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fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 2:39 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 2:17 pm

A winter crisis but in summer.

i.e. not a crisis at all, but the new normal, with a gradual slide downwards, as NHS workers get fed up, & emigrate

dpedin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 3:30 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 2:39 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 2:17 pm

A winter crisis but in summer.

i.e. not a crisis at all, but the new normal, with a gradual slide downwards, as NHS workers get fed up, & emigrate

NHS hitting the obvious and predictable wall with its workforce.

- NHS pay has fallen dramatically in recent years and is well below what it was in real and relative terms 12 years ago once inflation is taken into account.
- Lots of NHS workers stayed on or returned beyond retirement to help out during covid. They are now leaving.
- The baby boom peak of staff is still working its way through the workforce and the nursing and midwifery workforces are worst hit with higher age profiles and retiral rates.
- Brexit put barriers in place for new EU recruitment and existing EU staff faced with increased costs of staying and living in this country plus the 'we don't want you' messaging.
- The pension changes are hitting hard - the NHS implemented the current scheme illegally according to the courts (age discrimination) and have had to do a fix which meant many could take opportunity to retire earlier than planned and worktheir final years via banks and agencies instead of being tied into a 67 retiral age. Also the pension taxation rules restricting both annual and lifetime pension pot accruals, particularly the lifetime allowance being fixed for 5 years, is hitting older higher paid staff, mostly consultants, who are all being advised to reduce working hours to avoid crippling HMRC bills. I have mates who got £25k HMRC bills this year. Any inflation matching pay increase for this cohort will mean huge HMRC bills as pension is based on ave salary and years service.
- Many staff are just knackered and have left due to the sheer toil and unremitting toll of working through covid, many have serious mental health issues as a result.
- NHS staff were disproportionately hit by covid and many died, many of their colleagues have watched this with their own inadequate PPE and support and thought why should they expose themselves to this?
- The UK Gov is not training enough doctors, dentists, nurses and midwives to sustain the current workforce let alone get us to the levels of staffing seen elsewhere in the UK. Why - to save money, don't believe the lack of training capacity nonsense, it could be done.
- Many junior or newly qualified staff leave asap to work abroad to get better pay or working conditions.

I could go on. I know of some hospitals with 25% nursing vacancy rates with no hope of recruitment to fill all the gaps - what does this mean - beds/wards closed and theatres and surgeons sitting idle as there are no theatre staff. All this was entirely predicable before and during the pandemic. It is easy to model and indeed modelling has been done. Why hasn't something been done - cost and, particularly in England, a political determination to run down the NHSand nudge patients into the private sector. However they forget the private sector does no training of doctors, dentists, nurses and midwives so where the feck the private sector is going to get its workforce when he NHS collapses god only knows! It is a shitshow of enormous proportions!

dpedin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:02 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:47 am This isn’t a genuine idea, it’s a flood the zone with shit tactic.

Agreed - just bollox! I can imagine the GPs and the RCGP being really pleased that they are now responsible for financial assessments of patients as well as their medical needs. All they will need is a quick 2 day training programme to become a financial advisor and then off they go. Just utter hogwash.

pigsy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:33 pm Government cut med school places by 30%
This year because they are expensive....no long term planning. Many of the candidates I know this year are just going to shove off and so something different

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 9:46 pm It was interesting to see the Govester trash Dizzy Lizzys financial fantasies today. I suppose it isn't surprising, because people have been commenting for the last couple of years, that this isn't the time to be PM.

It feels increasingly like the brighter ones in the Tory Party, are positioning themselves to be in the next Leadership race, because (a) this one is done, & (b) the life expectancy of Liz's is about the same as one of those Goldfish you win at the Fair; & after that, even if Labour win, they'll be under enormous pressure from inside, & out, & I wouldn't be shocked if they only lasted 2-3 years.

In summary; shit time to be PM for the next 3-4 years, & even the Bumblecunt will be fancying his chances of being the next Tory Leader

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:30 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 9:46 pm It was interesting to see the Govester trash Dizzy Lizzys financial fantasies today. I suppose it isn't surprising, because people have been commenting for the last couple of years, that this isn't the time to be PM.

It feels increasingly like the brighter ones in the Tory Party, are positioning themselves to be in the next Leadership race, because (a) this one is done, & (b) the life expectancy of Liz's is about the same as one of those Goldfish you win at the Fair; & after that, even if Labour win, they'll be under enormous pressure from inside, & out, & I wouldn't be shocked if they only lasted 2-3 years.

In summary; shit time to be PM for the next 3-4 years, & even the Bumblecunt will be fancying his chances of being the next Tory Leader

Yes, it was pretty obvious right from the beginning that no one with anything about them, either good or bad, had any interest in this race. It's a very temporary position

Tory leadership frontrunner Liz Truss could give the government a double-figure bounce in the polls once she is installed in No 10, according to internal Labour analysis.
A memo drawn up by Keir Starmer’s director of strategy, Deborah Mattinson, claimed the foreign secretary could dramatically improve Conservative fortunes.
The document, dated 18 August and leaked to the Guardian, comes amid speculation that Truss could be tempted to capitalise on the upswing and call a snap general election.

SaintK wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:37 am

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:30 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 9:46 pm It was interesting to see the Govester trash Dizzy Lizzys financial fantasies today. I suppose it isn't surprising, because people have been commenting for the last couple of years, that this isn't the time to be PM.

It feels increasingly like the brighter ones in the Tory Party, are positioning themselves to be in the next Leadership race, because (a) this one is done, & (b) the life expectancy of Liz's is about the same as one of those Goldfish you win at the Fair; & after that, even if Labour win, they'll be under enormous pressure from inside, & out, & I wouldn't be shocked if they only lasted 2-3 years.

In summary; shit time to be PM for the next 3-4 years, & even the Bumblecunt will be fancying his chances of being the next Tory Leader

Yes, it was pretty obvious right from the beginning that no one with anything about them, either good or bad, had any interest in this race. It's a very temporary position

Don't count your chickens

Tory leadership frontrunner Liz Truss could give the government a double-figure bounce in the polls once she is installed in No 10, according to internal Labour analysis.
A memo drawn up by Keir Starmer’s director of strategy, Deborah Mattinson, claimed the foreign secretary could dramatically improve Conservative fortunes.
The document, dated 18 August and leaked to the Guardian, comes amid speculation that Truss could be tempted to capitalise on the upswing and call a snap general election.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:43 am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62626774

So even the massive number of times, we know sewage was pumped into watercourses, & the sea, is probably a low number, because the Water companies deliberately don't want to know the actual number of times

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:43 am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62626774

So even the massive number of times, we know sewage was pumped into watercourses, & the sea, is probably a low number, because the Water companies deliberately don't want to know the actual number of times

SaintK wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:23 pmWibble!

SaintK wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:23 pmWibble!

dpedin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:45 pm I would suggest there is little argument that the current Gov policies strike a balance between profit/enriching the rich and the health of the nation that is ever so slightly biased in favour of profit and the rich! Whether it is underfunding the NHS, keeping pensions and UC below the levels required to live healthily, dumping polio and e-coli rich sewage into our rivers and seas, refusing to put in place legislation to ensure housing is habitable, subsidising big business labour costs by topping up wages or using the old 'nanny state' argument to stop implementing sensible PH policies to prevent smoking, obesity, etc - they are all designed to ensure profits get bigger, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and less healthy. The enrichment of their buddies during the covid pandemic was just the prime example of how profit trumps public health for this Gov. Retrospective studies looking at hard data such as the ones quoted above just prove the point. I suspect the public have reached tipping point with all the shit in the rivers and seas and realise this Gov are taking the piss, literally.

Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:11 pm The only way we get rid of tories is if there is absolutely nothing for them to exploit...so let's turn this nation back 1000 years to a nation where we live until we are fourteen...unless we want to study the crossbow..then the wealthy fuck ups will have some sort of use for us..

Frankly we can debate this stuff for the next 900 years, but they have sociologists, scientists, psychologists, the media all working for them using and weoponising your inadequacies aginst you.
You lost.
You underestimated them.
Refused to murder them..now they are killing us, and they / you don't even accept they are..

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:14 pm The #TurdReich are not happy they're trending #TorySewageParty

sefton wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 6:11 pm Economists at Citi are now predicting inflation at 18%+, the highest level since the mid 70’s.

Criminal barristers in England and Wales vote to go on all-out strike

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 8:14 pm The #TurdReich are not happy they're trending #TorySewageParty

The Tory leadership frontrunner, Liz Truss, was responsible for cutting millions of pounds of funding earmarked for tackling water pollution during her time as environment secretary, the Guardian can reveal.
Truss, who was in charge at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) between 2014 and 2016, oversaw “efficiency” plans set out in the 2015 spending review to reduce Environment Agency funding by £235m.
This included a £24m cut from a government grant for environmental protection, including surveillance of water companies to prevent the dumping of raw sewage, between 2014-15 and 2016-17, according to the National Audit Office.

sefton wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 6:11 pm Economists at Citi are now predicting inflation at 18%+, the highest level since the mid 70’s.

Citi predicted that the UK’s retail energy price cap would be raised to £4,567 in January and then £5,816 in April, compared with the current level of £1,971 a year

Citi predicted that the UK’s retail energy price cap would be raised to £4,567 in January and then £5,816 in April, compared with the current level of £1,971 a year

lemonhead wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:31 am

Citi predicted that the UK’s retail energy price cap would be raised to £4,567 in January and then £5,816 in April, compared with the current level of £1,971 a year

What's the government/temorary admin assistant's position on this - if they have one?

Surely they'll kick the can squarely down the road, that's civil unrest territory.

We face, despite the support that the government has already announced, a dramatic and catastrophic winter for our customers.
In fact, in January half of the UK households might be in fuel poverty. That’s the reason why we want to take actions in order to do everything we can do in order to help our customers.

lemonhead wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:31 am

Citi predicted that the UK’s retail energy price cap would be raised to £4,567 in January and then £5,816 in April, compared with the current level of £1,971 a year

What's the government/temorary admin assistant's position on this - if they have one?

Surely they'll kick the can squarely down the road, that's civil unrest territory.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:30 am

lemonhead wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:31 am

Citi predicted that the UK’s retail energy price cap would be raised to £4,567 in January and then £5,816 in April, compared with the current level of £1,971 a year

What's the government/temorary admin assistant's position on this - if they have one?

Surely they'll kick the can squarely down the road, that's civil unrest territory.

Perhaps they decided we just need to suffer for our own good. Cue a speech in one year from a Cabinet Lackwit quoting "yes it hurt, yes it worked"...

I like neeps wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:33 am

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:30 am

lemonhead wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:31 am

What's the government/temorary admin assistant's position on this - if they have one?

Surely they'll kick the can squarely down the road, that's civil unrest territory.

Perhaps they decided we just need to suffer for our own good. Cue a speech in one year from a Cabinet Lackwit quoting "yes it hurt, yes it worked"...

They won't though. Opinion polls for the government in winter are going to be absolutely brutal and their line won't hold. They'll freeze the cap (I reckon at a very uncomfortable £3000).

SaintK wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 4:38 pm

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dpedin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:54 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:33 am

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:30 am

Perhaps they decided we just need to suffer for our own good. Cue a speech in one year from a Cabinet Lackwit quoting "yes it hurt, yes it worked"...

They won't though. Opinion polls for the government in winter are going to be absolutely brutal and their line won't hold. They'll freeze the cap (I reckon at a very uncomfortable £3000).

The Tory Twats are obviously holding back any planned help on the basis that their shiny new PM Truss will come riding in on her white charger and rescue the poor public with, in her words, a hand out that will save the day. However I suspect they will underestimate the scale of the problem and just make matters worse. The damage has done, the shit in the sea has consigned them to being flushed away pretty quickly now.

Mahoney wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:20 am This is brutal. Basically, post-pandemic England & Wales are getting up to 500 excess deaths a week in a way that no other European country is, because of the collapse of emergency care

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:48 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 10:14 amThis is my new thing. I’ve joined 3 local campaign groups in the last couple of weeks and volunteering my time and political networks to help where I can. The state of our seas and waterways makes me fume and it’s doesn’t seem to me to be a particularly difficult thing to sort out of there was any will.

In saying that, seeing the fucking state of the beach the morning after a warm night makes me wonder how many people actually give a shit, it’s quite depressing

Good on you.

On your final point, I read some interesting theories by people recently that there's a sense of "giving up" leading to a breakdown in the social contract. England's government hasn't bothered to do jack shit for the people for a long time, everyone feels like life is getting worse and that there's no real hope, and as a result there's no pride in the country or the environment. It's quite a nihilistic viewpoint but having spent a bit of time abroad and in some of England's less populous areas the difference is stark; England is fucking depressing.

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 3:25 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:48 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 10:14 amThis is my new thing. I’ve joined 3 local campaign groups in the last couple of weeks and volunteering my time and political networks to help where I can. The state of our seas and waterways makes me fume and it’s doesn’t seem to me to be a particularly difficult thing to sort out of there was any will.

In saying that, seeing the fucking state of the beach the morning after a warm night makes me wonder how many people actually give a shit, it’s quite depressing

Good on you.

On your final point, I read some interesting theories by people recently that there's a sense of "giving up" leading to a breakdown in the social contract. England's government hasn't bothered to do jack shit for the people for a long time, everyone feels like life is getting worse and that there's no real hope, and as a result there's no pride in the country or the environment. It's quite a nihilistic viewpoint but having spent a bit of time abroad and in some of England's less populous areas the difference is stark; England is fucking depressing.

I've had to leave one already because they are idiots

After serving as environment secretary, Truss spent a year as justice secretary and lord chancellor. Her performance in that job has also come under fire too. In an interview with the House magazine to mark his retirement from the House of Lords at the age of 95, Lord Mackay of Clashfern, a very distinguished former Conservative lord chancellor, said that non-lawyers like Truss and Chris Grayling were not suited to the role. He went on:

I don’t know that Liz Truss had any idea of how legal aid was done either, when she was lord chancellor and justice secretary. You really need to know something about it.