So, coronavirus...

[Ovals]

Common sense dictates public health policy has a huge role to play - but its clearly just one of the drivers.

It is the key one.

If you have a strong and effective PH response and minimise the community transmission of covid19 from the get go then you minimise the spread of the virus and the number of hospitalisations and ultimately deaths. You close borders. You maintain control by focused PH actions to control outbreaks and your health systems can cope with extra demand whilst maintaining other services, This is what successful countries have done. You can then get back to more normality, schools open and the economy gets up and running again. Examples include NZ, Australia, South Vietnam and most of the nordic countries apart from Sweden.

If your public health response fails to control community transmission and the the virus runs out of control then you have greater hospitalisations and deaths. You keep borders open and import additional cases and strains. You then have increased hospitalisations and move to maintaining essential health services only. If you have a population who are older, more obese and greater levels of diabetes then you have a lot more deaths and long covid sufferers. This is what less successful countries have done. You then have continual lock downs and take longer and longer to get back to normal and the economy suffers badly and takes a long time to recover. This is the UK.

PH response is crucial - done well = minimise deaths and economic hit, done badly = lots of deaths and long covid and big economic hit. The other factors will influence the size of the hit in terms of deaths and other health problems and the economic and social cost of any response to the pandemic.

However - that wouldn't really explain the mortality rate, would it ? - i.e the % of people who contract Covid that then die. Whilst you can't entirely trust all the figures from around the world - it does seem that the UK has a higher moratlity rate, despite having one of the better health systems, than most other countries. And, since we have tested more than any other country, we're almost certainly picking up more cases than elsewhere - which makes our mortailty rate, comparitively, even worse. Age, obesity and a (probably) more deathly variant, seem very likely reasons.

[Flockwitt]

Common sense dictates public health policy has a huge role to play - but its clearly just one of the drivers.

It is the key one.

If you have a strong and effective PH response and minimise the community transmission of covid19 from the get go then you minimise the spread of the virus and the number of hospitalisations and ultimately deaths. You close borders. You maintain control by focused PH actions to control outbreaks and your health systems can cope with extra demand whilst maintaining other services, This is what successful countries have done. You can then get back to more normality, schools open and the economy gets up and running again. Examples include NZ, Australia, South Vietnam and most of the nordic countries apart from Sweden.

If your public health response fails to control community transmission and the the virus runs out of control then you have greater hospitalisations and deaths. You keep borders open and import additional cases and strains. You then have increased hospitalisations and move to maintaining essential health services only. If you have a population who are older, more obese and greater levels of diabetes then you have a lot more deaths and long covid sufferers. This is what less successful countries have done. You then have continual lock downs and take longer and longer to get back to normal and the economy suffers badly and takes a long time to recover. This is the UK.

PH response is crucial - done well = minimise deaths and economic hit, done badly = lots of deaths and long covid and big economic hit. The other factors will influence the size of the hit in terms of deaths and other health problems and the economic and social cost of any response to the pandemic.

However - that wouldn't really explain the mortality rate, would it ? - i.e the % of people who contract Covid that then die. Whilst you can't entirely trust all the figures from around the world - it does seem that the UK has a higher moratlity rate, despite having one of the better health systems, than most other countries. And, since we have tested more than any other country, we're almost certainly picking up more cases than elsewhere - which makes our mortailty rate, comparitively, even worse. Age, obesity and a (probably) more deathly variant, seem very likely reasons.

The info I can find suggests there's a big gender difference, men twice as likely to die as women. Perhaps a dozen pints on a quiet weekend is a factor?

[Saint]

It is the key one.

If you have a strong and effective PH response and minimise the community transmission of covid19 from the get go then you minimise the spread of the virus and the number of hospitalisations and ultimately deaths. You close borders. You maintain control by focused PH actions to control outbreaks and your health systems can cope with extra demand whilst maintaining other services, This is what successful countries have done. You can then get back to more normality, schools open and the economy gets up and running again. Examples include NZ, Australia, South Vietnam and most of the nordic countries apart from Sweden.

If your public health response fails to control community transmission and the the virus runs out of control then you have greater hospitalisations and deaths. You keep borders open and import additional cases and strains. You then have increased hospitalisations and move to maintaining essential health services only. If you have a population who are older, more obese and greater levels of diabetes then you have a lot more deaths and long covid sufferers. This is what less successful countries have done. You then have continual lock downs and take longer and longer to get back to normal and the economy suffers badly and takes a long time to recover. This is the UK.

PH response is crucial - done well = minimise deaths and economic hit, done badly = lots of deaths and long covid and big economic hit. The other factors will influence the size of the hit in terms of deaths and other health problems and the economic and social cost of any response to the pandemic.

However - that wouldn't really explain the mortality rate, would it ? - i.e the % of people who contract Covid that then die. Whilst you can't entirely trust all the figures from around the world - it does seem that the UK has a higher moratlity rate, despite having one of the better health systems, than most other countries. And, since we have tested more than any other country, we're almost certainly picking up more cases than elsewhere - which makes our mortailty rate, comparitively, even worse. Age, obesity and a (probably) more deathly variant, seem very likely reasons.

The info I can find suggests there's a big gender difference, men twice as likely to die as women. Perhaps a dozen pints on a quiet weekend is a factor?

There's all sorts of risk factors, and many of them are not understood. For instance, having had a previous fracture of the hip, wrist, spin, or humerus, can increase your chance of hospitalisation from Covid by 50% in an otherwise healthy 40 year old male. No-one has the first idea why, by the data set is large enough that they're very confident that there's a link

[Ovals]

However - that wouldn't really explain the mortality rate, would it ? - i.e the % of people who contract Covid that then die. Whilst you can't entirely trust all the figures from around the world - it does seem that the UK has a higher moratlity rate, despite having one of the better health systems, than most other countries. And, since we have tested more than any other country, we're almost certainly picking up more cases than elsewhere - which makes our mortailty rate, comparitively, even worse. Age, obesity and a (probably) more deathly variant, seem very likely reasons.

The info I can find suggests there's a big gender difference, men twice as likely to die as women. Perhaps a dozen pints on a quiet weekend is a factor?

There's all sorts of risk factors, and many of them are not understood. For instance, having had a previous fracture of the hip, wrist, spin, or humerus, can increase your chance of hospitalisation from Covid by 50% in an otherwise healthy 40 year old male. No-one has the first idea why, by the data set is large enough that they're very confident that there's a link

I guess that, the better your Health Service, the more 'walking wounded' who are at greater risks , you will have.

[Marylandolorian]

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[Biffer]

Being a sluggish few days for vaccines in the UK.

However it appears AZ has now really scaled up and we should expect 500k a day starting from the 14/15th which will hopefully get the trend moving rapidly in the other direction.

Apparently there's some arrangement where 10 million of our 100 million contract with AZ are shipping from SII, with the first shipment already in country and undergoing final testing/approval. The EMA is also apparently auditing SII with the view to include them as part of the EUs supply chains

By all accounts the Novavax factory has been starting to stockpile vaccine since mid Feb, so there's going to be a large amount of additional vaccine in the UK as soon as it gets approved; globally they're targeting 150 million doses a month by mid-April

Is that potentially what Nicola Sturgeon WA referring to when she said some of the stocks which will start coming through in the next few weeks will be short dated? Expecting Novavax be approved imminently and we'll start to use that stockpile?

[Saint]

Being a sluggish few days for vaccines in the UK.

However it appears AZ has now really scaled up and we should expect 500k a day starting from the 14/15th which will hopefully get the trend moving rapidly in the other direction.

Apparently there's some arrangement where 10 million of our 100 million contract with AZ are shipping from SII, with the first shipment already in country and undergoing final testing/approval. The EMA is also apparently auditing SII with the view to include them as part of the EUs supply chains

By all accounts the Novavax factory has been starting to stockpile vaccine since mid Feb, so there's going to be a large amount of additional vaccine in the UK as soon as it gets approved; globally they're targeting 150 million doses a month by mid-April

Is that potentially what Nicola Sturgeon WA referring to when she said some of the stocks which will start coming through in the next few weeks will be short dated? Expecting Novavax be approved imminently and we'll start to use that stockpile?

Honestly not sure what to make out of anything that Nicola utters. But I expect that most AZ supply in the near term will be for delivering 2nd dose. I'm group 10, so due for a first dose sometime April (maybe early May), and think it's a strong likelihood I'm getting Novovax

[Un Pilier]

However - that wouldn't really explain the mortality rate, would it ? - i.e the % of people who contract Covid that then die. Whilst you can't entirely trust all the figures from around the world - it does seem that the UK has a higher moratlity rate, despite having one of the better health systems, than most other countries. And, since we have tested more than any other country, we're almost certainly picking up more cases than elsewhere - which makes our mortailty rate, comparitively, even worse. Age, obesity and a (probably) more deathly variant, seem very likely reasons.

The info I can find suggests there's a big gender difference, men twice as likely to die as women. Perhaps a dozen pints on a quiet weekend is a factor?

There's all sorts of risk factors, and many of them are not understood. For instance, having had a previous fracture of the hip, wrist, spin, or humerus, can increase your chance of hospitalisation from Covid by 50% in an otherwise healthy 40 year old male. No-one has the first idea why, by the data set is large enough that they're very confident that there's a link

That’s fascinating- hadn’t seen that before. Even happier I have had my first jab!

[tc27]

Its being rumoured for a while that every adult could get vaccinated by the end of May.
And now devolved leaders (who are briefed by the government) seem to be confirming.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/covid ... ses-908118

[dpedin]

Apparently there's some arrangement where 10 million of our 100 million contract with AZ are shipping from SII, with the first shipment already in country and undergoing final testing/approval. The EMA is also apparently auditing SII with the view to include them as part of the EUs supply chains

By all accounts the Novavax factory has been starting to stockpile vaccine since mid Feb, so there's going to be a large amount of additional vaccine in the UK as soon as it gets approved; globally they're targeting 150 million doses a month by mid-April

Is that potentially what Nicola Sturgeon WA referring to when she said some of the stocks which will start coming through in the next few weeks will be short dated? Expecting Novavax be approved imminently and we'll start to use that stockpile?

Honestly not sure what to make out of anything that Nicola utters. But I expect that most AZ supply in the near term will be for delivering 2nd dose. I'm group 10, so due for a first dose sometime April (maybe early May), and think it's a strong likelihood I'm getting Novovax

She would have said more but has been asked to keep future numbers of vaccines secret by the UK Gov, hence the vague info rather than the detail. Remember the stushie about the plan they published then pulled? If you're pissed off with the lack of data then its the UK Gov intention to keep it that way. If anyone has the original doc before it was pulled then that will probably tell us when the supply is supposed to ramp up again. This was all known some weeks ago.

[Saint]

Is that potentially what Nicola Sturgeon WA referring to when she said some of the stocks which will start coming through in the next few weeks will be short dated? Expecting Novavax be approved imminently and we'll start to use that stockpile?

Honestly not sure what to make out of anything that Nicola utters. But I expect that most AZ supply in the near term will be for delivering 2nd dose. I'm group 10, so due for a first dose sometime April (maybe early May), and think it's a strong likelihood I'm getting Novovax

She would have said more but has been asked to keep future numbers of vaccines secret by the UK Gov, hence the vague info rather than the detail. Remember the stushie about the plan they published then pulled? If you're pissed off with the lack of data then its the UK Gov intention to keep it that way. If anyone has the original doc before it was pulled then that will probably tell us when the supply is supposed to ramp up again. This was all known some weeks ago.

I mean that I have no idea what Nicola is ever referring to. She regularly makes statements that simply don't stand up to scrutiny (not unlike most politicians) but seems to get a free pass on most of it

[Hal Jordan]

Do we have any idea on the chance of getting Covid for a less than fit forty something who has had a wrist injury?

Just asking for a friend.

[dpedin]

Honestly not sure what to make out of anything that Nicola utters. But I expect that most AZ supply in the near term will be for delivering 2nd dose. I'm group 10, so due for a first dose sometime April (maybe early May), and think it's a strong likelihood I'm getting Novovax

She would have said more but has been asked to keep future numbers of vaccines secret by the UK Gov, hence the vague info rather than the detail. Remember the stushie about the plan they published then pulled? If you're pissed off with the lack of data then its the UK Gov intention to keep it that way. If anyone has the original doc before it was pulled then that will probably tell us when the supply is supposed to ramp up again. This was all known some weeks ago.

I mean that I have no idea what Nicola is ever referring to. She regularly makes statements that simply don't stand up to scrutiny (not unlike most politicians) but seems to get a free pass on most of it

I thought the post from Biffer re what she said was relatively clear. Free pass ... unlike the Blonde Bumblecunt who has 'misled' the House at every PMQs for the last 3 weeks and has clearly broken the Ministerial Code? You may not understand what Wee Nic is saying but it is blindingly obvious that the BB is, as one of his predecessors says is 'economical with the truth', when in PMQs. I thought the Lewis Goodall reporting of it on Newsnight last night was very to the point. Try this website ..
https://boris-johnson-lies.com

[tc27]

Misleading Parliament is a resigning offence....but presumably as long as Johnson mumbles something about not being able to recall or remember this or that he'll be fine?

Anyway..the reasons for keeping the supply schedule confidential are obvious given the last few weeks of remarks and behaviour by some EU based politicians. I'm prepared to believe the SG publishing it was a mistake rather than a more sinister attempt to undermine the UK government (at the risk of peoples lives) but who knows?

[dpedin]

Misleading Parliament is a resigning offence....but presumably as long as Johnson mumbles something about not being able to recall or remember this or that he'll be fine?

Anyway..the reasons for keeping the supply schedule confidential are obvious given the last few weeks of remarks and behaviour by some EU based politicians. I'm prepared to believe the SG publishing it was a mistake rather than a more sinister attempt to undermine the UK government (at the risk of peoples lives) but who knows?

Ha ha ha ... you'll be telling me that once I have had the vaccine Bill Gates will be monitoring how often I go to the loo next! Sounds like you have a Piers Morgan fixation syndrome.

[Slick]

dpedin, never change

Could I ask you and Biffer a serious question, not political?

We do seem to be falling further back with our vaccinations in Scotland, is this the case? I heard from neighbours last night that many of the 60-65 group in Edinburgh have been sent a letter this week to say their jabs are due but with no time or date (in error apparently) meaning they are having to call a really busy switchboard and delaying things.

[tc27]

Misleading Parliament is a resigning offence....but presumably as long as Johnson mumbles something about not being able to recall or remember this or that he'll be fine?

Anyway..the reasons for keeping the supply schedule confidential are obvious given the last few weeks of remarks and behaviour by some EU based politicians. I'm prepared to believe the SG publishing it was a mistake rather than a more sinister attempt to undermine the UK government (at the risk of peoples lives) but who knows?

Ha ha ha ... you'll be telling me that once I have had the vaccine Bill Gates will be monitoring how often I go to the loo next! Sounds like you have a Piers Morgan fixation syndrome.

[Mahoney]

Yes, that struck me as a full-on fruitloop response.

[TheNatalShark]

Evil EU continues to block access and talk down the efficacy of the AZ vaccine, wrongly suggesting it is currently causing blood clots in recipients, so should be banned.

Utterly irresponsible.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/covid ... ed-austria

[tc27]

Actually the EUs involvement is EMA telling people its safe - its the Danish national agency that's temporarily banned it.

[The Druid]

Actually the EUs involvement is EMA telling people its safe - its the Danish national agency that's temporarily banned it.

Denmark has temporarily suspended AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine shots after reports of cases of blood clots forming, including one in Denmark, Danish authorities said on Thursday.
They did not say how many reports of blood clots there had been, but Austria has stopped using a batch of AstraZeneca shots while investigating a death from coagulation disorders and an illness from a pulmonary embolism.
They said six other European countries had halted the use of a vaccine batch from AstraZeneca.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/03/11/den ... lot-report
And yet the EU are still trying to shaft the UK over Alleged ban on vaccine exports.

[Paddington Bear]

Do we have any idea on the chance of getting Covid for a less than fit forty something who has had a wrist injury?

Just asking for a friend.

Spending a year in lockdown furiously masturbating does not place you above any of the rest of us in the queue, no.

[TheNatalShark]

Actually the EUs involvement is EMA telling people its safe - its the Danish national agency that's temporarily banned it.

I'm going to take this as a compliment as to the development of my skills of subtlety.

I'm playing on the dumb headlines and discussion we've had in the Anglosphere over the last two months that it has been the organisation or EMA position(s) themselves that commented on efficacy or recommendations against over 55/65 rollouts, and that they are responsible for uptake failures. When the reality is opposite.

[TheNatalShark]

And yet the EU are still trying to shaft the UK over Alleged ban on vaccine exports.

Exhibit A.

Denmark suspends = EU has negative position

[Biffer]

dpedin, never change

Could I ask you and Biffer a serious question, not political?

We do seem to be falling further back with our vaccinations in Scotland, is this the case? I heard from neighbours last night that many of the 60-65 group in Edinburgh have been sent a letter this week to say their jabs are due but with no time or date (in error apparently) meaning they are having to call a really busy switchboard and delaying things.

34-5% of population in UK, 33% in Scotland, same timescales as the rest of the UK for completing the JCVI groups, so I don't think so. I think there can be criticisms both sides of the border - areas of England still have much lower numbers of care home staff vaccinated than Scotland for example - so I don't think the broad percentages are worth pinning badges on.

[Biffer]

Honestly not sure what to make out of anything that Nicola utters. But I expect that most AZ supply in the near term will be for delivering 2nd dose. I'm group 10, so due for a first dose sometime April (maybe early May), and think it's a strong likelihood I'm getting Novovax

She would have said more but has been asked to keep future numbers of vaccines secret by the UK Gov, hence the vague info rather than the detail. Remember the stushie about the plan they published then pulled? If you're pissed off with the lack of data then its the UK Gov intention to keep it that way. If anyone has the original doc before it was pulled then that will probably tell us when the supply is supposed to ramp up again. This was all known some weeks ago.

I mean that I have no idea what Nicola is ever referring to. She regularly makes statements that simply don't stand up to scrutiny (not unlike most politicians) but seems to get a free pass on most of it

I just found the short dated thing a bit odd.

[Slick]

dpedin, never change

Could I ask you and Biffer a serious question, not political?

We do seem to be falling further back with our vaccinations in Scotland, is this the case? I heard from neighbours last night that many of the 60-65 group in Edinburgh have been sent a letter this week to say their jabs are due but with no time or date (in error apparently) meaning they are having to call a really busy switchboard and delaying things.

34-5% of population in UK, 33% in Scotland, same timescales as the rest of the UK for completing the JCVI groups, so I don't think so. I think there can be criticisms both sides of the border - areas of England still have much lower numbers of care home staff vaccinated than Scotland for example - so I don't think the broad percentages are worth pinning badges on.

Cheers, that is good to hear. Just seems slower but obviously not from those figures!

[Saint]

Do we have any idea on the chance of getting Covid for a less than fit forty something who has had a wrist injury?

Just asking for a friend.

Seen the funny answers, but that;s just regular Group 10.

Based on your profile, you are in priority Group 10. Given an uptake of 75%, there are between 4,816,849 and 9,572,351 people in front of you in the queue for a first dose of COVID vaccine across the UK.
Given a vaccination rate of 2,465,155 a week and an uptake of 75%, you should expect to receive your first dose of vaccine between 07/04/2021 and 04/05/2021.

You should then get your second dose by between 30/06/2021 and 27/07/2021.

That's based on the average rate over the last 7 days, so if we really do see a large influx of doses over the next week then the dates will come forward significantly

[mat the expat]

The Vaccine rollout here has been stuffed up not ending in March but now October- December.

No OS trips out of Oz this year

[Biffer]

dpedin, never change

Could I ask you and Biffer a serious question, not political?

We do seem to be falling further back with our vaccinations in Scotland, is this the case? I heard from neighbours last night that many of the 60-65 group in Edinburgh have been sent a letter this week to say their jabs are due but with no time or date (in error apparently) meaning they are having to call a really busy switchboard and delaying things.

34-5% of population in UK, 33% in Scotland, same timescales as the rest of the UK for completing the JCVI groups, so I don't think so. I think there can be criticisms both sides of the border - areas of England still have much lower numbers of care home staff vaccinated than Scotland for example - so I don't think the broad percentages are worth pinning badges on.

Cheers, that is good to hear. Just seems slower but obviously not from those figures!

Yeah, wee Ruthie lies through her teeth and tries to present it as if we're miles behind. But she talks pish.

Percentage vaccinated in age groups

·60-64: 45%

·55-59: 38%

·50-54: 31%

Over 65s is pretty much everyone.

[tabascoboy]

Do we have any idea on the chance of getting Covid for a less than fit forty something who has had a wrist injury?

Just asking for a friend.

Seen the funny answers, but that;s just regular Group 10.

Based on your profile, you are in priority Group 10. Given an uptake of 75%, there are between 4,816,849 and 9,572,351 people in front of you in the queue for a first dose of COVID vaccine across the UK.
Given a vaccination rate of 2,465,155 a week and an uptake of 75%, you should expect to receive your first dose of vaccine between 07/04/2021 and 04/05/2021.

You should then get your second dose by between 30/06/2021 and 27/07/2021.

That's based on the average rate over the last 7 days, so if we really do see a large influx of doses over the next week then the dates will come forward significantly

Mine became available weeks before the estimate from that site I had about 2-3 weeks ago, actual dates for the jab appointment does depend where you live - my area seems to be really cracking on with it.

you should expect to receive your first dose of vaccine between 07/04/2021 and 21/04/2021.

In fact it's next week.

[Saint]

Do we have any idea on the chance of getting Covid for a less than fit forty something who has had a wrist injury?

Just asking for a friend.

Seen the funny answers, but that;s just regular Group 10.

Based on your profile, you are in priority Group 10. Given an uptake of 75%, there are between 4,816,849 and 9,572,351 people in front of you in the queue for a first dose of COVID vaccine across the UK.
Given a vaccination rate of 2,465,155 a week and an uptake of 75%, you should expect to receive your first dose of vaccine between 07/04/2021 and 04/05/2021.

You should then get your second dose by between 30/06/2021 and 27/07/2021.

That's based on the average rate over the last 7 days, so if we really do see a large influx of doses over the next week then the dates will come forward significantly

Mine became available weeks before the estimate from that site I had about 2-3 weeks ago, actual dates for the jab appointment does depend where you live - my area seems to be really cracking on with it.

you should expect to receive your first dose of vaccine between 07/04/2021 and 21/04/2021.

In fact it's next week.

It's also the UK average. There's obviously some differences between regions, bit it's a decent indication

[Hal Jordan]

I'm Group 6 due to a non-wanking related underlying health condition, so yesterday I booked my jabs online for late March and early June.

[Insane_Homer]

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... re_twitter

Boris Johnson’s £37bn Test and Trace service is facing a fresh row after it emerged that the government is refusing to publish details of meetings held by its chief Dido Harding.

The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has confirmed that it holds the information but is refusing a Freedom of Information Act (FOI) request – because to do so “would exceed the appropriate cost limit” of £600.

Campaign group The Good Law Project, which submitted the request, asked what ministers hoped to hide by failing to make the details public.

Test and Trace faced withering criticism on Wednesday in a new report by the Commons Public Accounts Committee, which concluded there was “no clear evidence” that it had made a significant impact on the Covid-19 pandemic.

MPs also attacked the “staggering” cost of the system and concluded ministers were treating taxpayers “like an ATM machine”.

It will cost more than £600 for Dido to tell us who she met with?

[Jockaline]

Evil EU continues to block access and talk down the efficacy of the AZ vaccine, wrongly suggesting it is currently causing blood clots in recipients, so should be banned.

Utterly irresponsible.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/covid ... ed-austria

I had my AZ vaccine a week last Sat. I have a bad cough as a smoker/COPD, but was coughing up blood spots in flehm on Monday this has never happened before. Phone the GP who asked me to come straight away and then sent me straight to the hospital to rule out a blood clot in lungs. The doctor at the hospital was 95% sure I don't have a clot, based on an x-rays and bloods, but I was feeling better on the Tuesday anyway so I wouldn't discount the potential for one forming in others, and that I was lucky it didn't get that bad.

It surprised me how urgently the GP reacted, and the hospital urging me to stay for the tests, so suspect that medical community are aware and alert to this, and that it's not just nonsenses from the EU. The vaccines are new and there will always be some risks. Any potential issues should not be buried, and the more openness the better, so this far from irresponsible, the opposite in fact.

FYI: I was close to walking out as the hospital as the unit I needed to stay in for hours was dealing with suspect covid patients and was a high risk place to be in my option. I will be anxious for the next week wondering if I've caught it two weeks before having some immunity and having spent the last year working from home and being very careful given my respiratory condition.

[Raggs]

Evil EU continues to block access and talk down the efficacy of the AZ vaccine, wrongly suggesting it is currently causing blood clots in recipients, so should be banned.

Utterly irresponsible.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/covid ... ed-austria

I had my AZ vaccine a week last Sat. I have a bad cough as a smoker/COPD, but was coughing up blood spots in flehm on Monday this has never happened before. Phone the GP who asked me to come straight away and then sent me straight to the hospital to rule out a blood clot in lungs. The doctor at the hospital was 95% sure I don't have a clot, based on an x-rays and bloods, but I was feeling better on the Tuesday anyway so I wouldn't discount the potential for one forming in others, and that I was lucky it didn't get that bad.

It surprised me how urgently the GP reacted, and the hospital urging me to stay for the tests, so suspect that medical community are aware and alert to this, and that it's not just nonsenses from the EU. The vaccines are new and there will always be some risks. Any potential issues should not be buried, and the more openness the better, so this far from irresponsible, the opposite in fact.

FYI: I was close to walking out as the hospital as the unit I needed to stay in for hours was dealing with suspect covid patients and was a high risk place to be in my option. I will be anxious for the next week wondering if I've caught it two weeks before having some immunity and having spent the last year working from home and being very careful given my respiratory condition.

You're surprised that your GP reacted urgently to you coughing up blood?

I may be completely off here, but I don't think you need to have a recent vaccine history, for a GP to get worried when someone starts coughing up blood, especially as a smoker...

[Saint]

Evil EU continues to block access and talk down the efficacy of the AZ vaccine, wrongly suggesting it is currently causing blood clots in recipients, so should be banned.

Utterly irresponsible.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/covid ... ed-austria

I had my AZ vaccine a week last Sat. I have a bad cough as a smoker/COPD, but was coughing up blood spots in flehm on Monday this has never happened before. Phone the GP who asked me to come straight away and then sent me straight to the hospital to rule out a blood clot in lungs. The doctor at the hospital was 95% sure I don't have a clot, based on an x-rays and bloods, but I was feeling better on the Tuesday anyway so I wouldn't discount the potential for one forming in others, and that I was lucky it didn't get that bad.

It surprised me how urgently the GP reacted, and the hospital urging me to stay for the tests, so suspect that medical community are aware and alert to this, and that it's not just nonsenses from the EU. The vaccines are new and there will always be some risks. Any potential issues should not be buried, and the more openness the better, so this far from irresponsible, the opposite in fact.

FYI: I was close to walking out as the hospital as the unit I needed to stay in for hours was dealing with suspect covid patients and was a high risk place to be in my option. I will be anxious for the next week wondering if I've caught it two weeks before having some immunity and having spent the last year working from home and being very careful given my respiratory condition.

You're surprised that your GP reacted urgently to you coughing up blood?

I may be completely off here, but I don't think you need to have a recent vaccine history, for a GP to get worried when someone starts coughing up blood, especially as a smoker...

Yeah. At this point there's a lot of AZ been injected (at a guess 20-30 million doses at least), and even the EMA are saying that there's no difference in these events between immunised and non-immunised. The fact that it only seems to be happening very recently implies that if there is a real issue it's batch/quality control related

[Jockaline]

Evil EU continues to block access and talk down the efficacy of the AZ vaccine, wrongly suggesting it is currently causing blood clots in recipients, so should be banned.

Utterly irresponsible.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/covid ... ed-austria

I had my AZ vaccine a week last Sat. I have a bad cough as a smoker/COPD, but was coughing up blood spots in flehm on Monday this has never happened before. Phone the GP who asked me to come straight away and then sent me straight to the hospital to rule out a blood clot in lungs. The doctor at the hospital was 95% sure I don't have a clot, based on an x-rays and bloods, but I was feeling better on the Tuesday anyway so I wouldn't discount the potential for one forming in others, and that I was lucky it didn't get that bad.

It surprised me how urgently the GP reacted, and the hospital urging me to stay for the tests, so suspect that medical community are aware and alert to this, and that it's not just nonsenses from the EU. The vaccines are new and there will always be some risks. Any potential issues should not be buried, and the more openness the better, so this far from irresponsible, the opposite in fact.

FYI: I was close to walking out as the hospital as the unit I needed to stay in for hours was dealing with suspect covid patients and was a high risk place to be in my opinion. I will be anxious for the next week wondering if I've caught it two weeks before having some immunity and having spent the last year working from home and being very careful given my respiratory condition.

You're surprised that your GP reacted urgently to you coughing up blood?

I may be completely off here, but I don't think you need to have a recent vaccine history, for a GP to get worried when someone starts coughing up blood, especially as a smoker...

I got the impression antibiotics were the go to as likely an infection, the blood clot concern was something particular to my circumstances, which might have been my recent vaccination. I did ask if it might to connected to the vaccine, but she just said too early to tell.

I was impressed with the GP. A friend died a few years from DVT blood clot in the lungs, she never coughed up blood spots, but was intermittently unusually breathless. She was given the run around, initially by a locum at her GPs - just to rest up. It didn't go away, and then was back and forward to the GP who eventually booked in for outpatient x-ray, no urgency at all even though she had been on a number of long haul flights and had history of high blood pressure. I will forever feel guilty that I didn't encourage/take her to A&E.

[TheNatalShark]

It surprised me how urgently the GP reacted, and the hospital urging me to stay for the tests, so suspect that medical community are aware and alert to this, and that it's not just nonsenses from the EU. The vaccines are new and there will always be some risks. Any potential issues should not be buried, and the more openness the better, so this far from irresponsible, the opposite in fact.

Hope you stay alright and improve. Congrats on receiving!

Don't worry it was facetious, sympathy that may not convey due to personal experience and the existence of similar but genuinely intended comments. Have high confidence in the relevant authorities and them taking whatever precautions they feel relevant for their patients, and hope that it just returns as just a precaution and normal service resumes for all.

[Jockaline]

It surprised me how urgently the GP reacted, and the hospital urging me to stay for the tests, so suspect that medical community are aware and alert to this, and that it's not just nonsenses from the EU. The vaccines are new and there will always be some risks. Any potential issues should not be buried, and the more openness the better, so this far from irresponsible, the opposite in fact.

Hope you stay alright and improve. Congrats on receiving!

Don't worry it was facetious, sympathy that may not convey due to personal experience and the existence of similar but genuinely intended comments. Have high confidence in the relevant authorities and them taking whatever precautions they feel relevant for their patients, and hope that it just returns as just a precaution and normal service resumes for all.

Thanks, feel back to normal now, seems to have been a 24 Hr event. I might not have even called the GP if it hadn't been for the blood spot on the morning following the previous day, which was quite bad/alarming. I just thought I'd share my experience.

There's no doubt the EU have been behaving badly re: AZ, and UK vaccine jealously, and I can understand if when they actually have some serious/real facts/concerns they aren't taken seriously. There's a lot of good very clever people in the EU, maybe not so much in the political class though, but the same applies here unfortunately.