The Brexit Thread

[Insane_Homer]

A decent chunk of Dover's cliff makes a dash for Europe.

[Biffer]

A decent chunk of Dover's cliff makes a dash for Europe.

The Union is falling apart.

[Rinkals]

The smile of a man who knows it is all going to plan.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... nce-brexit

Brexit going brilliantly, I believe, Project Fear shown for the paper tiger it was.

[Insane_Homer]

[Insane_Homer]

[Rinkals]

We were telling Bimbo about the likelihood of this happening four or five years ago.

But no. Project Fear. The sky hasn't fallen in...

[Insane_Homer]

Aaron Banks and Leave.EU appeal dismissed over £120,000 fine imposed by IC in 2019.

The fines follow an Information Commissioner investigation into the misuse of personal data by political campaigns.

The report says more than a million emails sent to Leave.EU subscribers contained marketing for the Eldon Insurance firm's GoSkippy services. Eldon Insurance has been fined £60,000 for the breach.

In addition to the £45,000 fine for that breach, Leave.EU was also fined £15,000 for "using Eldon Insurance customers' details unlawfully to send almost 300,000 political marketing messages".

[I like neeps]

Good article on the NI protocol from Rishi Sunak's best man James Forsyth:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the ... ssion=true

Seems the chickens are all coming home to roost.

[Insane_Homer]

Good article on the NI protocol from Rishi Sunak's best man James Forsyth:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the ... ssion=true

Seems the chickens are all coming home to roost.

‘regret’ that Article 16 of the Northern Ireland border protocol was triggered by the European Commission in a Friday night fit of pique at the end of last month.

The EU triggered A16? I thought they threated it and then quickly thought better of it and did a quick U-turn that Boris' would've been proud of.

Meanwhile, Arylene, who described the EU doing it as an 'act of hostility' and Boris (twice) have both also threatened to invoke A16 and the DUP had a petition that garnered 100k signatures from "people from all backgrounds across UK" calling for it

[robmatic]

Good article on the NI protocol from Rishi Sunak's best man James Forsyth:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the ... ssion=true

Seems the chickens are all coming home to roost.

Turns out that if you ignore a problem it doesn't just eventually go away.

[fishfoodie]

Good article on the NI protocol from Rishi Sunak's best man James Forsyth:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the ... ssion=true

Seems the chickens are all coming home to roost.

‘regret’ that Article 16 of the Northern Ireland border protocol was triggered by the European Commission in a Friday night fit of pique at the end of last month.

The EU triggered A16? I thought they threated it and then quickly thought better of it and did a quick U-turn that Boris' would've been proud of.

Meanwhile, Arylene, who described the EU doing it as an 'act of hostility' and Boris (twice) have both also threatened to invoke A16 and the DUP had a petition that garnered 100k signatures from "people from all backgrounds across UK" calling for it

The UK isn't going to trigger a trade war with the EU; just to make a few Unionists feel better.

I'm sure the ERG & ferret face will feign concern for the terrible plight they face; of not being able to order roses from England; (but being able to order them the Republic); so now the bumblecunt will get to enjoy the ERG, the way his predecessors did.

Businesses in NI will just have to change their supply chains. It'll take time, & if the deal had been done in the original time frame, & with the longer transition period; then this would have given businesses the time they needed to adjust. Instead they got the rabbit out of a hat deal, on Christmas Eve; & zero time to prepare. The Tories voted against extending the transition; they can own it.

[Sandstorm]

Surely time for NI to leave the Union and join their bros down South. For the good of the rose business.

[fishfoodie]

Surely time for NI to leave the Union and join their bros down South. For the good of the rose business.

I believe the phrase is ... fuck off we're full

[robmatic]

We were telling Bimbo about the likelihood of this happening four or five years ago.

But no. Project Fear. The sky hasn't fallen in...

I doubt Brexit voters in the north of England will lose much sleep over this though.

[Biffer]

The UK isn't going to trigger a trade war with the EU; just to make a few Unionists feel better.

Whether they like it or not, the unionists and brexit campaigners have already done this.

[Sandstorm]

We were telling Bimbo about the likelihood of this happening four or five years ago.

But no. Project Fear. The sky hasn't fallen in...

I doubt Brexit voters in the north of England will lose much sleep over this though.

When they ask Westminster for another handout and we see tax takings are down 20%....they'll care then!

[robmatic]

We were telling Bimbo about the likelihood of this happening four or five years ago.

But no. Project Fear. The sky hasn't fallen in...

I doubt Brexit voters in the north of England will lose much sleep over this though.

When they ask Westminster for another handout and we see tax takings are down 20%....they'll care then!

I don't disagree that tax takings are going to take a beating but it's not like the North was seeing tangible benefits from London's economic success prior to Brexit. No doubt they'll get lumbered with austerity again, like the last time things went tits up in the City.

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... =DM1335627

EU poised to lock Britain out of its banking market, Andrew Bailey warns

Bank of England Governor warns that millions of households could face higher finance costs

The Governor of the Bank of England has warned that the European Union is poised to lock Britain out of its banking market, in a move that would push up financial costs for millions of consumers on both sides of the Channel....

The Brexit deal might have been done, but it doesn’t cover a rather significant part of the UK’s economy: the financial sector. How the City will be treated by Brussels is yet to be decided, and last night Andrew Bailey, the Governor of the Bank of England, responding to a question from The Telegraph, warned that the EU was preparing to cut Britain off

Since when? telegraph selling lies.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rexit-deal

Rishi Sunak has offered financial services firms the prospect of closer access to EU markets than outlined in the Brexit trade deal, after Boris Johnson conceded that this aspect of the agreement fell short of UK hopes.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... l-services

Boris Johnson has conceded that the Brexit trade deal “perhaps does not go as far as we would like” over access to EU markets for financial services, while insisting he had achieved an accord his critics said would be impossible.

In an interview with the Sunday Telegraph, the prime minister said he had defied accusations of “cake-ism” – seeking the impossible – in getting a trade deal that allowed divergence from EU standards.

[Insane_Homer]

...and where are our 'free' ports?

[dpedin]

...and where are our 'free' ports?

Feck off - I want my £350m a week for the NHS first! - I reckon I'm due £2.1b for the year to date so far ... cheque in the post?

[fishfoodie]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... =DM1335627

EU poised to lock Britain out of its banking market, Andrew Bailey warns

Bank of England Governor warns that millions of households could face higher finance costs

The Governor of the Bank of England has warned that the European Union is poised to lock Britain out of its banking market, in a move that would push up financial costs for millions of consumers on both sides of the Channel....

The Brexit deal might have been done, but it doesn’t cover a rather significant part of the UK’s economy: the financial sector. How the City will be treated by Brussels is yet to be decided, and last night Andrew Bailey, the Governor of the Bank of England, responding to a question from The Telegraph, warned that the EU was preparing to cut Britain off

Since when? telegraph selling lies.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rexit-deal

Rishi Sunak has offered financial services firms the prospect of closer access to EU markets than outlined in the Brexit trade deal, after Boris Johnson conceded that this aspect of the agreement fell short of UK hopes.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... l-services

Boris Johnson has conceded that the Brexit trade deal “perhaps does not go as far as we would like” over access to EU markets for financial services, while insisting he had achieved an accord his critics said would be impossible.

In an interview with the Sunday Telegraph, the prime minister said he had defied accusations of “cake-ism” – seeking the impossible – in getting a trade deal that allowed divergence from EU standards.

The bumblecunt will continue to promise the moon; as the UK & EU are still negotiating over services access for the UK.

The talks are scheduled to go to Mid-Year, but there's no sign of any progress, & the leaks from the EU side are, that there isn't likely to be any deal.

I don't think the ongoing friction in other areas are helping matters.

[Openside]

...and where are our 'free' ports?

Feck off - I want my £350m a week for the NHS first! - I reckon I'm due £2.1b for the year to date so far ... cheque in the post?

350m per week was never promised to the NHS

[tc27]

UK EUphiles are a weird bunch in terms of what they talk about

I mean you lot rubbing yourselves raw over loss of share trading that's apparently worth less than 5 million PA in tax revenue (literally sofa change in government terms)

Personally I would go on the unraveling NI protocol or £300 veterinary certificate needed to export fresh food into Europe but that's just me.

[dpedin]

...and where are our 'free' ports?

Feck off - I want my £350m a week for the NHS first! - I reckon I'm due £2.1b for the year to date so far ... cheque in the post?

350m per week was never promised to the NHS

Big red bus said so!

[Sandstorm]

[Insane_Homer]

[Insane_Homer]

350m per week was never promised to the NHS

So what happens if we get a big red bus with "Openside is a Homophobe" emblazoned across it and then drive it around the country in it?

[SaintK]

...and where are our 'free' ports?

Feck off - I want my £350m a week for the NHS first! - I reckon I'm due £2.1b for the year to date so far ... cheque in the post?

350m per week was never promised to the NHS

[Paddington Bear]

UK EUphiles are a weird bunch in terms of what they talk about

I mean you lot rubbing yourselves raw over loss of share trading that's apparently worth less than 5 million PA in tax revenue (literally sofa change in government terms)

Personally I would go on the unraveling NI protocol or £300 veterinary certificate needed to export fresh food into Europe but that's just me.

There's a lot weird (of course not limited to Europhiles). The glee of anything resembling a job cut I find particularly bizarre. Still, weird times so we're all a little on edge.

[Rinkals]

UK EUphiles are a weird bunch in terms of what they talk about

I mean you lot rubbing yourselves raw over loss of share trading that's apparently worth less than 5 million PA in tax revenue (literally sofa change in government terms)

Personally I would go on the unraveling NI protocol or £300 veterinary certificate needed to export fresh food into Europe but that's just me.

There's a lot weird (of course not limited to Europhiles). The glee of anything resembling a job cut I find particularly bizarre. Still, weird times so we're all a little on edge.

Please explain why you think it's "glee"?

As far as I can see there is a lot of genuine worry about the potential for economic hardship, particularly now when the pandemic has exacerbated the situation.

All this was foretold (not the pandemic, obviously) five years ago, but was dismissed as "Project Fear".

The Big Red 320 million quid bus was presented as huge benefit to be gained from leaving the EU, the notion that the UK was too important for the EU not to concede on all their demands and the fact that the 'sky didn't fall in' on day one.

I think there is certainly a measure of justified vindication, but to characterise it as 'glee' speaks to a mentality of victimhood.

[Openside]

Feck off - I want my £350m a week for the NHS first! - I reckon I'm due £2.1b for the year to date so far ... cheque in the post?

350m per week was never promised to the NHS

Big red bus said so!

No it didnt read the side of the bus again!!

[Openside]

You clearly have comprehension issues, those are two separate statements, there is no commitment to spend the 350M a week on the NHS.

[Sandstorm]

You clearly have comprehension issues, those are two separate statements, there is no commitment to spend the 350M a week on the NHS.

“instead”

[ASMO]

You clearly have comprehension issues, those are two separate statements, there is no commitment to spend the 350M a week on the NHS.

Really? you think the intent was not to infer that the 350 million saved would not be spent on the NHS? If that was true, why even mention the NHS? It is as clear a deceiption as there can be.

And if you still hold that line, here are some facts

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 03646.html

Nearly half of the British public still believe the false claim from the Brexit referendum that the UK sends £350m a week to the EU, despite persistent attempts to debunk the myth.

A new study by King’s College London of attitudes to Brexit found that 42 per cent of people who had heard of the claim still believe it is true, while just 36 per cent thought it was false and 22 per cent were unsure.

The research, conducted with the help of pollster Ipsos MORI, shows that sustained criticism of the false claim by the UK Statistics Authority and others has had little effect, with perceptions mostly unchanged since before the referendum.

So go on tell me they were not trying to be disingenuous with that claim?

[dpedin]

You clearly have comprehension issues, those are two separate statements, there is no commitment to spend the 350M a week on the NHS.

Ha ha ha ha ... someone take his spade away before the hole gets too deep!

[sockwithaticket]

In OS's defence, the side of the bus doesn't explicitly say that specific amount should go to the NHS.

However, putting the two statements together like that is deliberate and intended to imply that the same amount being sent to the EU will be put into the NHS. It's a conscious misrepresentation.

[Insane_Homer]

You clearly have comprehension issues, those are two separate statements, there is no commitment to spend the 350M a week on the NHS.

In OS's defence, the side of the bus doesn't explicitly say that specific amount should go to the NHS.

However, putting the two statements together like that is deliberate and intended to imply that the same amount being sent to the EU will be put into the NHS. It's a conscious misrepresentation.

the "let's" is lower case L, so it's a continuation of the sentence. That's not a mistake an Eton educated journo makes by accident.

Anyone with a basic understanding of grammar and comprehension knows that!

[Insane_Homer]

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[Insane_Homer]

there is no commitment to spend the 350M a week on the NHS.

ORLY?


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -manifesto

Boris Johnson has suggested Theresa May promised to give the NHS an extra £350m a week at the launch of the Conservative party manifesto, when neither she nor the document made any such promise.

[fishfoodie]