So, coronavirus...

[Fangle]

Who the hell is trolling?

I specifically explained my interest, namely that I was interested in the implications of the politicisation of pandemic measures. I went on to suggest that there are gaps in our understanding of the effects of the pandemic and I pointed at India as a nation that, by all logic, should have been struck a lot harder than they have been, given the density of their population and the poverty afflicting them.

I suggest that you are being a little over-sensitive.

Why mention Trump when you know he hasn’t had a rally in months? Why speak disparagingly about Georgia, when a quick search will show that Atlanta has a couple of universities in the top 50, a bunch of Fortune 500 companies with their headquarters in Atlanta, the world’s busiest airport etc., that Georgia voted for Biden and both senators are now Democrat?

I've explained.

Trump was a key factor in the politicisation of antivirus measures.

I've not spoken disparagingly of Georgia, just to say that I thought it was Trump heartland, which, bearing in mind that Majorie Taylor Greene was elected to represent them, didn't seem to be too far a stretch. That said, I'm prepared to accept JMK's assertion (and yours) that it's now a blue state.

Have it your way. I don’t understand your thinking and it was a mistake to reply to you. It won’t happen again.

[Lobby]

Some interesting developments today.

AZ insiders are hinting strongly that, because of the EU attacks on their vaccine, in future they will refuse to produce vaccines on a not for profit basis. It’s also being suggested that they might abandon this stance for the current vaccine as well.

Novovax have decided to delay signing a contract for 100 million vaccines with the EU, apparently because of projected supply problems.. This delay is likely to further complicate the EU's vaccination plans as the bloc had planned to sign a deal with Novovax earlier this year for at least 100 million doses of its vaccine, with an option for another 100 million.

NB the UK signed contracts with Novavax in August last year to secure 60 million jabs.

I do wonder if Novovax’s reluctance to sign the EU contracts is because of the way it has treated AZ.

[Saint]

Some interesting developments today.

AZ insiders are hinting strongly that, because of the EU attacks on their vaccine, in future they will refuse to produce vaccines on a not for profit basis. It’s also being suggested that they might abandon this stance for the current vaccine as well.

Novovax have decided to delay signing a contract for 100 million vaccines with the EU, apparently because of projected supply problems.. This delay is likely to further complicate the EU's vaccination plans as the bloc had planned to sign a deal with Novovax earlier this year for at least 100 million doses of its vaccine, with an option for another 100 million.

NB the UK signed contracts with Novavax in August last year to secure 60 million jabs.

I do wonder if Novovax’s reluctance to sign the EU contracts is because of the way it has treated AZ.

Interesting - hadn't heard either of those, and Novovax not signing with the EU will doubtless cause further issues - yet more vaccine we're not exporting to them..........

[Raggs]

Some interesting developments today.

AZ insiders are hinting strongly that, because of the EU attacks on their vaccine, in future they will refuse to produce vaccines on a not for profit basis. It’s also being suggested that they might abandon this stance for the current vaccine as well.

Novovax have decided to delay signing a contract for 100 million vaccines with the EU, apparently because of projected supply problems.. This delay is likely to further complicate the EU's vaccination plans as the bloc had planned to sign a deal with Novovax earlier this year for at least 100 million doses of its vaccine, with an option for another 100 million.

NB the UK signed contracts with Novavax in August last year to secure 60 million jabs.

I do wonder if Novovax’s reluctance to sign the EU contracts is because of the way it has treated AZ.

You'd have to assume so. Any contract like this will come with "We'll try our best, but you know this is new..." clauses, if the EU is seen throwing companies under the bus for this, they'll be less enthusiastic to deal with them, and will wait until they can be sure of supplying the agreed numbers.

[Rinkals]

Why mention Trump when you know he hasn’t had a rally in months? Why speak disparagingly about Georgia, when a quick search will show that Atlanta has a couple of universities in the top 50, a bunch of Fortune 500 companies with their headquarters in Atlanta, the world’s busiest airport etc., that Georgia voted for Biden and both senators are now Democrat?

I've explained.

Trump was a key factor in the politicisation of antivirus measures.

I've not spoken disparagingly of Georgia, just to say that I thought it was Trump heartland, which, bearing in mind that Majorie Taylor Greene was elected to represent them, didn't seem to be too far a stretch. That said, I'm prepared to accept JMK's assertion (and yours) that it's now a blue state.

Have it your way. I don’t understand your thinking and it was a mistake to reply to you. It won’t happen again.

You seem to have taken my questions as a personal attack.

They weren't.

I'm genuinely interested in the degree to which the measures taken against the pandemic have been effective or otherwise. It's pretty obvious to me that the states with Republican leadership are going to be the ones that are going to resist these measures the most and I'm interested in what consequences, if any, that resistance will have.

If you tell me that Georgia (which, rightly or wrongly, I'd understood to be a Republican stronghold) is recovering strongly, then it looks as though my reasoning is flawed and I'm interested to see why.

If you are not interested in having a logical discussion on these matters that is up to you.

[Ymx]

Just got the text message.

Booked in jab for tomorrow am.

Hope it’s the good stuff

[Saint]

Mrs Saint struggling a bit after Pfizer no 2. No trouble after dose 1, but dose 2 has already caused a dead arm and some nausea

[Ymx]

Ok. I hope to get the shit one then.

[Ymx]

Obviously joking. AZ is 100% against severe COVID. Presumably that’s an important stat.

[Sandstorm]

Mrs Saint struggling a bit after Pfizer no 2. No trouble after dose 1, but dose 2 has already caused a dead arm and some nausea

Colleague had AZ 1 today. 52 years old, healthy etc. She felt dizzy during her 15 minute wait, then after a check up went home. Migraine, nausea and aches the rest of the day.

I called her a fucking lightweight and said she should man up.

[Saint]

Mrs Saint struggling a bit after Pfizer no 2. No trouble after dose 1, but dose 2 has already caused a dead arm and some nausea

Colleague had AZ 1 today. 52 years old, healthy etc. She felt dizzy during her 15 minute wait, then after a check up went home. Migraine, nausea and aches the rest of the day.

I called her a fucking lightweight and said she should man up.

Like I said earlier, it's a clear trend. AZ gives you aftereffects after dose 1, Pfizer gives you the same on dose 2. Will be interesting to see if there's an observable trend once Moderna arrives in the UK

[Saint]

Obviously joking. AZ is 100% against severe COVID. Presumably that’s an important stat.

Well, if you;re French then they don;t pay attention to shit like that

[eldanielfire]

Some interesting developments today.

AZ insiders are hinting strongly that, because of the EU attacks on their vaccine, in future they will refuse to produce vaccines on a not for profit basis. It’s also being suggested that they might abandon this stance for the current vaccine as well.

Novovax have decided to delay signing a contract for 100 million vaccines with the EU, apparently because of projected supply problems.. This delay is likely to further complicate the EU's vaccination plans as the bloc had planned to sign a deal with Novovax earlier this year for at least 100 million doses of its vaccine, with an option for another 100 million.

NB the UK signed contracts with Novavax in August last year to secure 60 million jabs.

I do wonder if Novovax’s reluctance to sign the EU contracts is because of the way it has treated AZ.

There doesn't seem to be another rational explanation for it. People have stated the EU are making them selves toxic. I didn't see this specifically, but it makes sense that Vaccine companies will now only aim to deliver slower to the EU because they don't want the politic fallout made toxic backlash.

A similar story for the AstraZeneca desire to never offer a cost price Vaccine again. It means everyone now potentially loses out because of the toxic EU fallout. Not good for a future pandemic for poorer countries.

[Glaston]

Look at Valneva, possibly the only French vaccine that works.

Yet practically ignored by the French/EU and the company have set up a factory in Scotland .
UK has bought 40m doses and options for another 60m even though clinical trials have not finished.

[Biffer]

Look at Valneva, possibly the only French vaccine that works.

Yet practically ignored by the French/EU and the company have set up a factory in Scotland .
UK has bought 40m doses and options for another 60m even though clinical trials have not finished.

and contributed to the investment in the Livingston plant.

[tc27]

Devi Sridhar spreading fake news again.

[JM2K6]

If you read the whole thread she posted, the point she's making holds.

[tc27]

Her headline claim is AZ 'Doesnt work against' the SA variant. She doesn't even couch the wording in scientific terms and obviously ignores the evidence that with the proper doing schedule there is evidence its effective.

As far as I can tell she doesn't row back from that in subsequent tweets?

[JM2K6]

Her headline claim is AZ 'Doesnt work against' the SA variant.

As far as I can tell she doesn't row back from that in subsequent tweets?

Apart from the whole "50%" thing?

[tc27]

Her headline claim is AZ 'Doesnt work against' the SA variant.

As far as I can tell she doesn't row back from that in subsequent tweets?

Apart from the whole "50%" thing?

There is simply not enough evidence for anyone to make this claim - it is at the very least disputed and indeed the linked report suggests a two dose/12 week regime is actually effective.

Personally I don't find her slight (and still completely unverified) equivocation later in the tweet chain really covers her for making the claim 'it doesn't work'. She rightly or wrongly is quite a prominent figure and messaging matters.

[Marylandolorian]

Mrs Saint struggling a bit after Pfizer no 2. No trouble after dose 1, but dose 2 has already caused a dead arm and some nausea

Colleague had AZ 1 today. 52 years old, healthy etc. She felt dizzy during her 15 minute wait, then after a check up went home. Migraine, nausea and aches the rest of the day.

I called her a fucking lightweight and said she should man up.

Like I said earlier, it's a clear trend. AZ gives you aftereffects after dose 1, Pfizer gives you the same on dose 2. Will be interesting to see if there's an observable trend once Moderna arrives in the UK

With my family and friends, It looks like Moderna has stronger side effects on the first shot than the Pfizer.

NOVAVAX might be approved by the end of April- beginning of May, effectiveness is about the same than Pfzr and Moderna. UK might receive it first but our Governor claims our state should get it first as the company is in Maryland. ( I don’t know which smiley to put)

[Raggs]

Colleague had AZ 1 today. 52 years old, healthy etc. She felt dizzy during her 15 minute wait, then after a check up went home. Migraine, nausea and aches the rest of the day.

I called her a fucking lightweight and said she should man up.

Like I said earlier, it's a clear trend. AZ gives you aftereffects after dose 1, Pfizer gives you the same on dose 2. Will be interesting to see if there's an observable trend once Moderna arrives in the UK

With my family and friends, It looks like Moderna has stronger side effects on the first shot than the Pfizer.

NOVAVAX might be approved by the end of April- beginning of May, effectiveness is about the same than Pfzr and Moderna. UK might receive it first but our Governor claims our state should get it first as the company is in Maryland. ( I don’t know which smiley to put)

Good luck to your governer convincing the UK that after investing, running phase 3 trials in the UK, and producing it in the UK, that we should export it all to Maryland :D. I'm sure they'll be producing in the USA too.

[Marylandolorian]

Like I said earlier, it's a clear trend. AZ gives you aftereffects after dose 1, Pfizer gives you the same on dose 2. Will be interesting to see if there's an observable trend once Moderna arrives in the UK

With my family and friends, It looks like Moderna has stronger side effects on the first shot than the Pfizer.

NOVAVAX might be approved by the end of April- beginning of May, effectiveness is about the same than Pfzr and Moderna. UK might receive it first but our Governor claims our state should get it first as the company is in Maryland. ( I don’t know which smiley to put)

Good luck to your governer convincing the UK that after investing, running phase 3 trials in the UK, and producing it in the UK, that we should export it all to Maryland :D. I'm sure they'll be producing in the USA too.

If think the first part when I said the uk might get it first was more interesting but to continue on your tone; Novavax is based in Maryland with facilities in Sweden and Czech rep.nothing in the UK the money comes from the US, Melinda and Bill and the CEPI .

[Biffer]

Colleague had AZ 1 today. 52 years old, healthy etc. She felt dizzy during her 15 minute wait, then after a check up went home. Migraine, nausea and aches the rest of the day.

I called her a fucking lightweight and said she should man up.

Like I said earlier, it's a clear trend. AZ gives you aftereffects after dose 1, Pfizer gives you the same on dose 2. Will be interesting to see if there's an observable trend once Moderna arrives in the UK

With my family and friends, It looks like Moderna has stronger side effects on the first shot than the Pfizer.

NOVAVAX might be approved by the end of April- beginning of May, effectiveness is about the same than Pfzr and Moderna. UK might receive it first but our Governor claims our state should get it first as the company is in Maryland. ( I don’t know which smiley to put)

I doubt very much the manufacturing plant on Teeside will be sending its production to the USA.

edit - teeside not livingston.

[Marylandolorian]

With my family and friends, It looks like Moderna has stronger side effects on the first shot than the Pfizer.

NOVAVAX might be approved by the end of April- beginning of May, effectiveness is about the same than Pfzr and Moderna. UK might receive it first but our Governor claims our state should get it first as the company is in Maryland. ( I don’t know which smiley to put)

Good luck to your governer convincing the UK that after investing, running phase 3 trials in the UK, and producing it in the UK, that we should export it all to Maryland :D. I'm sure they'll be producing in the USA too.

If think the first part when I said the uk might get it first was more interesting but to continue on your tone; Novavax is based in Maryland with facilities in Sweden and Czech rep.nothing in the UK the money comes from the US, Melinda and Bill and the CEPI .

WE PRODUCE OUR OWN

[Biffer]

With my family and friends, It looks like Moderna has stronger side effects on the first shot than the Pfizer.

NOVAVAX might be approved by the end of April- beginning of May, effectiveness is about the same than Pfzr and Moderna. UK might receive it first but our Governor claims our state should get it first as the company is in Maryland. ( I don’t know which smiley to put)

Good luck to your governer convincing the UK that after investing, running phase 3 trials in the UK, and producing it in the UK, that we should export it all to Maryland :D. I'm sure they'll be producing in the USA too.

If think the first part when I said the uk might get it first was more interesting but to continue on your tone; Novavax is based in Maryland with facilities in Sweden and Czech rep.nothing in the UK the money comes from the US, Melinda and Bill and the CEPI .

Also a production plant in the UK

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/ ... -uk-trial/

edit - wrong link

[Raggs]

As others have pointed out, they've got a factory producing vaccine 24/7 right now in the UK.

[Saint]

Novavax is being churned out all over the place - including in Europe, despite them not applying for an EU license or entering into a supply contract. I have no idea what the EU's response will be to a vaccine being produced inside the EU which they can't use as the company refuses to sell it to them

[Marylandolorian]

As others have pointed out, they've got a factory producing vaccine 24/7 right now in the UK.

Ok, link ? not looking for a shit fight, I looked and didn’t see any.

[Saint]

As others have pointed out, they've got a factory producing vaccine 24/7 right now in the UK.

Ok, link ? not looking for a shit fight, I looked and didn’t see any.

It's contracted out to Fujifilm Diosynth

[Raggs]

As others have pointed out, they've got a factory producing vaccine 24/7 right now in the UK.

Ok, link ? not looking for a shit fight, I looked and didn’t see any.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... made-there

[Glaston]

4 warmish sunny days next week. Some areas up to 18c.

Thats going to test the lockdown

[Saint]

4 warmish sunny days next week. Some areas up to 18c.

Thats going to test the lockdown

Rule of 6 outdoors restarts on Monday

[Saint]

Day and a half since Mrs Saint got Pfizer 2. Goes from cold sweats to hot sweats, and her arm looks like one big red rash. Taking paracetamol and ibuprofen as if it's candy.

Doesn't sound as bad as man-flu tbh

[Saint]

Just when you think the adults in the room have calmed things down, the French do their best to pour napalm on the fire

What has France said?
On Friday, Mr Le Drian said the EU "shouldn't be paying the price" for the UK's vaccination policy.

He also criticised its approach to purchasing jabs, suggesting the UK was under pressure because it lacked enough doses to supply second shots.

"The United Kingdom has taken great pride in vaccinating well with the first dose except they have a problem with the second dose," he said.

"One can't play with blackmail," he added. "You can't be playing like this."

[tc27]

[Saint]

TBH I'm far more bothered about Brazil. I have a horrible suspicion that we're about to see the complete collapse of a nation state, and due to Covid the rest of the world won't be in a position to mount a proper humanitarian response. It's going to get extremely bad

[Slick]

A couple of mates of mine (under 50) in London have been called in and had their jabs, they seem to be flying down there

[Biffer]

Mine scheduled for 6th April. I'm 50.

[Slick]

Mine scheduled for 6th April. I'm 50.

Have you got the letter? I saw I should get the first between 6th and 19th which is great