after they'd cleared through all the at risk categories

Reminds me of an event I organised years ago for the Overseas Territories at the FCO. An hour before the audience arrived the couriers delivered the investment guides. We were all cooing over what a great job the designer had done - Cayman Islands illustrated with nice beaches and palm trees, Tristan da Cunha with their prized lobsters etc - when a scream came from the Falklands group... the designer had used a fucking fighter jet to promote them.

What did he want, a penguin on a barren rock?

[Saint]

Look like 320kish jabs registered today - a small number compared to yesterday but a 45% increase on this time last week apparently. The weekly average is really picking up.

Final number came in at 322K. 7 day average now up to 389K, or 2.7 million per week

[Sandstorm]

In the meantime we appear to have almost oversupplied overseas territories. A school friend of mine (so early 40s), no pre-existing etc. lives out in the Cayman Islands. Got his dose over the weekend after they'd cleared through all the at risk categories

Reminds me of an event I organised years ago for the Overseas Territories at the FCO. An hour before the audience arrived the couriers delivered the investment guides. We were all cooing over what a great job the designer had done - Cayman Islands illustrated with nice beaches and palm trees, Tristan da Cunha with their prized lobsters etc - when a scream came from the Falklands group... the designer had used a fucking fighter jet to promote them.

What did he want, a penguin on a barren rock?

Old Landrover with 1 working headlight?

[Bimbowomxn]

[JM2K6]

That guy's twitter feed is full on tinfoil hat conspiracy nutter stuff. Quite remarkable. COVID is a scam cooked up by vaccine companies who are trying to kill you!!!!!

[Sandstorm]

Is that Trump’s GP?

[Raggs]

FFS, really still peddling that shit? It's been shown many times that it stops you from giving it to others, not so much catching it yourself.

All viruses get through? Feck off, any virus contained in a droplet won't get through, because the droplet it's contained in doesn't get through.

Are we really still having to explain this bollocks?

[Lobby]

Look like 320kish jabs registered today - a small number compared to yesterday but a 45% increase on this time last week apparently. The weekly average is really picking up.

Final number came in at 322K. 7 day average now up to 389K, or 2.7 million per week

Only 9,628 vaccinations in Scotland yesterday, however, which is apparently lowest number of first dose vaccinations in Scotland since the programme started. Should really be ramping up by now, not falling off.

[Biffer]

That guy's twitter feed is full on tinfoil hat conspiracy nutter stuff. Quite remarkable. COVID is a scam cooked up by vaccine companies who are trying to kill you!!!!!

Bacon's a carcinogen too. Has he stopped eating that?

[JM2K6]

That guy's twitter feed is full on tinfoil hat conspiracy nutter stuff. Quite remarkable. COVID is a scam cooked up by vaccine companies who are trying to kill you!!!!!

Bacon's a carcinogen too. Has he stopped eating that?

Yes. He's a hardcore vegan type.

[Saint]

Look like 320kish jabs registered today - a small number compared to yesterday but a 45% increase on this time last week apparently. The weekly average is really picking up.

Final number came in at 322K. 7 day average now up to 389K, or 2.7 million per week

Only 9,628 vaccinations in Scotland yesterday, however, which is apparently lowest number of first dose vaccinations in Scotland since the programme started. Should really be ramping up by now, not falling off.

I'm not too concerned. It's absolutely clear to me that there's delays in reporting - that's why the Friday/Saturday numbers are so good always

[Ymx]

Look like 320kish jabs registered today - a small number compared to yesterday but a 45% increase on this time last week apparently. The weekly average is really picking up.

Final number came in at 322K. 7 day average now up to 389K, or 2.7 million per week

Finally some increasing numbers we can actually get excited about.

[Jockaline]

Final number came in at 322K. 7 day average now up to 389K, or 2.7 million per week

Only 9,628 vaccinations in Scotland yesterday, however, which is apparently lowest number of first dose vaccinations in Scotland since the programme started. Should really be ramping up by now, not falling off.

I'm not too concerned. It's absolutely clear to me that there's delays in reporting - that's why the Friday/Saturday numbers are so good always

Read that Edinburgh numbers might not include GP numbers for the over 80s in the PHS reports. No idea if that's true, still true, or not, but may explain the low figures.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/ed ... s-19727978