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Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:32 am**

Tattie wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:47 am
GogLais wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:38 am
Yr Alban wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:02 am

Nope, not seeing that reported anywhere so far.

Was actually thinking how balanced the 23 ended up being. England 5 starters, Scotland/Wales/Ireland 3 each, bench has 2 from each country. I know it wasn’t planned that way, but that’s representative.
Not a supporter of PR then?
I’m more impressed that they’re playing with only 14 starters, brave move.

Clearly I can’t count

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:03 am**

Seems to be lots of groups from around the U.K. in Edinburgh today for the match, Lions tops everywhere

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:22 am**

Yr Alban wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:02 am
SaintK wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:02 am Reading on PR that Wyn Jones is out and Sutherland to start with Mako to the bench.
No confirmation anywhere yet though!!!
Nope, not seeing that reported anywhere so far.

Was actually thinking how balanced the 23 ended up being. England 5 starters, Scotland/Wales/Ireland 3 each, bench has 2 from each country. I know it wasn’t planned that way, but that’s representative.

Thought Beard and Josh Adams are both unlucky to not make the 23, but I can see them playing in the other tests, If VDM is taken to the cleaners in defence, then Adams steps in.

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:32 am**

clive wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:22 am
Yr Alban wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:02 am
SaintK wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:02 am Reading on PR that Wyn Jones is out and Sutherland to start with Mako to the bench.
No confirmation anywhere yet though!!!
Nope, not seeing that reported anywhere so far.

Was actually thinking how balanced the 23 ended up being. England 5 starters, Scotland/Wales/Ireland 3 each, bench has 2 from each country. I know it wasn’t planned that way, but that’s representative.
Thought Beard and Josh Adams are both unlucky to not make the 23, but I can see them playing in the other tests, If VDM is taken to the cleaners in defence, then Adams steps in.

Could easily happen. DVDM hasn’t done anything on the tour to suggest this is more likely to happen to him than anyone else, though

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:47 am**

Slick wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:03 am Seems to be lots of groups from around the U.K. in Edinburgh today for the match, Lions tops everywhere

I'm down there in a fortnight, I'll be dragging a few mates to watch it somewhere. Will probably leave the top at home though.

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:49 am**

Yr Alban wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:32 am
clive wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:22 am
Yr Alban wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:02 am

Nope, not seeing that reported anywhere so far.

Was actually thinking how balanced the 23 ended up being. England 5 starters, Scotland/Wales/Ireland 3 each, bench has 2 from each country. I know it wasn’t planned that way, but that’s representative.
Thought Beard and Josh Adams are both unlucky to not make the 23, but I can see them playing in the other tests, If VDM is taken to the cleaners in defence, then Adams steps in.
Could easily happen. DVDM hasn’t done anything on the tour to suggest this is more likely to happen to him than anyone else, though

Think Zammit could also feature in the other tests he should have been in the 23 with a cameo in the final quarter against tired legs, and don't forget burned VDM against Scotland.

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:54 am**

clive wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:49 am
Yr Alban wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:32 am
clive wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:22 am
Thought Beard and Josh Adams are both unlucky to not make the 23, but I can see them playing in the other tests, If VDM is taken to the cleaners in defence, then Adams steps in.
Could easily happen. DVDM hasn’t done anything on the tour to suggest this is more likely to happen to him than anyone else, though
Think Zammit could also feature in the other tests he should have been in the 23 with a cameo in the final quarter against tired legs, and don't forget burned VDM against Scotland.

You are a very boring man

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:55 am**

Jock42 wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:47 am
Slick wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:03 am Seems to be lots of groups from around the U.K. in Edinburgh today for the match, Lions tops everywhere
I'm down there in a fortnight, I'll be dragging a few mates to watch it somewhere. Will probably leave the top at home though.

Have a table booked somewhere with HKJ and Crash69 for that, might bump into you for a pint!

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:59 am**

Slick wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:55 am
Jock42 wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:47 am
Slick wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:03 am Seems to be lots of groups from around the U.K. in Edinburgh today for the match, Lions tops everywhere
I'm down there in a fortnight, I'll be dragging a few mates to watch it somewhere. Will probably leave the top at home though.
Have a table booked somewhere with HKJ and Crash69 for that, might bump into you for a pint!

Nice one. Have a good one if I don't bump into yous.

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:04 pm**

Heard the Wyn Jones - Sutherland swap from a more reliable source a minute ago.

Could be bollocks still of course

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:19 pm**

Slick wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:04 pm Heard the Wyn Jones - Sutherland swap from a more reliable source a minute ago.

Could be bollocks still of course

Formally confirmed at 12:30 Jones withdrawn as shoulder not quite recovered
Sutherland in, Mako to the bench

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:23 pm**

SaintK wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:19 pm
Slick wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:04 pm Heard the Wyn Jones - Sutherland swap from a more reliable source a minute ago.

Could be bollocks still of course
Formally confirmed at 12:30 Jones withdrawn as shoulder not quite recovered
Sutherland in, Mako to the bench

So just the 2 starters for the Welsh, sounds about right

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:47 pm**

Slick wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:54 am
clive wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:49 am
Yr Alban wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:32 am

Could easily happen. DVDM hasn’t done anything on the tour to suggest this is more likely to happen to him than anyone else, though
Think Zammit could also feature in the other tests he should have been in the 23 with a cameo in the final quarter against tired legs, and don't forget burned VDM against Scotland.
You are a very boring man

And yet you read my posts, if you find me boring then run headlong into a brick wall then upload the injury to cheer us up.

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:49 pm**

Slick wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:23 pm
SaintK wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:19 pm
Slick wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:04 pm Heard the Wyn Jones - Sutherland swap from a more reliable source a minute ago.

Could be bollocks still of course
Formally confirmed at 12:30 Jones withdrawn as shoulder not quite recovered
Sutherland in, Mako to the bench
So just the 2 starters for the Welsh, sounds about right

Wales did much better than those English cunts in the WC so lets see what happens today.

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:50 pm**

Awful luck for Jones. Got to feel for him.

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:06 pm**

Big D wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:50 pm Awful luck for Jones. Got to feel for him.

Well Said, special occasion and on the day of the match.

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:07 pm**

Big D wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:50 pm Awful luck for Jones. Got to feel for him.

Yup. I expect he’ll be back for game 2 though, unless Rory plays a blinder.

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:11 pm**

clive wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:49 am
Yr Alban wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:32 am
clive wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:22 am
Thought Beard and Josh Adams are both unlucky to not make the 23, but I can see them playing in the other tests, If VDM is taken to the cleaners in defence, then Adams steps in.
Could easily happen. DVDM hasn’t done anything on the tour to suggest this is more likely to happen to him than anyone else, though
Think Zammit could also feature in the other tests he should have been in the 23 with a cameo in the final quarter against tired legs, and don't forget burned VDM against Scotland.

LRZ’s defence was ropey. Missed 9 tackles in the 6N, over twice as many as any other winger on the tour. His time will come, but not his time around I don’t think.

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:29 pm**

Slick wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:04 pm Heard the Wyn Jones - Sutherland swap from a more reliable source a minute ago.

Could be bollocks still of course

More reliable than Planet Jake? Is there such a mythical thing?

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:33 pm**

ScarfaceClaw wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:29 pm
Slick wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:04 pm Heard the Wyn Jones - Sutherland swap from a more reliable source a minute ago.

Could be bollocks still of course
More reliable than Planet Jake? Is there such a mythical thing?

To be fair, he did say earlier this morning it was going to be announced at 12 noon and it was anounced at 12:30

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:40 pm**

Can anyone tell me more about this shirt?

I've got one just like it. Wondered where it actually belongs in lions history etc?

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:44 pm**

Can we not just bring all the Welsh players home now? They have less Lions places than the Scottish when the Scots used to come 5th.

This sky sports, Engish shit show really isn't worth it.

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:57 pm**

clive wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:49 pm
Slick wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:23 pm
SaintK wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:19 pm
Formally confirmed at 12:30 Jones withdrawn as shoulder not quite recovered
Sutherland in, Mako to the bench
So just the 2 starters for the Welsh, sounds about right
Wales did much better than those English cunts in the WC so lets see what happens today.

Early start or topping up from last night?

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:00 pm**

Raggs wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:40 pm Can anyone tell me more about this shirt?

I've got one just like it. Wondered where it actually belongs in lions history etc?

Training top from 05.

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:02 pm**

Big D wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:00 pm
Raggs wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:40 pm Can anyone tell me more about this shirt?

I've got one just like it. Wondered where it actually belongs in lions history etc?
Training top from 05.

Was wondering, but no sponsorship on it. I'm wondering if it was just a generic lions shirt released by Adidas? No quote below the shield either, which is different to a lot that I've seen.

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:04 pm**

Ah, think I've found it :D.

https://www.classicrugbyshirts.com/2005 ... 6508-p.asp

2005 training top. Cheers fellas :).

Now the question is what shirt to wear to the rugby club today. That, or a recent normal shirt from the Aus/NZ tours. I'm thinking I'll go with that (assuming it fits OK!).

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:15 pm**

Given who SA have on the bench I wonder if there was any temptation to start Vunipola knowing Sutherland is a better scrummager than MV.

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:16 pm**

Raggs wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:04 pm Ah, think I've found it :D.

https://www.classicrugbyshirts.com/2005 ... 6508-p.asp

2005 training top. Cheers fellas :).

Now the question is what shirt to wear to the rugby club today. That, or a recent normal shirt from the Aus/NZ tours. I'm thinking I'll go with that (assuming it fits OK!).

I have this years "warm up" top. Like it much better than the last two tours gear. The 05 and 01 kit was decent. Lasted ages in training.

97 was the last tour of the heavier tops.

Posted: **Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:19 pm**

Big D wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:50 pm Awful luck for Jones. Got to feel for him.

Yup. Sounds like it is a minor shoulder injury (not that it will be minor for a prop) so hopefully he will get his chance

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:03 am**

On to next week. The only real changes I'd be crying out for is Daly to be replaced and AWJ be a little more aggressive. Those 2 pens that were missed should have went to the corner IMO (said it at the time).

Seen some criticism of LCD and Surherland at scrum time but immediately after half time it was better. The Bok starting front row were at it. The scrums where they actually had to set rather than engage and faf get it in quickly were night and day.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:12 am**

Swap out Daly, VDM, Sutherland and Watson. Start Owens. That's it.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:22 am**

I would only swap out Daly, he was several magnitudes shitter than the rest. Remember we won this game, no need for wholesale changes, i have not seen a single thing from this SA team that worries me. That is no disrepect to them, but they are a limited team, playing a limited game that the Lions have nullified.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:24 am**

Daly for the squad center best suited to crash ball (Aki?).

Otherwise no ther changes needed IMO - the teams biggest weakness was lack of cohesion. Lots of players we know can deliver had bad first halfs and feel dropping them is an overreaction.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:33 am**

ASMO wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:22 am I would only swap out Daly, he was several magnitudes shitter than the rest. Remember we won this game, no need for wholesale changes, i have not seen a single thing from this SA team that worries me. That is no disrepect to them, but they are a limited team, playing a limited game that the Lions have nullified.

Yep. Sefrica were very poor in that second half. Aimless kicking from a single game plan. Offered nothing in attack other than the box kick from De Klerk. Sefrica are going to have to up their game massively next week or the Lions will just do the same to them again.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:43 pm**

Yes I think we need to remember most of the Lions combos had never played a game together. But that is partly on the coaches. Should be better next week.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:43 pm**

Big D wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:03 am On to next week. The only real changes I'd be crying out for is Daly to be replaced and AWJ be a little more aggressive. Those 2 pens that were missed should have went to the corner IMO (said it at the time).

Seen some criticism of LCD and Surherland at scrum time but immediately after half time it was better. The Bok starting front row were at it. The scrums where they actually had to set rather than engage and faf get it in quickly were night and day.

I reckon Lawes is in as AWJ is wearing a brace to prevent his shoulder from going too far back which renders him unable to extend in the line out as I can’t recall the ball thrown to him???

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:10 pm**

Openside wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:43 pm
Big D wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:03 am On to next week. The only real changes I'd be crying out for is Daly to be replaced and AWJ be a little more aggressive. Those 2 pens that were missed should have went to the corner IMO (said it at the time).

Seen some criticism of LCD and Surherland at scrum time but immediately after half time it was better. The Bok starting front row were at it. The scrums where they actually had to set rather than engage and faf get it in quickly were night and day.
I reckon Lawes is in as AWJ is wearing a brace to prevent his shoulder from going too far back which renders him unable to extend in the line out as I can’t recall the ball thrown to him???

Agree about Daly - I would swap in Harris. Otherwise I would leave the team the same and let SA worry about what they need to do to make up the lost ground. I might also put Adams on the bench instead of Williams as he offers more attacking threat on the wing than Williams does.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:25 pm**

Seems to me, this is exactly what you want a world class full back to do.

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:13 am**

Openside wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:43 pm
Big D wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:03 am On to next week. The only real changes I'd be crying out for is Daly to be replaced and AWJ be a little more aggressive. Those 2 pens that were missed should have went to the corner IMO (said it at the time).

Seen some criticism of LCD and Surherland at scrum time but immediately after half time it was better. The Bok starting front row were at it. The scrums where they actually had to set rather than engage and faf get it in quickly were night and day.
I reckon Lawes is in as AWJ is wearing a brace to prevent his shoulder from going too far back which renders him unable to extend in the line out as I can’t recall the ball thrown to him???

The first lineout was thrown to him

Posted: **Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:20 am**

Worrah Twatgland gave the Scots and the sky sports vanity English players a go, as he had to and was probably contracted to, but they need to go now.

So Liam Williams.
Josh Adam's.
Wyn Jones.
Falatau and Beard to start.

Gareth Davies and Navidi on the bench.

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