NPR

My neighbour's name is Big Bruv

Is it OK if I share this forum with him. He loves rugby and apparently cooking.....

I think this is really good. Fuck going back. Hey!! I can say fuck again!!!

ASMO - are you looking to turn this into something you can get a few bucks from? For long term success, I think it’s important that there is some return for you - even if that’s not your primary driver.

I hope you do want to turn this into a business opportunity as it’s the only way I see this working.

Hi Towny

Absolutely no plans to monetise this place, I don't want adds cluttering and slowing the place down, this is a place where a bunch of like minded spiteful infants can come and be ......well spiteful infants without fear of their details being sold or pissing off advertisers. If it needs a bit more cash to run i have already had offers to help out by a number of bordies both publicly and privately (thank you for that). As things stand the costs i can absorb, but of course will keep a weather eye on them. I did offer to sell OS's details to grindr, but they already had them

Nice! Keen to see this work.

Someone earlier suggested a subscription to fund this place. That will kill it instantly - no one pays for stuff like this these days.

What’s the go with the advertising? If there was someone keen, would you get any of that revenue or does the platform get it all?

I would but it's a moot point, I am not going to sell out (unless PornHub comes a calling with a wad of cash )

towny wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:27 am Nice! Keen to see this work.

Someone earlier suggested a subscription to fund this place. That will kill it instantly - no one pays for stuff like this these days.

What’s the go with the advertising? If there was someone keen, would you get any of that revenue or does the platform get it all?

Wikipedia doesn’t have subscription and wishes to remain free to all. But they do fundraise. Maybe once a year ASMO posts a link and whoever wants to contribute gets some gorse out.

What sort of yearly cost is it to operate, outside of your time?

Mr Bungle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:39 am

towny wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:27 am Nice! Keen to see this work.

Someone earlier suggested a subscription to fund this place. That will kill it instantly - no one pays for stuff like this these days.

What’s the go with the advertising? If there was someone keen, would you get any of that revenue or does the platform get it all?

Wikipedia doesn’t have subscription and wishes to remain free to all. But they do fundraise. Maybe once a year ASMO posts a link and whoever wants to contribute gets some gorse out.

That’s not a bad idea.

What if we have "purge" day where you can pay for the right to wield the banhammer against one other boredie for any reason you see fit

HighKingLeinster wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:51 am What if we have "purge" day where you can pay for the right to wield the banhammer against one other boredie for any reason you see fit

Like you’re thinking. What if you could secretly take over someone’s account for 24 hours?

moosehead wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:51 am My neighbour's name is Big Bruv

Is it OK if I share this forum with him. He loves rugby and apparently cooking.....

Turkey and Chinese I presume?

towny wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:55 am

HighKingLeinster wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:51 am What if we have "purge" day where you can pay for the right to wield the banhammer against one other boredie for any reason you see fit

Like you’re thinking. What if you could secretly take over someone’s account for 24 hours?

Now we're cooking. Could be a ebay style bidding process

1. One 1 month ban
2. Own another account for the day
3. One 1 week ban
4. Change a posters national group alignment for a month

towny wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:27 am Nice! Keen to see this work.

Someone earlier suggested a subscription to fund this place. That will kill it instantly - no one pays for stuff like this these days.

What’s the go with the advertising? If there was someone keen, would you get any of that revenue or does the platform get it all?

Sounds like ASMO doesn't feel the need to set up some kind of funding, but if he did, I'm sure a voluntary Patreon option would be well utilised by the rich fuckers like you and I*, towny.

* - up to 5 NZ pesos a month, mind you.

1. Get some companies to pay for advertising
2. Put the advertising up and enjoy the cash
3. Set up notnotplanetrugby
4. We all move there
5. This place dies
6. Goto 1

ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:30 am I would but it's a moot point, I am not going to sell out (unless PornHub comes a calling with a wad of cash )

if its pornhub it might be a wad of something else.. be careful :D

PR seems quite busy. Are we dying?

Hope not. Much better forum setup than PR.

Quade wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:10 am Hope not. Much better forum setup than PR.

Yeah, just realised we get notifications here as well- far better site.

Amethyst wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:05 am PR seems quite busy. Are we dying?

Just after 9am on a Sunday, the Irish lads haven't even gone to mass yet. ;)

towny wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:49 am

Mr Bungle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:39 am

towny wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:27 am Nice! Keen to see this work.

Someone earlier suggested a subscription to fund this place. That will kill it instantly - no one pays for stuff like this these days.

What’s the go with the advertising? If there was someone keen, would you get any of that revenue or does the platform get it all?

Wikipedia doesn’t have subscription and wishes to remain free to all. But they do fundraise. Maybe once a year ASMO posts a link and whoever wants to contribute gets some gorse out.

That’s not a bad idea.

About £60 a year to host, £15 for the URL. The rest is done at the push of a button from a script. It is of course a very kind gesture that pleases many who are very greatful for the efforts. But the costs are not substancial or prohibitive.

Randolf wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:07 pm

towny wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:49 am

Mr Bungle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:39 am

Wikipedia doesn’t have subscription and wishes to remain free to all. But they do fundraise. Maybe once a year ASMO posts a link and whoever wants to contribute gets some gorse out.

That’s not a bad idea.

About £60 a year to host, £15 for the URL. The rest is done at the push of a button from a script. It is of course a very kind gesture that pleases many who are very greatful for the efforts. But the costs are not substancial or prohibitive.

How much to add Spell Checker?

Randolf wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:07 pm

towny wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:49 am

Mr Bungle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:39 am

Wikipedia doesn’t have subscription and wishes to remain free to all. But they do fundraise. Maybe once a year ASMO posts a link and whoever wants to contribute gets some gorse out.

That’s not a bad idea.

About £60 a year to host, £15 for the URL. The rest is done at the push of a button from a script. It us of course a very kind gesture that pleases many who are very greatful for the efforts. But the costs are not substancial or prohibitive.

Little more than that, I also went full cloud, unlimited storage and bandwidth, also full on green option so it is carbon neutral...Greta would be proud

Also account for the time spent in configuration, it's not just a 1 click install, there is a reasonable amount of config needed in both the dev and prod instances, server config (sadly you can use just out of the box.) Account creation, FTP setup, security config, ssl installation, redirects, folder permissions and troubleshooting.

ASMO wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:11 pm

Randolf wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:07 pm

towny wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:49 am

That’s not a bad idea.

About £60 a year to host, £15 for the URL. The rest is done at the push of a button from a script. It us of course a very kind gesture that pleases many who are very greatful for the efforts. But the costs are not substancial or prohibitive.

Little more than that, I also went full cloud, unlimited storage and bandwidth, also full on green option so it is carbon neutral...Greta would be proud

Also account for the time spent in configuration, it's not just a 1 click install, there is a reasonable amount of config needed in both the dev and prod instances, server config (sadly you can use just out of the box.) Account creation, FTP setup, security config, ssl installation, redirects, folder permissions and troubleshooting.

I didn't want to sound ungrateful ASMO. And at the end of the day those are expertise that may be easy for you or I but few people could pull together and certainly not for free. I'm not so sure about FTP setup, ssl cert, folder permissions or a few 301s being much of a chore though. But certainly as combined effort and FOC a great gesture.

Mr Bungle wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:10 pm

Randolf wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:07 pm

towny wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:49 am

That’s not a bad idea.

About £60 a year to host, £15 for the URL. The rest is done at the push of a button from a script. It is of course a very kind gesture that pleases many who are very greatful for the efforts. But the costs are not substancial or prohibitive.

How much to add Spell Checker?

Quite.

Browsers have spellchecker built in ☺

ASMO wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:54 pm Browsers have spellchecker built in ☺

I know...

Randolf wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:18 pm

ASMO wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:54 pm Browsers have spellchecker built in ☺

I know...

Doth fey?

Damn, need to get mine updated.

PCPhil wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:31 pm

Randolf wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:18 pm

ASMO wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:54 pm Browsers have spellchecker built in ☺

I know...

Doth fey?

Damn, need to get mine updated.

I'm Welsh I understood that perfectly.

Piss off Randolf. We’re all sick of your criticism.

I'm not for or against either option on whether we stay or go, but my issue is...how do we stop this place from the slow death that is surely coming?

For better or worse, the fact that the PR bored was attached to the main site meant we'd get the odd wash-in, and of those wash-ins, the odd one ended up being a keeper.

Unless I'm missing something, this bored will never have that, and hence, either through boredom, death or other life consequences, we will eventually see erosion of the denizens of this bored until there is no one left (or, more likely, we'll pass beyond a threshold where there isn't enough people to keep conversations going, and the rest will leave).

Jeff the Bear wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:47 pmeither through boredom, death or other life consequences, we will eventually see erosion of the denizens of this bored until there is no one left (or, more likely, we'll pass beyond a threshold where there isn't enough people to keep conversations going, and the rest will leave).

Jeff the Bear wrote: ↑Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:47 pm I'm not for or against either option on whether we stay or go, but my issue is...how do we stop this place from the slow death that is surely coming?

For better or worse, the fact that the PR bored was attached to the main site meant we'd get the odd wash-in, and of those wash-ins, the odd one ended up being a keeper.

Unless I'm missing something, this bored will never have that, and hence, either through boredom, death or other life consequences, we will eventually see erosion of the denizens of this bored until there is no one left (or, more likely, we'll pass beyond a threshold where there isn't enough people to keep conversations going, and the rest will leave).

People read the main site of PR?

I go hither and thither from the PR forum to the main site, to marvel at the great writing skillz on display there.

PR may not be gone, but it is very likely going to mutate into something quite different.

Jake has stated that the forum will be transferred to a Xenforo platform. While that could be used to replicate the style of the old site, one of the reasons Jake cited for doing it is to be smart phone friendly. Xenforo has features like push-notifications for things on the forum/site that will pop up on the phone etc. Another reason could well be that Xenforo has an "Article discussion thread" feature, where, the first post in a thread is actually a news article. You can see how that can be used to integrate the 'front-page' and the forum to maximise advertising revenue. I asked Jake if they intended to apply that and he said he believed so.

The article-thread thing should come as no surprise - they have had comments sections under their news articles for years, the reason for wanting discussion there is obvious. However, as I was googling around looking at some xenforo sites to see what it was like, I found an admin comment on the mg-rover discussion forum reminding members to confine 'adult' discussion (and obscene language) to a specific folder, because that folder was quarantined from google search bots etc, so they wouldn't be blacked out due to the content. On the one hand that feature might seem encouraging with respect to a continuation of the current PR posting style and vocabulary. On the other, it means a more structured forum, with sub forums and the like - and heavier moderation.

Overall, the impression is that the "new PR forum" will be more like GGR than PR, with some features of the Roar thrown in.

But Jake is always suggesting big changes are coming and they never do. And even he sounded like the changes at PR would come in the relatively distant future (Compared to his usual attention-seeking "in two weeks or so").

I have to echo what many others have said though: The usability here is just light years ahead of PR. Just the look of the site, too. So much more aesthetically pleasing.

FujiKiwi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:33 am But Jake is always suggesting big changes are coming and they never do. And even he sounded like the changes at PR would come in the relatively distant future (Compared to his usual attention-seeking "in two weeks or so").

I have to echo what many others have said though: The usability here is just light years ahead of PR. Just the look of the site, too. So much more aesthetically pleasing.

What Jake said is they have been working to tidy up the DB preparatory to a 'migration', and: " PR will get a new DB fix and update in the next 2 weeks" and then the Xenforo thing is after "things have stabilised".

My guess is the imminent DB fix/update will result in another board wipe.

Why are we trusting Jake about any of this? Is there any reason to take him at his word?

FujiKiwi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:06 am Why are we trusting Jake about any of this? Is there any reason to take him at his word?

What he says is happening is consistent with platform upgrades directed towards improving the site to get more clicks and make more $.

Also, on (some) previous occasions, it has just been PR, not the roundballers over at F365 in the gun. (Was F365 wiped back in 2012? I don't know if it was.)

The other thing is that the Xenforo features make it easier for the admin to control what's happening. [ ]

Does anyone believe Jake when he claims the parent site makes 12 mill a year?

You'd have thought they would have reinvested more than $27.50 per annum into the back end.

Thanks, Ellafan, for the insights into how this all works. It’s interesting stuff, really.