Scotland vs Springboks

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Slick wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:43 pm
Biffer wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:34 pm That's about as heavy a pack as we could have picked, as strong a set of backs as was available. Line out will be relentlessly attacked so we better have a few in the back pocket to change it up. As I said a while ago, the books will bash us off the breakdown and aside from a few flashes of skill for a couple of scores well be dominated and comfortably beaten. Very worried if Zander goes down with an injury (Kwagga Smith starting to deliberately cheap shot him obviously).
That front 5 look incredibly vulnerable, particularly Etzebeth and Mostert against our 2.

I'm very surprised to see Jordan in at 15 - I guess him and Kinghorn will be rotating quite a bit but it's a huge ask after 20 minutes of international rugby.

Eeeek.
Good thing is we don't have to protect our ten in defense like many international sides do, so it'll be winder and Jordan at the back in defense depending on attack direction etc. Jordan might actually be better at coordinating that.

*clutches passing straw*
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Slick wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:43 pm
Biffer wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:34 pm That's about as heavy a pack as we could have picked, as strong a set of backs as was available. Line out will be relentlessly attacked so we better have a few in the back pocket to change it up. As I said a while ago, the books will bash us off the breakdown and aside from a few flashes of skill for a couple of scores well be dominated and comfortably beaten. Very worried if Zander goes down with an injury (Kwagga Smith starting to deliberately cheap shot him obviously).
That front 5 look incredibly vulnerable, particularly Etzebeth and Mostert against our 2.

I'm very surprised to see Jordan in at 15 - I guess him and Kinghorn will be rotating quite a bit but it's a huge ask after 20 minutes of international rugby.

Eeeek.
Not so worried about that, Gilchrist is a much better operator than he's given credit for (for example, watch the difference in our mauls if he gets subbed, particularly in defence) but the bench five is a massive step down in comparison.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Slick wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:43 pm I'm very surprised to see Jordan in at 15 - I guess him and Kinghorn will be rotating quite a bit but it's a huge ask after 20 minutes of international rugby.

Eeeek.
I'd trust TJ under a high ball more than Kinghorn, he really is very, very good at it. Where I expect there to be issues is in positioning. He is just not a full back, and the Boks will know this. So I expect them to move the ball about and to move him about to try and move / catch him out of position.
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weegie01 wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 3:19 pm
Slick wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:43 pm I'm very surprised to see Jordan in at 15 - I guess him and Kinghorn will be rotating quite a bit but it's a huge ask after 20 minutes of international rugby.

Eeeek.
I'd trust TJ under a high ball more than Kinghorn, he really is very, very good at it. Where I expect there to be issues is in positioning. He is just not a full back, and the Boks will know this. So I expect them to move the ball about and to move him about to try and move / catch him out of position.
Yeah. And it's not like he is going to get much defensive support from his wingers...
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Playing the Bulls backrow of eskom, louw and hanekom would have made more sense. Kwagga bench.
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weegie01 wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 3:19 pm
Slick wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:43 pm I'm very surprised to see Jordan in at 15 - I guess him and Kinghorn will be rotating quite a bit but it's a huge ask after 20 minutes of international rugby.

Eeeek.
I'd trust TJ under a high ball more than Kinghorn, he really is very, very good at it. Where I expect there to be issues is in positioning. He is just not a full back, and the Boks will know this. So I expect them to move the ball about and to move him about to try and move / catch him out of position.
Might see a fluid backline with TJ stepping in at 10 with everyone else moving out one off phase ball.

TJ and Reed are pretty raw at this level if Rower wasn't fit. I think this is a selection of the person and their mindset too as it would have been easy to pick a winger and have Kinghorn play 15.
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Slick wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:43 pm
Biffer wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:34 pm That's about as heavy a pack as we could have picked, as strong a set of backs as was available. Line out will be relentlessly attacked so we better have a few in the back pocket to change it up. As I said a while ago, the books will bash us off the breakdown and aside from a few flashes of skill for a couple of scores well be dominated and comfortably beaten. Very worried if Zander goes down with an injury (Kwagga Smith starting to deliberately cheap shot him obviously).
That front 5 look incredibly vulnerable, particularly Etzebeth and Mostert against our 2.

I'm very surprised to see Jordan in at 15 - I guess him and Kinghorn will be rotating quite a bit but it's a huge ask after 20 minutes of international rugby.

Eeeek.
Our back row need to collectively stand up too. They have all been good at different times but I am still waiting on a Darge break out game where he disrupts quality opposition. This is as good a time as any.
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Big D wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 5:28 pm
Slick wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:43 pm
Biffer wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:34 pm That's about as heavy a pack as we could have picked, as strong a set of backs as was available. Line out will be relentlessly attacked so we better have a few in the back pocket to change it up. As I said a while ago, the books will bash us off the breakdown and aside from a few flashes of skill for a couple of scores well be dominated and comfortably beaten. Very worried if Zander goes down with an injury (Kwagga Smith starting to deliberately cheap shot him obviously).
That front 5 look incredibly vulnerable, particularly Etzebeth and Mostert against our 2.

I'm very surprised to see Jordan in at 15 - I guess him and Kinghorn will be rotating quite a bit but it's a huge ask after 20 minutes of international rugby.

Eeeek.
Our back row need to collectively stand up too. They have all been good at different times but I am still waiting on a Darge break out game where he disrupts quality opposition. This is as good a time as any.
That's one of those wee words by good assistant coaches an hour before kickoff, isn't it. "This is the kind of game where someone announces they're world class. But you're not world class's if you go in wild, give away six penalties and spend ten minutes sitting on your arse. Time to shine so".
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Biffer wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 6:29 pm
Big D wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 5:28 pm
Slick wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:43 pm

That front 5 look incredibly vulnerable, particularly Etzebeth and Mostert against our 2.

I'm very surprised to see Jordan in at 15 - I guess him and Kinghorn will be rotating quite a bit but it's a huge ask after 20 minutes of international rugby.

Eeeek.
Our back row need to collectively stand up too. They have all been good at different times but I am still waiting on a Darge break out game where he disrupts quality opposition. This is as good a time as any.
That's one of those wee words by good assistant coaches an hour before kickoff, isn't it. "This is the kind of game where someone announces they're world class. But you're not world class's if you go in wild, give away six penalties and spend ten minutes sitting on your arse. Time to shine so".

Aye then your centres go to pieces in defence and your hooker spear tackles someone off the ball in the first 10 min!

In all seriousness, for the players it's a Lions season and the auditions start now. A game against the world champions is a time to shine.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 1:51 pm Springbok team to face Scotland in Edinburgh:
15 – Willie le Roux (Vodacom Bulls) – 97 caps, 75 pts (15t)
14 – Canan Moodie (Vodacom Bulls) – 11 caps, 25 pts (5t)
13 – Lukhanyo Am (Hollywoodbets Sharks) – 40 caps, 35 pts (7t)
12 – Andre Esterhuizen (Hollywoodbets Sharks) - 18 caps, 0 pts
11 – Makazole Mapimpi (Hollywoodbets Sharks) – 45 caps, 150 points (30t)
10 – Handre Pollard (Leicester Tigers) – 77 caps, 755 points (7t, 105c, 165p, 5dg)
9 – Jaden Hendrikse (Hollywoodbets Sharks) – 18 caps, 19 pts (2t, 3c, 1p)
I'm liking this. Looking forward to seeing former Hollywoodbets Sharks player Willie getting a full match.

Is the 7-1 bench a good idea though? Just looks like a crazy risk for not much reward?
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Big D wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:58 pm
Biffer wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 6:29 pm
Big D wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 5:28 pm

Our back row need to collectively stand up too. They have all been good at different times but I am still waiting on a Darge break out game where he disrupts quality opposition. This is as good a time as any.
That's one of those wee words by good assistant coaches an hour before kickoff, isn't it. "This is the kind of game where someone announces they're world class. But you're not world class's if you go in wild, give away six penalties and spend ten minutes sitting on your arse. Time to shine so".

Aye then your centres go to pieces in defence and your hooker spear tackles someone off the ball in the first 10 min!

In all seriousness, for the players it's a Lions season and the auditions start now. A game against the world champions is a time to shine.
Edit - should have posted this in the Scotland thread. So I will
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:03 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 1:53 pm 20 – Siya Kolisi (Hollywoodbets Sharks) – 89 caps, 60 points (12t)
21 – Pieter-Steph du Toit (Toyota Verblitz) – 84 caps, 55 points (11t)
22 – Jasper Wiese (Urayasu D-Rocks) – 31 caps, 5 points (1t)

Be interesting to see how these usual match starters perform as a unit off the bench.
This is probably one test to far for Rassie, saving his A team for England.
My call ... he wants to know if Siya can play from the bench. Being Rassie he did this by dropping the entire starting backrow combo to the bench. If it works Siya has more chance of making it to the next RWC.

Also chance for some Rassie trolling by picking Bongi as captain against England.
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If I can sum up the south African fans attitude currently I would describe it, from both a psychological and sociological point of view asOHDEARGODLOVERASSIELOVEHIMLOVEHIMHARDERLIVEHIMMOREMASTURBATEUNDERTHETABLEFORHIMGODWELOVEHIMGODYESYESYESRASSSSSIEEEE

Think that's right, from an academic viewpoint.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Biffer wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:40 pm If I can sum up the south African fans attitude currently I would describe it, from both a psychological and sociological point of view asOHDEARGODLOVERASSIELOVEHIMLOVEHIMHARDERLIVEHIMMOREMASTURBATEUNDERTHETABLEFORHIMGODWELOVEHIMGODYESYESYESRASSSSSIEEEE

Think that's right, from an academic viewpoint.
I wanted Bongi as captain and more Hollywoodbets Sharks players. :thumbdown:
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_Os_ wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:43 pm
Biffer wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:40 pm If I can sum up the south African fans attitude currently I would describe it, from both a psychological and sociological point of view asOHDEARGODLOVERASSIELOVEHIMLOVEHIMHARDERLIVEHIMMOREMASTURBATEUNDERTHETABLEFORHIMGODWELOVEHIMGODYESYESYESRASSSSSIEEEE

Think that's right, from an academic viewpoint.
I wanted Bongi as captain and more Hollywoodbets Sharks players. :thumbdown:
Poor response to obvious pre match spite 👎
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Biffer wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:46 pm
_Os_ wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:43 pm
Biffer wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:40 pm If I can sum up the south African fans attitude currently I would describe it, from both a psychological and sociological point of view asOHDEARGODLOVERASSIELOVEHIMLOVEHIMHARDERLIVEHIMMOREMASTURBATEUNDERTHETABLEFORHIMGODWELOVEHIMGODYESYESYESRASSSSSIEEEE

Think that's right, from an academic viewpoint.
I wanted Bongi as captain and more Hollywoodbets Sharks players. :thumbdown:
Poor response to obvious pre match spite 👎
Apologies.
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Biffer wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:40 pm If I can sum up the south African fans attitude currently I would describe it, from both a psychological and sociological point of view asOHDEARGODLOVERASSIELOVEHIMLOVEHIMHARDERLIVEHIMMOREMASTURBATEUNDERTHETABLEFORHIMGODWELOVEHIMGODYESYESYESRASSSSSIEEEE

Think that's right, from an academic viewpoint.
No. Am I the only rugby fan who enjoys watching the game but doesn't really give a fuck about the personal lives and personalities of the coaches or players. I'm sure Rassie can be a twat but he's just the coach of one team.
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Calculon wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 2:18 am
Biffer wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:40 pm If I can sum up the south African fans attitude currently I would describe it, from both a psychological and sociological point of view asOHDEARGODLOVERASSIELOVEHIMLOVEHIMHARDERLIVEHIMMOREMASTURBATEUNDERTHETABLEFORHIMGODWELOVEHIMGODYESYESYESRASSSSSIEEEE

Think that's right, from an academic viewpoint.
No. Am I the only rugby fan who enjoys watching the game but doesn't really give a fuck about the personal lives and personalities of the coaches or players. I'm sure Rassie can be a twat but he's just the coach of one team.
I refer you to the answer I gave some moments ago
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Biffer wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:57 pm
Slick wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:43 pm
Biffer wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:34 pm That's about as heavy a pack as we could have picked, as strong a set of backs as was available. Line out will be relentlessly attacked so we better have a few in the back pocket to change it up. As I said a while ago, the books will bash us off the breakdown and aside from a few flashes of skill for a couple of scores well be dominated and comfortably beaten. Very worried if Zander goes down with an injury (Kwagga Smith starting to deliberately cheap shot him obviously).
That front 5 look incredibly vulnerable, particularly Etzebeth and Mostert against our 2.

I'm very surprised to see Jordan in at 15 - I guess him and Kinghorn will be rotating quite a bit but it's a huge ask after 20 minutes of international rugby.

Eeeek.
Not so worried about that, Gilchrist is a much better operator than he's given credit for (for example, watch the difference in our mauls if he gets subbed, particularly in defence) but the bench five is a massive step down in comparison.
Gilchrist is definitely a coaches' player - he just doesn't do the big gainline carries that get people excited.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 12:54 pm
Slick wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 12:19 pm Another consequence of a Sunday game, just been into town and didn’t see a single Bokke jersey. No doubt not wanting to waste a days holiday so all arriving tomorrow. It’s a shame, should be building nicely
Do you usually see Bok jerseys in town?

The Boland towns usually black out on a saturday IF the All Blacks won. You need to switch on your head lights going to town.
A good few in town today mate
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Slick wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 12:23 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 12:54 pm
Slick wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 12:19 pm Another consequence of a Sunday game, just been into town and didn’t see a single Bokke jersey. No doubt not wanting to waste a days holiday so all arriving tomorrow. It’s a shame, should be building nicely
Do you usually see Bok jerseys in town?

The Boland towns usually black out on a saturday IF the All Blacks won. You need to switch on your head lights going to town.
A good few in town today mate
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After all the exciting rugby, it's time for the big clash. Time to organise the fire, cold ones, ext
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Horrible feeling Scotland are going to get bullied off the pitch in this game - Boks going for size and muscle.
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Couldn’t see a Wales v Fiji thread so drive by posting here. Surprised to see Fiji close that one out and take the win. It’s going to be a long long winter (or a very short one) for Gatland and the team.
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ScarfaceClaw wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 3:51 pm Couldn’t see a Wales v Fiji thread so drive by posting here. Surprised to see Fiji close that one out and take the win. It’s going to be a long long winter (or a very short one) for Gatland and the team.
The only surprise was that they didn’t win by more tbh. 400 days since Wales last won a game, and their run is now Australia, SA, France before a trip to Rome. Could get very very ugly
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dpedin wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 11:29 am Horrible feeling Scotland are going to get bullied off the pitch in this game - Boks going for size and muscle.
I think it depends what the weather is like. If its very wet, Scotland will have every chance. I am always nervous when the boks play in wet weather. They rarely play well when its wet. :shh:
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Way to go Scots, school band playing the anthem. :lol:
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Feels like for a decade now Scotland have been exceptionally vulnerable to cross kicks
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The gaping commences
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Not really a good cover tackle from Jordan
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Deary me, that attempted tackle.
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Boks a bit panicky so far.

Twice Jones from 2017 could have tapped ball on
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Harsh
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I don't think that's a yellow. Two Scotland players involved and one of them hits harder. Doesn't really look like a croc I'll to me. Definitely not that player either. Just extremely weird.
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Think it was a poor call
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Very harsh yellow card that.

Saw little croc nor roll there.
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JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 4:23 pm I don't think that's a yellow. Two Scotland players involved and one of them hits harder. Doesn't really look like a croc I'll to me. Definitely not that player either. Just extremely weird.
Was the ref watching a different replay to what we got on the screen?
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ScarfaceClaw wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 4:26 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 4:23 pm I don't think that's a yellow. Two Scotland players involved and one of them hits harder. Doesn't really look like a croc I'll to me. Definitely not that player either. Just extremely weird.
Was the ref watching a different replay to what we got on the screen?
No, he just looks like a 16 year old cock.
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That's just a bullshit yellow. Not even a penalty.
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Daft decision , Scot’s v unlucky if that becomes red
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