NPR

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:06 pm Embra v Munster

Schoey, Harrison, de Bruin, Hodgson, Gilchrist, Ritchie, Crosbie, Mata
Vellacott, Kinghorn, vd Merwe, Dean, Bennett, Graham, Goosen
Cruse, Venter, Nel, Sykes, Haining, Shiel, vd Walt, Lang


Munster: Shane Daly; Calvin Nash, Antoine Frisch, Rory Scannell, Simon Zebo; Joey Carbery, Craig Casey; Jeremy Loughman, Niall Scannell, John Ryan; Jean Kleyn, Tadhg Beirne; Peter O’Mahony (C), John Hodnett, Gavin Coombes.
Diarmuid Barron, Josh Wycherley, Roman Salanoa, Jack O’Donoghue, Alex Kendellen, Paddy Patterson, Jack Crowley, Patrick Campbell.

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:28 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:06 pm Embra v Munster

Schoey, Harrison, de Bruin, Hodgson, Gilchrist, Ritchie, Crosbie, Mata
Vellacott, Kinghorn, vd Merwe, Dean, Bennett, Graham, Goosen
Cruse, Venter, Nel, Sykes, Haining, Shiel, vd Walt, Lang


Munster: Shane Daly; Calvin Nash, Antoine Frisch, Rory Scannell, Simon Zebo; Joey Carbery, Craig Casey; Jeremy Loughman, Niall Scannell, John Ryan; Jean Kleyn, Tadhg Beirne; Peter O’Mahony (C), John Hodnett, Gavin Coombes.
Diarmuid Barron, Josh Wycherley, Roman Salanoa, Jack O’Donoghue, Alex Kendellen, Paddy Patterson, Jack Crowley, Patrick Campbell.

This feels like one of the games Edinburgh need to win if they are to convince they are moving forward

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:17 pm Some nice stuff being said about Doddie.

I've got my snood on for this - that's not a euphemism, btw.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:19 pm That was nice

robmatic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:21 pm I have been watching Kinghorn for God knows how many years now and I am still surprised by how quick he is. Great finish by Ritchie as well.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:24 pm You just don't win without the set piece.

I like Harrison, but maybe McBurney should come on for the second half

robmatic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:26 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:24 pm You just don't win without the set piece.

I like Harrison, but maybe McBurney should come on for the second half

The lad is only 20, he does still need time to work on the throwing. McBurney is injured, Tom Cruse is on the bench.

robmatic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:26 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:24 pm You just don't win without the set piece.

I like Harrison, but maybe McBurney should come on for the second half

The lad is only 20, he does still need time to work on the throwing. McBurney is injured, Tom Cruse is on the bench.

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 1:47 pm Just saw a clip of the Glasgow try. How on Earth did the officials let the game go ahead without declaring a kit clash? There’s about 2 shades of difference between the shirts!

charltom wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:50 am Just when I thought they might be beatable by Scotland in the 6N:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... ac-sacked/

Big D wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:02 pm

charltom wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:50 am Just when I thought they might be beatable by Scotland in the 6N:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... ac-sacked/

Has Townsend ever coached a side that's beaten a Gatland coached International side?

Fair play to Wales for being decisive.

Big D wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:02 pm

charltom wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:50 am Just when I thought they might be beatable by Scotland in the 6N:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... ac-sacked/

Has Townsend ever coached a side that's beaten a Gatland coached International side?

Fair play to Wales for being decisive.

Dogbert wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:58 pm Just a thought from the weekend games with Glasgow & Edinburgh

Both games (although Edinburgh were particularly awful) were strewn with basic errors, needless penalties and as Tichthead pointed out for the Edinburgh game- “That was fucking awful, but all too familiar. Soft underbelly? Soft top as well”

These players make the spine of the Scotland Team – The same players spend the vast majority of the time with Club coaches, rather than international coaches.

What real chance has Townsend got to change what seems to be acceptable in the club game, do we really expect international coaches for some magic switch to be flicked?

Dogbert wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:58 pm Just a thought from the weekend games with Glasgow & Edinburgh

Both games (although Edinburgh were particularly awful) were strewn with basic errors, needless penalties and as Tichthead pointed out for the Edinburgh game- “That was fucking awful, but all too familiar. Soft underbelly? Soft top as well”

These players make the spine of the Scotland Team – The same players spend the vast majority of the time with Club coaches, rather than international coaches.

What real chance has Townsend got to change what seems to be acceptable in the club game, do we really expect international coaches for some magic switch to be flicked?

Dogbert wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:58 pm Just a thought from the weekend games with Glasgow & Edinburgh

Both games (although Edinburgh were particularly awful) were strewn with basic errors, needless penalties and as Tichthead pointed out for the Edinburgh game- “That was fucking awful, but all too familiar. Soft underbelly? Soft top as well”

These players make the spine of the Scotland Team – The same players spend the vast majority of the time with Club coaches, rather than international coaches.

What real chance has Townsend got to change what seems to be acceptable in the club game, do we really expect international coaches for some magic switch to be flicked?

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:07 am

Dogbert wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:58 pm Just a thought from the weekend games with Glasgow & Edinburgh

Both games (although Edinburgh were particularly awful) were strewn with basic errors, needless penalties and as Tichthead pointed out for the Edinburgh game- “That was fucking awful, but all too familiar. Soft underbelly? Soft top as well”

These players make the spine of the Scotland Team – The same players spend the vast majority of the time with Club coaches, rather than international coaches.

What real chance has Townsend got to change what seems to be acceptable in the club game, do we really expect international coaches for some magic switch to be flicked?

I think there is some truth in this although it is meant to be the top players going to Toony and the system is meant to be more integrated anyway.

There does seem to be a lack of mental hardness though and I do get the feeling that is coming from the club coaches to an extent (bit early to judge Franco really). I'm getting a bit fed up of Blair telling us about the lessons learnt and the positives to take, it's a bullshit attitude and something you would never see from SA, NZ or now Ireland teams.

You hear a lot about how society has changed, and you need to treat young people coming through differently than used to be the case, and there is of course truth in that. However, rugby hasn't changed to that extent, it's still a game of attrition, power, bullying etc etc and I question how many of the players and coaches realise that. I'm going to sound like an old alikado here, but the celebrating after tries, including the benches, the wingers running 40 meters to join a collective scream after winning a scrum penalty, the play acting, finding time to moan at the ref etc just piss me off. Fucking 100% focus on the game for 80 minutes. I may be wrong here, but you just don't get all that nonsense to the same extend from the really good teams - apart from the Irish moaning of course.

You look at all the good Scottish teams and they all had some really hard bastards who just focussed on winning, nothing else, I don't see much of that anymore and that attitude must be coming from the day in day out coaching at club level and with so many folk around to pamper them.

As an aside, I do wonder if part of that is not having the after game bar culture any longer, where you focussed on the game for 80 minutes then had an hour or so after dissecting the game with your mates before bonding. It must be difficult in a game like rugby to play, get changed, go home and that's it. Again, maybe a prehistoric attitude, but as I said before, I don't think the realities of the game has moved as much as society.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:06 am

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:07 am

Dogbert wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:58 pm Just a thought from the weekend games with Glasgow & Edinburgh

Both games (although Edinburgh were particularly awful) were strewn with basic errors, needless penalties and as Tichthead pointed out for the Edinburgh game- “That was fucking awful, but all too familiar. Soft underbelly? Soft top as well”

These players make the spine of the Scotland Team – The same players spend the vast majority of the time with Club coaches, rather than international coaches.

What real chance has Townsend got to change what seems to be acceptable in the club game, do we really expect international coaches for some magic switch to be flicked?

I think there is some truth in this although it is meant to be the top players going to Toony and the system is meant to be more integrated anyway.

There does seem to be a lack of mental hardness though and I do get the feeling that is coming from the club coaches to an extent (bit early to judge Franco really). I'm getting a bit fed up of Blair telling us about the lessons learnt and the positives to take, it's a bullshit attitude and something you would never see from SA, NZ or now Ireland teams.

You hear a lot about how society has changed, and you need to treat young people coming through differently than used to be the case, and there is of course truth in that. However, rugby hasn't changed to that extent, it's still a game of attrition, power, bullying etc etc and I question how many of the players and coaches realise that. I'm going to sound like an old alikado here, but the celebrating after tries, including the benches, the wingers running 40 meters to join a collective scream after winning a scrum penalty, the play acting, finding time to moan at the ref etc just piss me off. Fucking 100% focus on the game for 80 minutes. I may be wrong here, but you just don't get all that nonsense to the same extend from the really good teams - apart from the Irish moaning of course.

You look at all the good Scottish teams and they all had some really hard bastards who just focussed on winning, nothing else, I don't see much of that anymore and that attitude must be coming from the day in day out coaching at club level and with so many folk around to pamper them.

As an aside, I do wonder if part of that is not having the after game bar culture any longer, where you focussed on the game for 80 minutes then had an hour or so after dissecting the game with your mates before bonding. It must be difficult in a game like rugby to play, get changed, go home and that's it. Again, maybe a prehistoric attitude, but as I said before, I don't think the realities of the game has moved as much as society.

I think that the bar point is very interesting because my mind went straight to Jim Hamilton who loves that stuff and was also a "hard bastard". I think he's indicative of Scotland's problems, our hard bastards just aren't as good as other countries. I actually think Fagersons, Ritchie, Crosbie, Watson, Schoeman, et al would fall into the hard bastard category and if they played for Munster or Ireland (if they got in the Ireland team) we'd all be saying ffs not that prick again.

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:15 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:06 am

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:07 am

I think there is some truth in this although it is meant to be the top players going to Toony and the system is meant to be more integrated anyway.

There does seem to be a lack of mental hardness though and I do get the feeling that is coming from the club coaches to an extent (bit early to judge Franco really). I'm getting a bit fed up of Blair telling us about the lessons learnt and the positives to take, it's a bullshit attitude and something you would never see from SA, NZ or now Ireland teams.

You hear a lot about how society has changed, and you need to treat young people coming through differently than used to be the case, and there is of course truth in that. However, rugby hasn't changed to that extent, it's still a game of attrition, power, bullying etc etc and I question how many of the players and coaches realise that. I'm going to sound like an old alikado here, but the celebrating after tries, including the benches, the wingers running 40 meters to join a collective scream after winning a scrum penalty, the play acting, finding time to moan at the ref etc just piss me off. Fucking 100% focus on the game for 80 minutes. I may be wrong here, but you just don't get all that nonsense to the same extend from the really good teams - apart from the Irish moaning of course.

You look at all the good Scottish teams and they all had some really hard bastards who just focussed on winning, nothing else, I don't see much of that anymore and that attitude must be coming from the day in day out coaching at club level and with so many folk around to pamper them.

As an aside, I do wonder if part of that is not having the after game bar culture any longer, where you focussed on the game for 80 minutes then had an hour or so after dissecting the game with your mates before bonding. It must be difficult in a game like rugby to play, get changed, go home and that's it. Again, maybe a prehistoric attitude, but as I said before, I don't think the realities of the game has moved as much as society.

I think that the bar point is very interesting because my mind went straight to Jim Hamilton who loves that stuff and was also a "hard bastard". I think he's indicative of Scotland's problems, our hard bastards just aren't as good as other countries. I actually think Fagersons, Ritchie, Crosbie, Watson, Schoeman, et al would fall into the hard bastard category and if they played for Munster or Ireland (if they got in the Ireland team) we'd all be saying ffs not that prick again.

Undoubtably hard men, maybe we need a distinction of nasty bastard. Ritchie has the makings of that

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:43 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:15 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:06 am

I think that the bar point is very interesting because my mind went straight to Jim Hamilton who loves that stuff and was also a "hard bastard". I think he's indicative of Scotland's problems, our hard bastards just aren't as good as other countries. I actually think Fagersons, Ritchie, Crosbie, Watson, Schoeman, et al would fall into the hard bastard category and if they played for Munster or Ireland (if they got in the Ireland team) we'd all be saying ffs not that prick again.

Undoubtably hard men, maybe we need a distinction of nasty bastard. Ritchie has the makings of that

Yeah, but we don't encourage it enough in the scottish system. Ritchie could be our O'mahony if his nasty bastard side was encouraged a bit.