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Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:21 pm
by Blake
assfly wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:08 pm
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:02 am
Interesting the Squidge reckons the racist Saffers coming to NZ in 1981 forced the Whites in NZ to look inward at their own treatment of their own non-white population and make a change. I don't believe that's true......
I like Squidge, but he really ought to stay off some topics.
He obviously didn't pull that out of his backside. He mentions at least twice that he sourced a lot of the video from
The Hundred Years' War: All Blacks vs Springboks by Jamie Wall, (a Kiwi author) which one would assume has been rigorously researched and have some local perspective of the impact.
It's easy to shit on YouTubers, but if that assertion is incorrect, maybe Jamie Wall is at fault. I'll have to check out that book I guess.
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:34 pm
by Sandstorm
Blake wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:21 pm
assfly wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:08 pm
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:02 am
Interesting the Squidge reckons the racist Saffers coming to NZ in 1981 forced the Whites in NZ to look inward at their own treatment of their own non-white population and make a change. I don't believe that's true......
I like Squidge, but he really ought to stay off some topics.
He obviously didn't pull that out of his backside. He mentions at least twice that he sourced a lot of the video from
The Hundred Years' War: All Blacks vs Springboks by Jamie Wall, (a Kiwi author) which one would assume has been rigorously researched and have some local perspective of the impact.
It's easy to shit on YouTubers, but if that assertion is incorrect, maybe Jamie Wall is at fault. I'll have to check out that book I guess.
No, I mean that racism towards the indigenous population never existed in New Zealand. It was only ever a South African affliction.
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2024 5:49 pm
by Guy Smiley
Jamie Wall is a terrible rugby writer who, like Squidge, locates a fact or two then bends them into the agenda he has decided is being unfolded.
Hate his writing.
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2024 6:34 pm
by Blake
Fair enough. I wasn’t familiar with him.
Still liked the video though.
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:34 pm
by Dan54
Blake wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 2:21 pm
assfly wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:08 pm
Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:02 am
Interesting the Squidge reckons the racist Saffers coming to NZ in 1981 forced the Whites in NZ to look inward at their own treatment of their own non-white population and make a change. I don't believe that's true......
I like Squidge, but he really ought to stay off some topics.
He obviously didn't pull that out of his backside. He mentions at least twice that he sourced a lot of the video from
The Hundred Years' War: All Blacks vs Springboks by Jamie Wall, (a Kiwi author) which one would assume has been rigorously researched and have some local perspective of the impact.
It's easy to shit on YouTubers, but if that assertion is incorrect, maybe Jamie Wall is at fault. I'll have to check out that book I guess.
Haven't read Jamie Wall, and haven't read Squidges post. But genuinely I very surprised to hear that I as a white man person changed my treatment of Maori or anyone because of Bok tour. I genuinely never knew of anyone who looked at our treatment (hate that word anyway, I didn;t treat anyone,just were mates/family, or otherwise as always in the country before or after tour) It's funny how someone who writes an article can seemingly tell us how we felt or acted etc because of a tour. I was around in NZ about 27yo when tour took place, so perhaps you could just ask the likes of me?
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:45 pm
by Guy Smiley
Blake wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 6:34 pm
Fair enough. I wasn’t familiar with him.
Still liked the video though.
Fair enough, it's only my opinion... we're all subjective when it comes to stuff like this. I did want to throw some sort of background on him though... I'm pretty sure he's not so much a rugby writer as some sort of opportunist who has managed to work his way into a paying gig. I first noticed him doing online commentary, on the Tribe app. Now he's writing on rugby for Radio NZ. I'm always disappointed by people who write about going down the outside edge when they're referring to the wing or touchline. I think it's a rugby league import as I've noticed a couple of other commentators here in NZ doing it.
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:47 pm
by Blake
So it is utterly inconceivable that the tensions caused by the Springbok Tour in 1981 created the environment to expose some hypocrisy within some sections of New Zealand and led to the creation of some needed reforms?
Pity, because it would’ve been a neat story.
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:12 pm
by Jethro
Blake wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:47 pm
So it is utterly inconceivable that the tensions caused by the Springbok Tour in 1981 created the environment to expose some hypocrisy within some sections of New Zealand and led to the creation of some needed reforms?
Pity, because it would’ve been a neat story.
Think you will find the tour of 1981 turned a lot of Kiwis off having sporting relationships with South Africa, due to the, you know, racism in the Republic.
But to set the record right on a couple of incidents that took place on the tour.
Waikato vs South Africa, match abandoned due to protests, pitch invasions, and you know Hamilton. I have it on very good authority, i.e. some bloke I talked to in the pub, that Waikato had never lost to the Bokke and were deeply concerned about this game, hence they organised the hordes of Waikato supporters to do everything in their power to stop the match. Calling that another win for Waikato.
Dunedin test blackout in Otago. This is what happens when you take your kids to work and give them the chance to fix a broadcast tower, who could have seen this going wrong. I blame the whole work experience thing.
The flour bombing of the Auckland test. Seriously when you get mom telling a trainee pilot to pick up some eggs and flour when he is off for a training flight things are going to go wrong. Two thumbs up to the pilot though who found a novel way of avoiding paying the entry fee to the match.
So there you have it South Africa, a bunch of Waikato supporters, a Dunedin work experience dude, and someone's mom changed the political landscape of South Africa, feel free to express your thanks by either free beer or payment (we except gold). The only question I'm left with is did the pilot's mom end up making the cake
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:28 pm
by Guy Smiley
Blake wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:47 pm
So it is utterly inconceivable that the tensions caused by the Springbok Tour in 1981 created the environment to expose some hypocrisy within some sections of New Zealand and led to the creation of some needed reforms?
Pity, because it would’ve been a neat story.
I was 20 when the tour took place. I remember the social mayhem that surrounded it and the extremes people went to to protest against it. We've all heard or read the story now but it bears emphasis... that tour split the country into two camps and there is nothing in living memory that comes close to it for impact.
Within that context, there will be various narratives, stories etc. There have always been strong bonds and mutual respect between sections of Maori and Pakeha society here, just as there has been strong antipathy or even hostility. You'll get various versions of that being talked about all of the time.
I don't remember anything about what you're talking about really coming to the fore but I was a long way from the action and memory is not reliable.
Something slightly off topic though... I do remember the marches and occupation of land in the name of Maori Land Rights that had picked up speed through the 70s, culminating in the occupation of Bastion Point in Auckland. That movement was something of a catalyst for the changes that unfolded in the years following and I think the tremendous progress NZ made in the 30 or so years after that has to be credited to that movement...
and that movement alone. It's fucking stupid to try and claim the protests over the 81 tour had any great influence in leading to the reforms that took place. Suggesting that is ignorant and condescending... it's patronising.
I left NZ in 1985. I returned from time to time over the next 30 years before moving back. The changes here with regard to recognition of Maori culture and language are profound and ongoing with struggles that have reached the highest court in the country multiple times and the Law rewritten to recognise the fundamental principles of the Treaty of Waitangi... Te Tiriti.
I'm sure a couple of blokes in a pub giving each other the upward flick and a fist bump played their part in it.
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:34 pm
by Enzedder
NZ Odds
Springbokke $1.47
ABs $2,60
The have won the last 2 games between us.
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:58 pm
by Gumboot
The bookies are never wrong.
We're doomed!
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:23 am
by OomStruisbaai
The 1981 Springbok tour delivered rugby from heaven. Rugby was the winner over politics.
I support Waikato because of that match that never happened.
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:26 am
by OomStruisbaai
Today is the big day. Nothing beat Springbok vs All Blacks. Long may this continue.
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:38 am
by Jethro
Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:34 pm
NZ Odds
Springbokke $1.47
ABs $2,60
The have won the last 2 games between us.
Add $100 to the AB odds and I'll drop a twenty on it
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:58 am
by Gumboot
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:23 am
The 1981 Springbok tour delivered rugby from heaven. Rugby was the winner over politics.
I support Waikato because of that match that never happened.
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 8:14 am
by boere wors
https://amp.rugbypass.com/news/straight ... an-empire/
Who is this idiot?! Not only that the eben story can be easily explained, but mocking someone with severe health issues to look like jabba is quite something
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:12 am
by Sards
Obviously he didn't research what the reason was.
Besides. Huge to have Eben suddenly on the bench.
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:19 am
by Sards
Good luck to all involved.
Let's have a clean game
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:09 pm
by Jethro
Sards wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:19 am
Good luck to all involved.
Let's have a clean game
Call here is 38-17 to the Bokke ...
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:54 pm
by Grandpa
Sards wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:12 am
Obviously he didn't research what the reason was.
Besides. Huge to have Eben suddenly on the bench.
It's unbelievable. Scotty Stevenson you moron... and Ben Smith you idiot for printing it..
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:56 pm
by Grandpa
Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 8:28 pm
Blake wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:47 pm
So it is utterly inconceivable that the tensions caused by the Springbok Tour in 1981 created the environment to expose some hypocrisy within some sections of New Zealand and led to the creation of some needed reforms?
Pity, because it would’ve been a neat story.
I was 20 when the tour took place. I remember the social mayhem that surrounded it and the extremes people went to to protest against it. We've all heard or read the story now but it bears emphasis... that tour split the country into two camps and there is nothing in living memory that comes close to it for impact.
Within that context, there will be various narratives, stories etc. There have always been strong bonds and mutual respect between sections of Maori and Pakeha society here, just as there has been strong antipathy or even hostility. You'll get various versions of that being talked about all of the time.
I don't remember anything about what you're talking about really coming to the fore but I was a long way from the action and memory is not reliable.
Something slightly off topic though... I do remember the marches and occupation of land in the name of Maori Land Rights that had picked up speed through the 70s, culminating in the occupation of Bastion Point in Auckland. That movement was something of a catalyst for the changes that unfolded in the years following and I think the tremendous progress NZ made in the 30 or so years after that has to be credited to that movement...
and that movement alone. It's fucking stupid to try and claim the protests over the 81 tour had any great influence in leading to the reforms that took place. Suggesting that is ignorant and condescending... it's patronising.
I left NZ in 1985. I returned from time to time over the next 30 years before moving back. The changes here with regard to recognition of Maori culture and language are profound and ongoing with struggles that have reached the highest court in the country multiple times and the Law rewritten to recognise the fundamental principles of the Treaty of Waitangi... Te Tiriti.
I'm sure a couple of blokes in a pub giving each other the upward flick and a fist bump played their part in it.
This is my feeling as well.
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:50 pm
by convoluted
A sun-drenched Ellis Park, and a feral crowd poised to drown out the haka
There's nothing better.
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:54 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Our min of sport.
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:55 pm
by Gumboot
Go, All Blacks!
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:13 pm
by Chilli2
Let's hope that we never see Fassi in a Bok jersey again.
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:23 pm
by Biffer
He clearly lost that before touching down
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:28 pm
by convoluted
Blackadder has had a frenzied first quarter.
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:29 pm
by Torquemada 1420
How TF is Brace still given any match appointments?
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:36 pm
by Biffer
He's not kicking that in November at Murrayfield
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:45 pm
by ASMO
Does that useless cunt Brace know there are 2 sides on the pitch? One of the most inept refereeing performances i have seen in ages
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:50 pm
by Gumboot
Can our bench match the bomb squad?
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:52 pm
by PCPhil
Not seen anything wrong with the ref. Should I pick a side I want to win?
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:01 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Boks defense look kak.
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:01 pm
by PCPhil
Think the ABs jerseys ar sh1t. They look like choirboys.
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:02 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Barrets look eager
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:05 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Vok Ellendig
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:05 pm
by Torquemada 1420
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:45 pm
Does that useless cunt Brace know there are 2 sides on the pitch? One of the most inept refereeing performances i have seen in ages
Since his last game?
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:15 pm
by Blackmac
Imagine grown fucking men making giant yellow cards to take with them to wave at the match.
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:27 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Williams follow Fassi in kakgeit.
Re: The Rugby Championship - Round 3
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:28 pm
by Biffer
Blackmac wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:15 pm
Imagine grown fucking men making giant yellow cards to take with them to wave at the match.
Seriously? Didn’t see that. Sad as fuck.