6 nations 2021 Scrum down in the lockdown

[Random1]

Really enjoyed that.

Malins did well enough to keep the spot, which is great.

Billy was throwing himself about a bit, so looked decent.

Nice to see some attacking pattern too. We looked decent on the front foot.

I’d have given MoM to maro.

[tc27]

Wtf was the penalty reversal?

it was as clear and obvious as it gets. dived in, missed the ball, was on his knees and elbows.

Yep I agree was just a moment of passion.

A couple of the French ruck pens were dubious too BTW.

[notfatcat]

Wtf was the penalty reversal?

it was as clear and obvious as it gets. dived in, missed the ball, was on his knees and elbows.

Yes it was obvious but refs and TMOs simply do not reverse those decisions. That's what was strange about it.

[Torquemada 1420]

Not learning really. Same as the Autumn: if you go away from a plan that is working to trying to defend the game out, you'd better have enough of a lead to do it.

Harsh to pick on Dulin but that drop kick epitomised where Fra heads were in the 2nd half. Loads of space to run into but keep kicking (badly) to the Eng back 3. Dupont went from incisive running to all kicks or dithering. Fickou saw practically nothing in offence at 12.

Eng were far braver in continuing to try to play even when they were making errors.

[OomStruisbaai]

Want to say congrats England but vok me their players arrogance haven't change since 2019 WC final.

So hard luck Allez de Bluer. By far the best team.

[notfatcat]

Really enjoyed that.

Malins did well enough to keep the spot, which is great.

Billy was throwing himself about a bit, so looked decent.

Nice to see some attacking pattern too. We looked decent on the front foot.

I’d have given MoM to maro.

I must be a right negative bastard these days. Quins infuriate me nearly every time they play, and I thought England were the usual cack outside the first 20 minutes. I did find myself wondering late on how England were only 4 points behind because France looked comfortably the better side to me. The enjoyment dwindled pretty quickly after the awesome opening.

[And 1 guest]

Great game, and England's second half meant they deserved it. France must know how it feels to be Scottish

[Lobby]

That pen reversal was bizarre. He did make the wrong call initially, but I don't think I've ever seen a reversal for a technical offence after it's been shown on the big screen.

You could be doing that at a good proportion of pen decisions that are made at the ruck.

Anyway. Good win. Happy with that

There were at least two French turnovers/penalties where they put hands on the floor first, and both were clear on the replay. It’s a nonsense to reverse a penalty for that.

[Kawazaki]

Ben Youngs played very well.

[Random1]

Not learning really. Same as the Autumn: if you go away from a plan that is working to trying to defend the game out, you'd better have enough of a lead to do it.

Harsh to pick on Dulin but that drop kick epitomised where Fra heads were in the 2nd half. Loads of space to run into but keep kicking (badly) to the Eng back 3. Dupont went from incisive running to all kicks or dithering. Fickou saw practically nothing in offence at 12.

Eng were far braver in continuing to try to play even when they were making errors.

Ah, chill out - your team has mega potential. Lose this, teach your players a lesson about winning the last 20 and you’ll be grand slamming next year.

Love France being back in the frame - missed them.

6 nations is a great tournament.

[Margin__Walker]

Ben Youngs played very well.

Yeah, apart from that kick out in the full, he had a superb game.

[laurent]

Really poor second half by the French stopped playing and in the end lose on a marginal call.

Well done England.

[notfatcat]

Ben Youngs played very well.

That break down the blindside on his own, coupled with kicking the ball straight out, was a thing of beauty.

[Paddington Bear]

Echo the Youngs flavoured humble pie. His best game for years

[Random1]

Oh, and most of all - it was really important for England to win this considering they chose to run rather than take the kick first option.

If we played ball and lost, Eddie would have been justified in saying “see, told you running loses games”

This is an important game fir England.

[Paddington Bear]

Want to say congrats England but vok me their players arrogance haven't change since 2019 WC final.

So hard luck Allez de Bluer. By far the best team.

Please describe what their ‘arrogance’ was beyond daring to win the game

[JM2K6]

Really enjoyed that.

Malins did well enough to keep the spot, which is great.

Billy was throwing himself about a bit, so looked decent.

Nice to see some attacking pattern too. We looked decent on the front foot.

I’d have given MoM to maro.

I must be a right negative bastard these days. Quins infuriate me nearly every time they play, and I thought England were the usual cack outside the first 20 minutes. I did find myself wondering late on how England were only 4 points behind because France looked comfortably the better side to me. The enjoyment dwindled pretty quickly after the awesome opening.

[Kawazaki]

Ben Youngs played very well.

That break down the blindside on his own, coupled with kicking the ball straight out, was a thing of beauty.

I'm his biggest critic. By miles. But I always call it as I see it and he played well.

[Plato’sCave]

Great win, well played. Thanks England.

[Torquemada 1420]

I must be a right negative bastard these days. Quins infuriate me nearly every time they play, and I thought England were the usual cack outside the first 20 minutes. I did find myself wondering late on how England were only 4 points behind because France looked comfortably the better side to me. The enjoyment dwindled pretty quickly after the awesome opening.

Same for me on other side of the fence.

Am going to complain about 2 decisions though because they mattered in the end on the board
1) Brace calls Maul and then penalises Fra for lying on the wrong side when the maul goes down. It's a maul, not a tackle. No-one has to move away anywhere.

2) The pen against Ollivon at the lineout was an equal joke although that came from the TJ to Brace.

[Sandstorm]

vok me

Good idea

[Random1]

Really enjoyed that.

Malins did well enough to keep the spot, which is great.

Billy was throwing himself about a bit, so looked decent.

Nice to see some attacking pattern too. We looked decent on the front foot.

I’d have given MoM to maro.

I must be a right negative bastard these days. Quins infuriate me nearly every time they play, and I thought England were the usual cack outside the first 20 minutes. I did find myself wondering late on how England were only 4 points behind because France looked comfortably the better side to me. The enjoyment dwindled pretty quickly after the awesome opening.

Yeah, my second post clarified my feelings. I’m positive because we passed, ran, kicked, generally in that order. There’s still shit to sort, but the centres actually touched the ball.

That’s progress.

[ASMO]

Curry easily MOM for me, he was immense. On the debit side, this game showed how poor Englands midfield are going forwards. France ball in hand is a thing of beauty

[tc27]

Oh, and most of all - it was really important for England to win this considering they chose to run rather than take the kick first option.

If we played ball and lost, Eddie would have been justified in saying “see, told you running loses games”

This is an important game fir England.

Exactly

[notfatcat]

Really enjoyed that.

Malins did well enough to keep the spot, which is great.

Billy was throwing himself about a bit, so looked decent.

Nice to see some attacking pattern too. We looked decent on the front foot.

I’d have given MoM to maro.

I must be a right negative bastard these days. Quins infuriate me nearly every time they play, and I thought England were the usual cack outside the first 20 minutes. I did find myself wondering late on how England were only 4 points behind because France looked comfortably the better side to me. The enjoyment dwindled pretty quickly after the awesome opening.

[Lemoentjie]

Can France still win 6N?

[notfatcat]

I must be a right negative bastard these days. Quins infuriate me nearly every time they play, and I thought England were the usual cack outside the first 20 minutes. I did find myself wondering late on how England were only 4 points behind because France looked comfortably the better side to me. The enjoyment dwindled pretty quickly after the awesome opening.

Same for me on other side of the fence.

Am going to complain about 2 decisions though because they mattered in the end on the board
1) Brace calls Maul and then penalises Fra for lying on the wrong side when the maul goes down. It's a maul, not a tackle. No-one has to move away anywhere.

He penalised the bloke for playing the ball on the floor.

[BnM]

Can France still win 6N?

They have to beat wales and scotland. Wales just have to beat France and they have the GS

[JM2K6]

I must be a right negative bastard these days. Quins infuriate me nearly every time they play, and I thought England were the usual cack outside the first 20 minutes. I did find myself wondering late on how England were only 4 points behind because France looked comfortably the better side to me. The enjoyment dwindled pretty quickly after the awesome opening.

Same for me on other side of the fence.

Am going to complain about 2 decisions though because they mattered in the end on the board
1) Brace calls Maul and then penalises Fra for lying on the wrong side when the maul goes down. It's a maul, not a tackle. No-one has to move away anywhere.

2) The pen against Ollivon at the lineout was an equal joke although that came from the TJ to Brace.

Torq, when the ball is on the floor and clearly playable it goes from a maul to a ruck. That's how you cope with (for example) a choke tackle - by getting the ball down and visible.

[OomStruisbaai]

vok me

Good idea

vokof

[Lemoentjie]

Can France still win 6N?

They have to beat wales and scotland. Wales just have to beat France and they have the GS

And does the bonus points in those games affect it? For example if Wales get 2 bonus point against France

[Flockwitt]

Curry easily MOM for me, he was immense. On the debit side, this game showed how poor Englands midfield are going forwards. France ball in hand is a thing of beauty

I thought Slade had a good game. The French midfield looked good because the ball was worked around at speed to create angles and space first, not just passed straight out with nobody there for a quick offload.

[JM2K6]

As for the penalty against ollivon, if it's the one I'm thinking of he clearly unbalanced Ewels by pulling on his arm in the air.

[Kawazaki]

Farrell and Slade aren't the answer either.

England really need a total rethink on what they think centres are for. The French centres ran great lines, fixed defenders and moved the ball past the edge of the defence to the flyers. They also hold their depth. That's basically all they do but they're very very good at it. Farrell and Slade don't have any depth and Farrell has little dynamism to run a line or add a running threat. He can pass ok but without the other bits the defence will slide.

[Kawazaki]

Curry easily MOM for me, he was immense. On the debit side, this game showed how poor Englands midfield are going forwards. France ball in hand is a thing of beauty

I thought Slade had a good game. The French midfield looked good because the ball was worked around at speed to create angles and space first, not just passed straight out with nobody there for a quick offload.

Nah, Slade was poor in attack and defence.

[OomStruisbaai]

Can France still win 6N?

No.

[BnM]

Can France still win 6N?

They have to beat wales and scotland. Wales just have to beat France and they have the GS

And does the bonus points in those games affect it? For example if Wales get 2 bonus point against France

No Wales just have to beat France. France have to win both and get 2 bonus points iirc.

[JM2K6]

Slade comes up with good moments fairly often but yeah, he misses hatfuls of tackles and doesn't exactly terrify teams.

[Lemoentjie]

Can France still win 6N?

No.

BnM says they can

[OomStruisbaai]

Want to say congrats England but vok me their players arrogance haven't change since 2019 WC final.

So hard luck Allez de Bluer. By far the best team.

Please describe what their ‘arrogance’ was beyond daring to win the game

May screaming like Tarzan for vokol.