Springbokke next 4 years to 2027

[handyman]

I'm also no fan of Frans Steyn at 10. 12 or 15.

[assfly]

Yep. 10 is our biggest weakness right now. Without Pollard it all goes belly-up.

There is talent in the pipeline: Jantjies, Bosch, Willemse...but they are all flakey players with close to zero BMT.
I'd almost draft in Morne Steyn, just because I have so little faith an any of those guys.

I agree on all of that. The only other option I can think of is Goosen, as he's been playing up north for so long now and us used to the players and opposition. But I've got no idea what sort of form he is in.

[handyman]

Get Pienaar to play 10 for the Cheetahs. Let's see how he goes.

[boere wors]

Get Pienaar to play 10 for the Cheetahs. Let's see how he goes.

very good

[Blake]

Yep. 10 is our biggest weakness right now. Without Pollard it all goes belly-up.

There is talent in the pipeline: Jantjies, Bosch, Willemse...but they are all flakey players with close to zero BMT.
I'd almost draft in Morne Steyn, just because I have so little faith an any of those guys.

I agree on all of that. The only other option I can think of is Goosen, as he's been playing up north for so long now and us used to the players and opposition. But I've got no idea what sort of form he is in.

Has The Goose played any topflight rugby since December 2016 when he just came home while still under contract with Racing 92?
He had just signed an contract extension until 2020, and then buggered off home because he wasn't happy in Paris.

I could be wrong, but I think part of his agreement with them (so that he couldn't be sued for breach of contract) was that he would "retire" and not be allowed to play pro rugby again until 2020...or something like that.

[assfly]

Has The Goose played any topflight rugby since December 2016 when he just came home while still under contract with Racing 92?
He had just signed an contract extension until 2020, and then buggered off home because he wasn't happy in Paris.

I could be wrong, but I think part of his agreement with them (so that he couldn't be sued for breach of contract) was that he would "retire" and not be allowed to play pro rugby again until 2020...or something like that.

He joined Montpellier a couple of years ago and has been playing flyhalf. But I have no idea what form he is in.

[sorCrer]

Has The Goose played any topflight rugby since December 2016 when he just came home while still under contract with Racing 92?
He had just signed an contract extension until 2020, and then buggered off home because he wasn't happy in Paris.

I could be wrong, but I think part of his agreement with them (so that he couldn't be sued for breach of contract) was that he would "retire" and not be allowed to play pro rugby again until 2020...or something like that.

He joined Montpellier a couple of years ago and has been playing flyhalf. But I have no idea what form he is in.

Supposed to have signed for the Bull's when Morne ends this year. Dunno if that has fallen through.

[OomStruisbaai]

Daily maverick

The powershift in rugby towards the northern hemisphere took a further leap forward this week with confirmation that the Six Nations had concluded a multibillion-rand equity sale.
“They [the northern hemisphere] have left us behind now.” That was the view of a well-placed source in South African rugby shortly after the news that the Six Nations had sold a 14.3% stake to private equity firm CVC Capital Partners for a reported £365-million.
It means a guaranteed cash injection of £95-million for the Rugby Football Union (RFU) over the next five years and about half that for the Welsh, Irish and Scottish rugby unions. France will also receive £95-million.

The Six Nations purchase was CVC Capital Partners’ third acquisition in European rugby along with portions in PRO14 (soon to be PRO16) and the English Premiership, in which it holds stakes of 28% and 27%, respectively.

With shares in three high-profile rugby properties totalling more than £700-million, CVC’s cash will strengthen those leagues immeasurably and it takes them a step closer to global control of rugby.

“CVC’s expertise will help to grow rugby union through the evolution of improved competitions and events, and the growth of a more diverse fan base,” said Bill Sweeney, the RFU chief executive.

“CVC capital of around £95-million over the next five years will allow the RFU to invest in revenue-generating activity to continue to support the community and professional game for many years to come.”

SA Rugby Union (Saru) has been in talks with the Luxembourg-based CVC for months, but according to insiders still has some way to go towards concluding a deal for up to as much as a 20% stake in the union.

With South Africa’s leading four teams – the Bulls, Lions, Sharks and Stormers – about to enter PRO16, there is still a lot of paperwork to be concluded on that move before a separate CVC deal becomes a reality.

But it will happen, barring an unexpected breakdown of negotiations.

Aligning with the north, commercially at least, has been the chosen direction by SA Rugby, and there is good reason. The northern hemisphere (mainly through Six Nations) currently creates 64% of the global rugby industry’s commercial value. The ultimate goal for SA Rugby is to have the Springboks included in the Six Nations by 2024.

The pathway to that happening is by playing at club level in PRO Rugby, and then elevating that to European Cup competitions (the equivalent of football’s Champions League).

Equity buyouts are the future

SA Rugby chief executive Jurie Roux has made no secret of the fact that his organisation is actively seeking an equity partner, which has become more urgent owing to losses as a result of the Covid-19 pandemic.

New Zealand Rugby, for instance, is reportedly in advanced talks with the California-based buyout firm Silver Lake to sell a 15% stake in the All Blacks for $330-million. But that could be a ruse in its negotiations with CVC to drive up the price.

CVC’s goal is to capture all of rugby’s most valuable properties under one umbrella, and that has to include the All Blacks, so it can neatly package the broadcast rights to the sport for maximum commercial gain.

SA Rugby is hoping to conclude the CVC deal in the coming months while the Springboks are reigning world champions, which has a positive effect on the organisation’s value.

SA Rugby won’t be able to command a fee as high as the combined Six Nations, but its strategic realignment towards Europe has been driven by the need to attract a deep-pocketed equity partner.

At its last General Council meeting in late 2020, a future blueprint for SA Rugby was presented and it was quite clear that private funding was needed. The impact of the pandemic means that a cash injection in excess of R1-billion will repair some of the damage caused by Covid-19 and allow some financial sustainability in the medium term.

Plans have already been presented for a new nine-person board with an independent chairperson, four SA Rugby nominees, a CEO and three directors from the equity partner. The framework is in place and has been agreed in principle. All it needs now is to conclude the deal with CVC.

Commercial value

But companies such as CVC are not in it for the love of the game, or its values, which the rugby fraternity often trots out as a reason to play or watch the sport.

CVC and others like it are essentially hedge funds with an interest in buying distressed assets, creating value and selling at a profit. It’s that basic.

Covid-19 has created more willing sellers, at bargain prices, for stealthy equity firms that have the liquidity to step into this market.

“There is not a union in the world [that] is not talking to different potential equity partners right now,” Roux said last year. “Within the sporting environment, there are only four or five (equity firms) [that] are interested. They are here to stay. You are either an early joiner, or late joiner, but join you will. They believe that with their expertise, they will be able to drive the commercial value higher for more profit every month. Because they pay in a lump sum upfront, they take a dividend of the component’s value every year.

“They would not be getting into a business if they did not believe that they could drive the commercial value of the company higher. Private equity also doesn’t get bogged down in decisions based on sentiment and politics, which are not always rugby-related – it’s all about value and it drives you to the correct business decision.

“So, for example, you would not have a 16-team Currie Cup competition if there was no commercial value in it. The commercial value would be put on the table. If a sponsor is willing to pay R10-million for a 16-team Currie Cup competition, or R110-million for a double-round, six-team competition, which option do you think you should go for? There is no other decision than the commercial decision in their eyes. They stay out of rugby decisions and have no influence on selections of the national teams. They exist to drive your commercial value.”

CVC is no stranger to investing in sport and in rugby. It previously owned Formula One (F1) and MotoGP, building them into global behemoths before selling them off at huge profits.

In the case of F1, CVC purchased a majority stake in the organisation for $1.4-billion in 2006 and sold it to the American-based Liberty Investments in 2016 for $8-billion.

CVC built that value through taking F1 off terrestrial television and putting it behind a paywall, which led to a massive drop-off in viewership, but not in value.

In SA that is not such a huge issue because rugby has always been behind a paywall with SuperSport owning the broadcast rights. Any deal with CVC would ensure it stays there and, if anything, becomes more expensive for the consumer.

In theory, that is good for rugby, but it will come at a cost for fans because it means charging more to broadcasters and sponsors for rights. In turn, broadcasters will need to recoup their outlay from fans and advertisers.

Private equity might save rugby and make it richer in the long term, but it will hit fans in the pocket.

[handyman]

I'm over all these admin and boardroom issues. Just do what is best for the game, for the players and for the fans.

[boere wors]

Certainly that is going to the NH. Pro16 to come, 6N the next step. I have to say, an annual 6N with SA, ENG, FRA, WAL, IRE and SCO would just be epic.

[assfly]

Anyone know what the Bok schedule looks like after the Lions tour? Are we still playing in the Rugby Championship?

[OomStruisbaai]

Yes we do. We,ll play The All Blacks twice in NZ , Wallabies twice in SA and Pumas home and away

[Lemoentjie]

Yes we do. We,ll play The All Blacks twice in NZ , Wallabies twice in SA and Pumas home and away

What a year of rugby this will be. Can't wait.

[FalseBayFC]

Am now completely over the idea of Elton at Bok flyhalf. He peaked during Ackerman's 2016/17/18 Lions seasons. The fact that he is not even taking kicks at goal is indicative of his loss of form and confidence. In the absence of Handre we will have to go with Moernaai. I can't believe that Frans Steyn is probably our next best bet at 10. Maybe him and Faf could share kicking duties. Faf does kick for posts at Sale.

[SaintK]

Am now completely over the idea of Elton at Bok flyhalf. He peaked during Ackerman's 2016/17/18 Lions seasons. The fact that he is not even taking kicks at goal is indicative of his loss of form and confidence. In the absence of Handre we will have to go with Moernaai. I can't believe that Frans Steyn is probably our next best bet at 10. Maybe him and Faf could share kicking duties. Faf does kick for posts at Sale.

Never seen him take a kick in a Prem match
MacGinty, du Preez and James take the kicks

[OomStruisbaai]

Am now completely over the idea of Elton at Bok flyhalf. He peaked during Ackerman's 2016/17/18 Lions seasons. The fact that he is not even taking kicks at goal is indicative of his loss of form and confidence. In the absence of Handre we will have to go with Moernaai. I can't believe that Frans Steyn is probably our next best bet at 10. Maybe him and Faf could share kicking duties. Faf does kick for posts at Sale.

Jantjies & Morne were pathetic this weekend.

[FalseBayFC]

Am now completely over the idea of Elton at Bok flyhalf. He peaked during Ackerman's 2016/17/18 Lions seasons. The fact that he is not even taking kicks at goal is indicative of his loss of form and confidence. In the absence of Handre we will have to go with Moernaai. I can't believe that Frans Steyn is probably our next best bet at 10. Maybe him and Faf could share kicking duties. Faf does kick for posts at Sale.

Never seen him take a kick in a Prem match
MacGinty, du Preez and James take the kicks

Yes for some reason I thought he kicked more regularly and more successfully for Sale. 2017/18/19 he kicked 38/63 for goal for Sale which is a 60% strike rate. Not the kicker we need during a crunch series with the Lions.

[SaintK]

Am now completely over the idea of Elton at Bok flyhalf. He peaked during Ackerman's 2016/17/18 Lions seasons. The fact that he is not even taking kicks at goal is indicative of his loss of form and confidence. In the absence of Handre we will have to go with Moernaai. I can't believe that Frans Steyn is probably our next best bet at 10. Maybe him and Faf could share kicking duties. Faf does kick for posts at Sale.

Never seen him take a kick in a Prem match
MacGinty, du Preez and James take the kicks

Yes for some reason I thought he kicked more regularly and more successfully for Sale. 2017/18/19 he kicked 38/63 for goal for Sale which is a 60% strike rate. Not the kicker we need during a crunch series with the Lions.

I stand corrected!
My ageing memory fails me.....again.

[Fangle]

There is no way I can see Frans at fly half for the Bokke. His reflexes are just a fraction too slow for that position, and always have been.

[Sandstorm]

Am now completely over the idea of Elton at Bok flyhalf. He peaked during Ackerman's 2016/17/18 Lions seasons. The fact that he is not even taking kicks at goal is indicative of his loss of form and confidence. In the absence of Handre we will have to go with Moernaai. I can't believe that Frans Steyn is probably our next best bet at 10. Maybe him and Faf could share kicking duties. Faf does kick for posts at Sale.

Jantjies & Morne were pathetic this weekend.

Wake up guys. Both are saving their bodies for Lions duty already. Morne ducked tackles for fun. Maybe even under orders from Rassie.

[handyman]

There is no way I can see Frans at fly half for the Bokke. His reflexes are just a fraction too slow for that position, and always have been.

That's the long and the short of it.

[FalseBayFC]

Am now completely over the idea of Elton at Bok flyhalf. He peaked during Ackerman's 2016/17/18 Lions seasons. The fact that he is not even taking kicks at goal is indicative of his loss of form and confidence. In the absence of Handre we will have to go with Moernaai. I can't believe that Frans Steyn is probably our next best bet at 10. Maybe him and Faf could share kicking duties. Faf does kick for posts at Sale.

Jantjies & Morne were pathetic this weekend.

Wake up guys. Both are saving their bodies for Lions duty already. Morne ducked tackles for fun. Maybe even under orders from Rassie.

Good point.
No.10 is absolutely our Achilles Heel. Handre is that good that should his knee be stable by July, we could risk playing him on a minimal number of playing minutes.

Bosch and Willemse not being used too much at flyhalf during this little series, they're both flaky as fudge like Blake said. So we're down to Pollard, Morne, and Elton in that order. I have a feeling the series will be so close that goal kicking will be the difference.

Francois Steyn needs to start practicing his 60m bombs. He could go down in history as winner of two world cups, two victorious series against Lions, he will go down as the greatest supersub in rugby history.

[handyman]

What is Rob du Preez's form like and is he playing fly?

[assfly]

What is Rob du Preez's form like and is he playing fly?

Been playing second fiddle to AJ McGinty most of the season. But started this weekend and played very well, kicked the winning points. Don't think he's in serious contention for the Boks.

[handyman]

What is Rob du Preez's form like and is he playing fly?

Been playing second fiddle to AJ McGinty most of the season. But started this weekend and played very well, kicked the winning points. Don't think he's in serious contention for the Boks.

Eish, we are in trouble.

[handyman]

Send a sos sms to Pat Lambie.

[assfly]

Send a sos sms to Pat Lambie.

With his concussion he'll probably think your referring to the Police song

[handyman]

Send a sos sms to Pat Lambie.

With his concussion he'll probably think your referring to the Police song

An unfit Lambie with major concussion will still be better than the lot we're stuck with.

[boere wors]

Send a sos sms to Pat Lambie.

With his concussion he'll probably think your referring to the Police song

[OomStruisbaai]

Anyone know what the Bok schedule looks like after the Lions tour? Are we still playing in the Rugby Championship?

https://www.notplanetrugby.com/viewtopi ... bies+twice

[boere wors]

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/freak- ... -lions/

Lood out with a broken leg, in doubt for Lions. With RG in a race against time as well, we can only hope Eben and Franco stay fit. Who would be the backup for those two??

[Sandstorm]

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/freak- ... -lions/

Lood out with a broken leg, in doubt for Lions.

Always happens with an inform Bok just before a major tournament

[Chilli]

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/freak- ... -lions/

Lood out with a broken leg, in doubt for Lions. With RG in a race against time as well, we can only hope Eben and Franco stay fit. Who would be the backup for those two??

Salaam Moerat and JD Scherzinger?

[Blake]

After the 4 World Cup locks I don’t think the next players in-line are up to scratch yet TBH.

None of the crop after the 4 front runners really set the world alight. We might have to consider bringing in a tall loosie...like one of the Du Preez twins.

[OomStruisbaai]

After the 4 World Cup locks I don’t think the next players in-line are up to scratch yet TBH.

None of the crop after the 4 front runners really set the world alight. We might have to consider bringing in a tall loosie...like one of the Du Preez twins.

Ag nee vok man.

[Blake]

It’s true Oom. The standard of the local rugby has been sub-par compared to what I’ve watched coming out of Europe.

The European-based players have been playing more rugby at a higher standard than our boys. None of the locks playing locally have been standouts. Some good performances here and there, but nothing worthy of bringing them into the fold leading up to the Lions Tour.

The Du Preez twins have been playing well in England and would be my choice at the moment.

[OomStruisbaai]

That Tukkies lock Cronje? is fine. Plus we have marvoulis Marvin also vd Mest will be a Bok in future. rough diamond.

[Blake]

That Tukkies lock Cronje? is fine. Plus we have marvoulis Marvin also vd Mest will be a Bok in future. rough diamond.

So upjump a Varsity Cup level player right into the mix for the Lions? You are senile.

Marvin is a penalty magnet. JJ vd Mescht is a moron. Impressive physical specimen for sure, but he seems like a dimmer, doughier version of Danie Roussouw. Diamond in the rough maybe, but then he needs to get polished in Currie Cup or Super Rugby.

I stand by my opinion that if Lood is out, that a Du Preez brother should be next in line.

[OomStruisbaai]

That Tukkies lock Cronje? is fine. Plus we have marvoulis Marvin also vd Mest will be a Bok in future. rough diamond.

So upjump a Varsity Cup level player right into the mix for the Lions? You are senile.

Marvin is a penalty magnet. JJ vd Mescht is a moron. Impressive physical specimen for sure, but he seems like a dimmer, doughier version of Danie Roussouw. Diamond in the rough maybe, but then he needs to get polished in Currie Cup or Super Rugby.

I stand by my opinion that if Lood is out, that a Du Preez brother should be next in line.

He play for the Bulls. Very good aerial lock. The du Preezs are proven kak. Then rather go for Quin Roux from Munster.

[sunnybanana]

We have the greatest depth of quality locks in the world.
Schickerling, Jenkins and Ruan Botha could all play test rugby tomorrow. They’d walk into other national teams.
Then you have the seemingly off the radar guys like Nico Janse van Rensburg and Jaques du Plessis at Montpelier.
Dave Ribbans at Northampton will play for England if we don’t cap him 1st. And then of course there’s Marvellous Marvin