Stop voting for fucking Tories

[salanya]

The pandemic has obviously tanked the economy, and many people have lost their jobs or businesses.

But to give nurses a pay increase lower than inflation rates is not recognising the year's worth of awful conditions they've worked through. There's been very little let up, they've all had to be flexible and most would have worked more hours, with an obvious risk to their own health, and that for pretty much 12 continuous months (and counting).

Another note worth reminding: we're not talking about GPs or surgeons on £100k annual salaries (or whatever they get, but it will be well over £50k). These are the nurses on £20k-£30k. It's not easy to thrive on such wages, especially if you live in more expensive counties, or are raising a family (possibly even by yourself).

But the final hammer blow is the government's cronyism and awful/illegal contract management. Giving many millions for bad PPE, to friends' businesses, to a totally useless Track and Trace system which just got many more millions etc.
The cherry on top is Boris' redecorations in 10 Downing Street: £200k and counting on furnishings - you could buy a house for that. And now we learn £2.6 million+ is spent on a press chamber at 9 Downing Street, because Boris wants to emulate Trump.

The economy is suffering, and we can't dish out 10%+ pay rises to nurses. But to go on about celebrating and worshipping the NHS for a year, but then capping any increase at 1% is a big old kick in the teeth. No matter how much clapping they've done, or how many silly flags they put in their studies to be a background in interviews.

Inflation is 0.9 % currently

Wow, how did I get it so wrong?! Mea Culpa.
Not sure what these nurses are whinging on about then: they'll have at least an extra 10p per week on that pay rise.

[Openside]

The pandemic has obviously tanked the economy, and many people have lost their jobs or businesses.

But to give nurses a pay increase lower than inflation rates is not recognising the year's worth of awful conditions they've worked through. There's been very little let up, they've all had to be flexible and most would have worked more hours, with an obvious risk to their own health, and that for pretty much 12 continuous months (and counting).

Another note worth reminding: we're not talking about GPs or surgeons on £100k annual salaries (or whatever they get, but it will be well over £50k). These are the nurses on £20k-£30k. It's not easy to thrive on such wages, especially if you live in more expensive counties, or are raising a family (possibly even by yourself).

But the final hammer blow is the government's cronyism and awful/illegal contract management. Giving many millions for bad PPE, to friends' businesses, to a totally useless Track and Trace system which just got many more millions etc.
The cherry on top is Boris' redecorations in 10 Downing Street: £200k and counting on furnishings - you could buy a house for that. And now we learn £2.6 million+ is spent on a press chamber at 9 Downing Street, because Boris wants to emulate Trump.

The economy is suffering, and we can't dish out 10%+ pay rises to nurses. But to go on about celebrating and worshipping the NHS for a year, but then capping any increase at 1% is a big old kick in the teeth. No matter how much clapping they've done, or how many silly flags they put in their studies to be a background in interviews.

Inflation is 0.9 % currently

Wow, how did I get it so wrong?! Mea Culpa.
Not sure what these nurses are whinging on about then: they'll have at least an extra 10p per week on that pay rise.

Look I am not saying that 1% is great but it is more than great swathes of the working population(that provide their wages)They have jobs and a guaranteed wage. In the current climate that is a lot to be grateful for. Millions out of work would take that now...

[SaintK]

The pandemic has obviously tanked the economy, and many people have lost their jobs or businesses.

But to give nurses a pay increase lower than inflation rates is not recognising the year's worth of awful conditions they've worked through. There's been very little let up, they've all had to be flexible and most would have worked more hours, with an obvious risk to their own health, and that for pretty much 12 continuous months (and counting).

Another note worth reminding: we're not talking about GPs or surgeons on £100k annual salaries (or whatever they get, but it will be well over £50k). These are the nurses on £20k-£30k. It's not easy to thrive on such wages, especially if you live in more expensive counties, or are raising a family (possibly even by yourself).

But the final hammer blow is the government's cronyism and awful/illegal contract management. Giving many millions for bad PPE, to friends' businesses, to a totally useless Track and Trace system which just got many more millions etc.
The cherry on top is Boris' redecorations in 10 Downing Street: £200k and counting on furnishings - you could buy a house for that. And now we learn £2.6 million+ is spent on a press chamber at 9 Downing Street, because Boris wants to emulate Trump.

The economy is suffering, and we can't dish out 10%+ pay rises to nurses. But to go on about celebrating and worshipping the NHS for a year, but then capping any increase at 1% is a big old kick in the teeth. No matter how much clapping they've done, or how many silly flags they put in their studies to be a background in interviews.

Inflation is 0.9 % currently

...and as you are so on top of these things you know the inflation forecast for this year is 2.4% rising to 2.7%
So no pay increase at all then

[salanya]

Openside: nobody is saying that they should get a £5k pay increase, everybody knows times are hard. There's obviously a balance to be struck between the economical impact and a recognition of the hard and vital work done by nurses.

But your 'they should be grateful for having a job' quote shows you to be horribly out of touch. When the MPs get a 2% pay increase I'm sure you'll be the first to say that MP jobs are really hard and it is fully warranted.

[SaintK]

Johnson has always struck me as someone who spends money as fast, or faster than he could get his hands on it. The type of trust fund child who is forever asking for more cash because the £100k the trustees gave him last month to renovate his property has been spent on something else, with very little to show for it.

Daily Mail getting their teeth into it. Peerages and favours all round for those who fund it?

Spoiler

Show

Boris Johnson is secretly trying to set up a charity to help pay for a costly makeover of his official flat by his fiancée, it has been claimed.
The scheme is based on one used by the White House to raise millions of dollars for interior design, antiques and art.
The presidential charity is bankrolled by private donors – and the proposed Downing Street version is expected to be funded largely by wealthy Tory benefactors ...
Mr Johnson first expressed concern at the rising cost early last year. He is said to have commented there was ‘no way’ he could pay for it after being informed by the Cabinet Office that the maximum taxpayer contribution was ‘around £30,000’.

[media] [/media]

The Mail not letting this one go yet

The paper says it has been told that Tory party funds met a large part of the reported £200,000 redecoration bill - before officials, in the Mail's words, "tried to hide the truth".
It says one or more wealthy donors are thought to have paid an equivalent sum to the Conservatives "apparently in the hope that the party's involvement in the affair would stay hidden", and the Tories now plan to declare the contribution to the Electoral Commission "in an attempt to quell the furore".

It's so nice to have wealthy donors as close friends!

The Daily Mail reports that the couple (and their young son) have had around 30 giant boxes of shopping and up to 100 prepared meals from Daylesford ‘smuggled in’ via the rear entrance. Daylesford Organic is owned by Lady Bamford, wife of the JCB construction tycoon, Lord Bamford, a generous Tory Donor. According to the Commons Register of Interests, Lord Bamford and his JCB firm donated £160,000 to the Conservatives in 2019.
A box of weekly shopping from Daylesford is delivered to Downing Street on Tuesdays with a bouquet of fresh flowers. In addition, pre-prepared meals are dropped off at lunchtime on weekdays by the same delivery man prepared by the PM’s ‘personal chef’. Given that Bamford and Mr Johnson are clearly close, it seems like an extremely friendly gesture – and not out of the ordinary – for one to extend the offer of help (in the form of catering) to a family with a new son and who are simultaneously trying to run the country. Although, a Daylesford hamper certainly topples a frozen food delivery even from some of the finest like COOK or Charlie Bigham. The Daily Mail reports that the hampers costs around £250 each, including delivery, worth a total of around £7,500 since the deliveries started nearly a year ago.

[Muttonbird]

Inflation is 0.9 % currently

Wow, how did I get it so wrong?! Mea Culpa.
Not sure what these nurses are whinging on about then: they'll have at least an extra 10p per week on that pay rise.

Look I am not saying that 1% is great but it is more than great swathes of the working population(that provide their wages)They have jobs and a guaranteed wage. In the current climate that is a lot to be grateful for. Millions out of work would take that now...

Should have stayed at home then. It's a pandemic.

[SaintK]

Wow, how did I get it so wrong?! Mea Culpa.
Not sure what these nurses are whinging on about then: they'll have at least an extra 10p per week on that pay rise.

Look I am not saying that 1% is great but it is more than great swathes of the working population(that provide their wages)They have jobs and a guaranteed wage. In the current climate that is a lot to be grateful for. Millions out of work would take that now...

Should have stayed at home then. It's a pandemic.

Thanks for your valuable and insightful comment....................twat!

[Muttonbird]

Well seriously, you're trying to convince OS of the worth of nursing staff.

With proper leadership, both health and economic outcomes in Britain would have been vastly better and hospital workers might have got the recognition they deserve, rather than more excuses.

[I like neeps]

Openside: nobody is saying that they should get a £5k pay increase, everybody knows times are hard. There's obviously a balance to be struck between the economical impact and a recognition of the hard and vital work done by nurses.

But your 'they should be grateful for having a job' quote shows you to be horribly out of touch. When the MPs get a 2% pay increase I'm sure you'll be the first to say that MP jobs are really hard and it is fully warranted.

If nurses strike the healthcare system collapses and GDP would take a hit so market forces should dictate a pay rise really. It's simple capitalism as I'm sure OS will agree.

Also we have crazy vacancy rates for nurses perhaps paying them more helps reduce that. If in the private sector a role can't be filled the salary is increased (or immigrants are brought in). Since we removed the immigrant potential we should bring some good old private sector efficiently to the public sector and increase salaries.

[Openside]

Openside: nobody is saying that they should get a £5k pay increase, everybody knows times are hard. There's obviously a balance to be struck between the economical impact and a recognition of the hard and vital work done by nurses.

But your 'they should be grateful for having a job' quote shows you to be horribly out of touch. When the MPs get a 2% pay increase I'm sure you'll be the first to say that MP jobs are really hard and it is fully warranted.

Well you would be very wrong then, I am sure there are some honest diligent hard working MPs but I suspect you could get them all in a disabled loo. Charlatans the lot of them...

[SaintK]

And yet another exorbitant blonde slug vanity project costing us £millions

Downing Street has spent more than £2.6m on renovations to hold White House-style press briefings – prompting a call for Boris Johnson to “hang his head in shame” given the 1% pay rise recommended for NHS staff.
The cost of the refurbishments for televised question and answer sessions with journalists at No 9 Downing Street will add to pressure facing the prime minister over the funding of a separate revamp to his official residence.
It was revealed on Friday that the renovation costs have totalled £2,607,767, largely excluding VAT, following a freedom of information request from the Press Association.

[Hal Jordan]

Ah yes, the Bamfords. I'm sure the Tories hard on for the hydrogen economy boondoggle has nothing whatsoever to do with Lord Bamford's obsession with it, nor his son running a company that makes hydrogen powered buses. Nothing. Whatsoever.

[JM2K6]

Because the conditions of their job haven't changed at all..

Both my sister and Niece are nurses and neither of them think in the circumstances they should be getting a pay rise. I think you just take a contrary position for the sake of it or virtue signalling god knows.? We have 400 billion hole to fill and millions to reemploy before we need to throw even more money at the NHS. Lots of people’s working conditions changed the nurses aren’t a unique case.

Virtue signaling for pointing out that nurses have seen a sea change in their jobs, a huge increase in hours, lack of vital equipment, a large jump in the danger levels, and a major lack of support?

You really are a total bellend. Borderline sociopath.

[PlanetGlyndwr]

we got bigger tory fantatics than bimbot on here

[Biffer]

Inflation is 0.9 % currently

Wow, how did I get it so wrong?! Mea Culpa.
Not sure what these nurses are whinging on about then: they'll have at least an extra 10p per week on that pay rise.

Look I am not saying that 1% is great but it is more than great swathes of the working population(that provide their wages)They have jobs and a guaranteed wage. In the current climate that is a lot to be grateful for. Millions out of work would take that now...

No, what you’re saying is you’d suck Boris’s cock if he told you to because you’re so blinkered.

[Ymx]

And the hatred is not blinkered?

You’ve just accused him of fellatio because he doesn’t subscribe to your outrage and hatred, which also equates to being a fanatic.

Check the mirror chaps.

[Openside]

Because the conditions of their job haven't changed at all..

Both my sister and Niece are nurses and neither of them think in the circumstances they should be getting a pay rise. I think you just take a contrary position for the sake of it or virtue signalling god knows.? We have 400 billion hole to fill and millions to reemploy before we need to throw even more money at the NHS. Lots of people’s working conditions changed the nurses aren’t a unique case.

Virtue signaling for pointing out that nurses have seen a sea change in their jobs, a huge increase in hours, lack of vital equipment, a large jump in the danger levels, and a major lack of support?

You really are a total bellend. Borderline sociopath.

The UK has about 165K NHS hospital beds before you even factor in the nightingale or private hospitals at the absolute peak which was pretty pronounced we had less than 40K of people in hospital with Covid so not anywhere near capacity and since most routine operations got cancelled there were quite a few staff not doing their normal jobs and able to help out. I agree some have been worked off their feet. Its not an ideal world...
but in response to your insult

You are always hopping on some 'right on band' wagon you boring slug.

[Openside]

And the hatred is not blinkered?

You’ve just accused him of fellatio because he doesn’t subscribe to your outrage and hatred, which also equates to being a fanatic.

Check the mirror chaps.

Its bizarre it really is, that are so consumed with envy and bitterness they don't even realise they are the cancer...

[Paddington Bear]

OS may actually know this - squaddies get extra pay for being deployed to war zones right? Not opposed to some sort of time and a half bonus equivalent for nurses for the last year. 12% pay rise when most of us are seeing freezes/cuts seems ambitious, to put it mildly.

[PCPhil]

we got bigger tory fantatics than bimbot on here

“Don’t say his name”

[Openside]

OS may actually know this - squaddies get extra pay for being deployed to war zones right? Not opposed to some sort of time and a half bonus equivalent for nurses for the last year. 12% pay rise when most of us are seeing freezes/cuts seems ambitious, to put it mildly.

Can’t remember, you definitely get a supplement for being overseas not sure there is war zone pay ( I was never in one )

[Sandstorm]

OS may actually know this - squaddies get extra pay for being deployed to war zones right? Not opposed to some sort of time and a half bonus equivalent for nurses for the last year. 12% pay rise when most of us are seeing freezes/cuts seems ambitious, to put it mildly.

They always start high and settle lower. But not 1% low. That’s a political hand grenade that someone shrewd like Dominic Cummings would never have allowed to be announced.

[JM2K6]

Both my sister and Niece are nurses and neither of them think in the circumstances they should be getting a pay rise. I think you just take a contrary position for the sake of it or virtue signalling god knows.? We have 400 billion hole to fill and millions to reemploy before we need to throw even more money at the NHS. Lots of people’s working conditions changed the nurses aren’t a unique case.

Virtue signaling for pointing out that nurses have seen a sea change in their jobs, a huge increase in hours, lack of vital equipment, a large jump in the danger levels, and a major lack of support?

You really are a total bellend. Borderline sociopath.

The UK has about 165K NHS hospital beds before you even factor in the nightingale or private hospitals at the absolute peak which was pretty pronounced we had less than 40K of people in hospital with Covid so not anywhere near capacity and since most routine operations got cancelled there were quite a few staff not doing their normal jobs and able to help out. I agree some have been worked off their feet. Its not an ideal world...
but in response to your insult

You are always hopping on some 'right on band' wagon you boring slug.

You are genuinely off your rocker with this one. It's not "right on" to point out that people in the NHS have had an unprecedented shift in their work, during this, a fucking year-long global pandemic where we've suffered some of the worst consequences on the entire planet.

If you believe the NHS wasn't straining at the seams and people working for it weren't struggling with huge demand, pressure, and a lack of care & support then you need to stop getting your news from Facebook .

You are the biggest proponent of "fuck you, got mine" on here. No wonder you're a diehard Tory. The party suits you right down to the ground. Not a shred of empathy, proud of your own ignorance, and consider anything beyond the end of your own nose that doesn't directly benefit you to be "virtue signalling".

[Ymx]

we got bigger tory fantatics than bimbot on here

“Don’t say his name”

3 times?

[Openside]

Virtue signaling for pointing out that nurses have seen a sea change in their jobs, a huge increase in hours, lack of vital equipment, a large jump in the danger levels, and a major lack of support?

You really are a total bellend. Borderline sociopath.

The UK has about 165K NHS hospital beds before you even factor in the nightingale or private hospitals at the absolute peak which was pretty pronounced we had less than 40K of people in hospital with Covid so not anywhere near capacity and since most routine operations got cancelled there were quite a few staff not doing their normal jobs and able to help out. I agree some have been worked off their feet. Its not an ideal world...
but in response to your insult

You are always hopping on some 'right on band' wagon you boring slug.

You are genuinely off your rocker with this one. It's not "right on" to point out that people in the NHS have had an unprecedented shift in their work, during this, a fucking year-long global pandemic where we've suffered some of the worst consequences on the entire planet.

If you believe the NHS wasn't straining at the seams and people working for it weren't struggling with huge demand, pressure, and a lack of care & support then you need to stop getting your news from Facebook .

You are the biggest proponent of "fuck you, got mine" on here. No wonder you're a diehard Tory. The party suits you right down to the ground. Not a shred of empathy, proud of your own ignorance, and consider anything beyond the end of your own nose that doesn't directly benefit you to be "virtue signalling".

Blah Blah Blah dullard

[Insane_Homer]

The UK has about 165K NHS hospital beds before you even factor in the nightingale or private hospitals at the absolute peak which was pretty pronounced we had less than 40K of people in hospital with Covid so not anywhere near capacity and since most routine operations got cancelled there were quite a few staff not doing their normal jobs and able to help out. I agree some have been worked off their feet. Its not an ideal world...
but in response to your insult

Exhibit A: This bottle holds 1.5 Litres of Coke. Here is an extra can of Coke that can easy go into that bottle, if it were empty and not already 90% full

So based on that, they don't need water, here's some clapping instead!

Most definitely Blah Blah

[Openside]

The UK has about 165K NHS hospital beds before you even factor in the nightingale or private hospitals at the absolute peak which was pretty pronounced we had less than 40K of people in hospital with Covid so not anywhere near capacity and since most routine operations got cancelled there were quite a few staff not doing their normal jobs and able to help out. I agree some have been worked off their feet. Its not an ideal world...
but in response to your insult

Exhibit A: This bottle holds 1.5 Litres of Coke. Here is an extra can of Coke that can easy go into that bottle, if it were empty and not already 90% full

So based on that, they don't need water, here's some clapping instead!

Most definitely Blah Blah

Which would have made perfect sense had hospitals not been emptied of all the people normally recovering from operations. Etc. Nice try.

[Insane_Homer]

Which would have made perfect sense had hospitals not been emptied of all the people normally recovering from operations. Etc. Nice try.

How many was that?

But it does make perfect sense that hospital bed availability is linked to NHS pay.

[Tichtheid]

When the UK compensated slave owners for abolition around the middle of the 19th century we borrowed 5% of GDP to do it, and it took until a few years ago to pay it back.

In today’s money that is around a hundred billion pounds, if I have done my sums correctly.

NHS England’s budget for this year is around the £130Bn mark.

Are we sure we can find only afford an extra three hundred quid a year for nurses?

[Blackmac]

Because the conditions of their job haven't changed at all..

Both my sister and Niece are nurses and neither of them think in the circumstances they should be getting a pay rise. I think you just take a contrary position for the sake of it or virtue signalling god knows.? We have 400 billion hole to fill and millions to reemploy before we need to throw even more money at the NHS. Lots of people’s working conditions changed the nurses aren’t a unique case.

Virtue signaling for pointing out that nurses have seen a sea change in their jobs, a huge increase in hours, lack of vital equipment, a large jump in the danger levels, and a major lack of support?

You really are a total bellend. Borderline sociopath.

What gave it away, the "we pay their wages" comment?

[Tichtheid]

I saw a pundit on tv saying we “borrowed” 97% of covid spending from the Bank of England.

There aren’t going to be bailiffs knocking on the door and taking the telly away to cover the debt anytime soon,

[Blackmac]

Because the conditions of their job haven't changed at all..

Both my sister and Niece are nurses and neither of them think in the circumstances they should be getting a pay rise. I think you just take a contrary position for the sake of it or virtue signalling god knows.? We have 400 billion hole to fill and millions to reemploy before we need to throw even more money at the NHS. Lots of people’s working conditions changed the nurses aren’t a unique case.

Well I would suggest that neither of them have stepped anywhere near a Covid ward.

My wife has worked throughout the pandemic in various critical care wards and i would say that it has had a pretty much life changing effect on her in relation to her physical and mental health.

In the police we used to have a saying, especially as detectives, that you don't get paid for what you do but for what you might have to do, essentially suggesting that dealing with career defiining, incredibly dangerous and challenging incidents was part and parcel of the role and we shouldn't expect any extra recognition..

The pandemic was over and above anything like that for many nurses and doctors, not just impacting them but also their families to an incredible extent.

As others have suggested, nursing pay is outrageously low as it is, given the training, qualifications and responsibility they carry. so to suggest that dealing with the pandemic was just part and parcel of the job is moronic.

Sadly the Tory government, backed by out of touch, braying imbeciles like yourself, will see nursing absolutely collapse as a profession and then wonder how that happened.

[Openside]

Both my sister and Niece are nurses and neither of them think in the circumstances they should be getting a pay rise. I think you just take a contrary position for the sake of it or virtue signalling god knows.? We have 400 billion hole to fill and millions to reemploy before we need to throw even more money at the NHS. Lots of people’s working conditions changed the nurses aren’t a unique case.

Virtue signaling for pointing out that nurses have seen a sea change in their jobs, a huge increase in hours, lack of vital equipment, a large jump in the danger levels, and a major lack of support?

You really are a total bellend. Borderline sociopath.

What gave it away, the "we pay their wages" comment?

Oh please, I am aware that Public sector money is taxed but is has to come from somewhere and that ultimately is the private sector. I have also been a Public sector employee so I have seen both sides.

[Biffer]

Virtue signaling for pointing out that nurses have seen a sea change in their jobs, a huge increase in hours, lack of vital equipment, a large jump in the danger levels, and a major lack of support?

You really are a total bellend. Borderline sociopath.

What gave it away, the "we pay their wages" comment?

Oh please, I am aware that Public sector money is taxed but is has to come from somewhere and that ultimately is the private sector. I have also been a Public sector employee so I have seen both sides.

So, there we have a complete admission that you’ve got no idea how public sector borrowing works. Well done.

[Blackmac]

Virtue signaling for pointing out that nurses have seen a sea change in their jobs, a huge increase in hours, lack of vital equipment, a large jump in the danger levels, and a major lack of support?

You really are a total bellend. Borderline sociopath.

What gave it away, the "we pay their wages" comment?

Oh please, I am aware that Public sector money is taxed but is has to come from somewhere and that ultimately is the private sector. I have also been a Public sector employee so I have seen both sides.

It is the ultimate tell about your current mindset though. It's been the comment of choice to belittle public sector workers since Pontius was a pilot.

[Openside]

Because the conditions of their job haven't changed at all..

Both my sister and Niece are nurses and neither of them think in the circumstances they should be getting a pay rise. I think you just take a contrary position for the sake of it or virtue signalling god knows.? We have 400 billion hole to fill and millions to reemploy before we need to throw even more money at the NHS. Lots of people’s working conditions changed the nurses aren’t a unique case.

Well I would suggest that neither of them have stepped anywhere near a Covid ward.

My wife has worked throughout the pandemic in various critical care wards and i would say that it has had a pretty much life changing effect on her in relation to her physical and mental health.

In the police we used to have a saying, especially as detectives, that you don't get paid for what you do but for what you might have to do, essentially suggesting that dealing with career defiining, incredibly dangerous and challenging incidents was part and parcel of the role and we shouldn't expect any extra recognition..

The pandemic was over and above anything like that for many nurses and doctors, not just impacting them but also their families to an incredible extent.

As others have suggested, nursing pay is outrageously low as it is, given the training, qualifications and responsibility they carry. so to suggest that dealing with the pandemic was just part and parcel of the job is moronic.

Sadly the Tory government, backed by out of touch, braying imbeciles like yourself, will see nursing absolutely collapse as a profession and then wonder how that happened.

Oh sorry I thought you were serious but actually you are just another 'its all the governments fault' whinger. What is making nursing collapse is that they have reinvented nursing as a degree course, turning off half the suitable candidates that would make great nurses. Nurses are now mini doctors doling out drugs etc. concentrating on the academic side of nursing rather than the caring side.

[Openside]

What gave it away, the "we pay their wages" comment?

Oh please, I am aware that Public sector money is taxed but is has to come from somewhere and that ultimately is the private sector. I have also been a Public sector employee so I have seen both sides.

It is the ultimate tell about your current mindset though. It's been the comment of choice to belittle public sector workers since Pontius was a pilot.

I don't mean it as a belittling statement it is a fact. I was one myself!!

[Tichtheid]

I’ve never worked in the public sector, but I was educated in it, I have been healed by it. I drive on roads and over bridges built by it, I’m kept safe by it both by police and military. The public sector ensures my food is safe to eat, that the beaches are clean, that the water can be drunk etc etc

Public sector employees are consumers too, so not only do they keep the private sector running, they buy the widgets made in the private sector.

There is a mutual dependence between the public and private sectors.

[Blackmac]

Both my sister and Niece are nurses and neither of them think in the circumstances they should be getting a pay rise. I think you just take a contrary position for the sake of it or virtue signalling god knows.? We have 400 billion hole to fill and millions to reemploy before we need to throw even more money at the NHS. Lots of people’s working conditions changed the nurses aren’t a unique case.

Well I would suggest that neither of them have stepped anywhere near a Covid ward.

My wife has worked throughout the pandemic in various critical care wards and i would say that it has had a pretty much life changing effect on her in relation to her physical and mental health.

In the police we used to have a saying, especially as detectives, that you don't get paid for what you do but for what you might have to do, essentially suggesting that dealing with career defiining, incredibly dangerous and challenging incidents was part and parcel of the role and we shouldn't expect any extra recognition..

The pandemic was over and above anything like that for many nurses and doctors, not just impacting them but also their families to an incredible extent.

As others have suggested, nursing pay is outrageously low as it is, given the training, qualifications and responsibility they carry. so to suggest that dealing with the pandemic was just part and parcel of the job is moronic.

Sadly the Tory government, backed by out of touch, braying imbeciles like yourself, will see nursing absolutely collapse as a profession and then wonder how that happened.

Oh sorry I thought you were serious but actually you are just another 'its all the governments fault' whinger. What is making nursing collapse is that they have reinvented nursing as a degree course, turning off half the suitable candidates that would make great nurses. Nurses are now mini doctors doling out drugs etc. concentrating on the academic side of nursing rather than the caring side.

You can't be thick enough to not realise there was a reason behind that, they didn't just do it for fun, it's an absolute necessity in the current system. So even with all this extra training and responsibility you know so much about, you still don't believe they deserve wages befitting the role. There are also still many many roles for lesser qualified carers however they get paid even bloody less.

Even during a regular shift my wife comes home with a level of phsical and mental exhaustion someone like you couldn't even comprehend.

I would step away from the computer mate. Every keystroke just demonstrates what an out of touch buffon you really are.

[SaintK]

Oh please, I am aware that Public sector money is taxed but is has to come from somewhere and that ultimately is the private sector. I have also been a Public sector employee so I have seen both sides.

It is the ultimate tell about your current mindset though. It's been the comment of choice to belittle public sector workers since Pontius was a pilot.

I don't mean it as a belittling statement it is a fact. I was one myself!!

Then of course you will fully understand and sympathise with the the outcry from all political persuasions to the governments offer of a derisory 1% pay increase for NHS staff

The government is facing a backlash from a broad range of the public over the 1% pay rise offered to NHS workers in England in the wake of the pandemic, as it emerged that the vast majority of voters believe the increase is too low.
With senior Tories already predicting that the government will be forced to rethink the offer, a poll for the Observer revealed that 72% of the public believe the pay deal should be more generous. The Tories are also facing a backlash from their own supporters, as the Opinium poll found a clear majority of Conservative voters (58%) believe the increase is too low.