NPR

Ovals wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:16 pm

Stranger wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:53 am I my find myself not particularly wanting to watch England at the moment.

Yep - my local club end up sending their ticket allocation back because no one want to fork out a fortune to watch England play. I certainly don't.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:01 pm Don't panic, the RFU have a master plan.


They're going to have a, Review

Stranger wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:53 am I my find myself not particularly wanting to watch England at the moment.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:01 pm

Ovals wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:16 pm

Stranger wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:53 am I my find myself not particularly wanting to watch England at the moment.

Yep - my local club end up sending their ticket allocation back because no one want to fork out a fortune to watch England play. I certainly don't.

SaintK probably best placed to advise on this but I know of a number of clubs in this position. I could have gone to all three tier one games having been offered tickets at face value in the week of the game, which is pretty unheard of. If anything forces the RFU’s hand here that’ll be it. They’re charging prices where you can justifiably expect to see top tier rugby and that’s not what is being served up, even before the coach comes out and says he’s not that fussed about the game

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 8:42 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 8:14 pm

petej wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:58 pm

Can the RFU afford to fire him? I notice the younger players are slowly getting worse as they spend more time with Jones and his coaching team.

Probably, if they really wanted to. I suspect results would need to be worse than they are to force them to that point given the shite they've already put up with and the difficulty of getting a replacement in with 1 international window left before the World Cup.

How much worse than 1 win, against Japan?

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:45 pm I assume the review will be:
‘Appreciate our amazing fans’
‘Disappointing 2022 but great young players’
Some mistakes made but Eddie has promised not to do it again
Distraction technique by announcing next HC for after the world cup (likely Robertson now)
‘Full confidence in squad’
Pray we beat Scotland at home

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:48 pm Leicester squeak past Irish in the end. Hope Margin's alright, at least Pearson got over the whitewash in impressive fashion.

Eddie Jones remained defiant in the wake of mounting criticism over England's performances after their defeat to South Africa, with the England head coach insisting he has a plan in place to win the Rugby World Cup next year.
Jones' worst year in charge with only five wins from 12 matches has left England going into 2023 under huge pressure to turn things around in the Six Nations ahead of the Rugby World Cup.
"I’ve got a plan for how England can win the World Cup, but it doesn’t go in a perfect line. Sometimes you need these games to make you understand the areas which need to be bolstered," Jones explained, before insisting that defeat to South Africa did not mean England's plans were disrupted.
"We’re not off track. You have days like that. I’ve had worse days than that. We felt really confident going into the game."
While Jones would not explain his issue with how the scrums were officiated by referee Angus Gardner, he stressed that he had "grave concerns" about how that area was refereed. "But that’s part of the deal isn’t it? You’ve got to live with that. I think we do need to improve in the scrum, but probably not as radically as you guys think," Jones added.
Ellis Genge, England's replacement prop, offered more insight into why the scrum calls went against England, with both of their front rows struggling.
"You’ve seen it with Sarries for years in the Prem and with Leicester when we were dominant last year. You get the 50/50s because you’re so dominant. It’s human nature. I’m not going to argue with it, I’d probably be the same," Genge explained.
"South Africa are renowned for being the best scrum so if the scrum goes down they’re probably going to get the call. We have to work twice as hard to keep it up and do our job. That’s not me taking anything away from them, they’re absolutely brilliant in that area. But are the odd 50/50s going their way? Of course they are. And rightly so because they’re so good in that area."
There are multiple problem areas for England to address, particularly their stunted attack. Yet Jones, somewhat defensively, insisted to supporters that there was enough time for England to peak for the World Cup.
“Hundred per cent. And I am sure [fans] will have doubts like you guys. I am standing in front of you and you’re telling me I don’t know how to coach, basically. Right? So that’s alright, and I am sure some of the fans feel like that. But, you know, it’s a progression to the World Cup, we have our ups and downs, today we were badly beaten at the scrum, and therefore the rest of the game becomes very difficult to judge."

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 7:58 pm If we’re going to blame the ref I’d have started with Faf knocking on just before a try rather than focussing on our poleaxed scrum

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:34 am The press is pretty vitriolic across the board.
In the end the thing that will jolt the RFU into action, or not, is ticket sales for the 6N. There's a half decent chance that they're not going to sell out the Italy game at this rate.

ASMO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:40 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:34 am The press is pretty vitriolic across the board.
In the end the thing that will jolt the RFU into action, or not, is ticket sales for the 6N. There's a half decent chance that they're not going to sell out the Italy game at this rate.

They keep emailing me telling me as a part of the Supporters Club i can have 4 tickets to that game, not a fucking chance will i part with a penny to go watch that shower,

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 7:34 pm Brass neck bullshit. Jones is selling.

Eddie Jones remained defiant in the wake of mounting criticism over England's performances after their defeat to South Africa, with the England head coach insisting he has a plan in place to win the Rugby World Cup next year.
Jones' worst year in charge with only five wins from 12 matches has left England going into 2023 under huge pressure to turn things around in the Six Nations ahead of the Rugby World Cup.
"I’ve got a plan for how England can win the World Cup, but it doesn’t go in a perfect line. Sometimes you need these games to make you understand the areas which need to be bolstered," Jones explained, before insisting that defeat to South Africa did not mean England's plans were disrupted.
"We’re not off track. You have days like that. I’ve had worse days than that. We felt really confident going into the game."
While Jones would not explain his issue with how the scrums were officiated by referee Angus Gardner, he stressed that he had "grave concerns" about how that area was refereed. "But that’s part of the deal isn’t it? You’ve got to live with that. I think we do need to improve in the scrum, but probably not as radically as you guys think," Jones added.
Ellis Genge, England's replacement prop, offered more insight into why the scrum calls went against England, with both of their front rows struggling.
"You’ve seen it with Sarries for years in the Prem and with Leicester when we were dominant last year. You get the 50/50s because you’re so dominant. It’s human nature. I’m not going to argue with it, I’d probably be the same," Genge explained.
"South Africa are renowned for being the best scrum so if the scrum goes down they’re probably going to get the call. We have to work twice as hard to keep it up and do our job. That’s not me taking anything away from them, they’re absolutely brilliant in that area. But are the odd 50/50s going their way? Of course they are. And rightly so because they’re so good in that area."
There are multiple problem areas for England to address, particularly their stunted attack. Yet Jones, somewhat defensively, insisted to supporters that there was enough time for England to peak for the World Cup.
“Hundred per cent. And I am sure [fans] will have doubts like you guys. I am standing in front of you and you’re telling me I don’t know how to coach, basically. Right? So that’s alright, and I am sure some of the fans feel like that. But, you know, it’s a progression to the World Cup, we have our ups and downs, today we were badly beaten at the scrum, and therefore the rest of the game becomes very difficult to judge."

https://archive.ph/R06nR

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:17 am

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 7:34 pm Brass neck bullshit. Jones is selling.

Eddie Jones remained defiant in the wake of mounting criticism over England's performances after their defeat to South Africa, with the England head coach insisting he has a plan in place to win the Rugby World Cup next year.
Jones' worst year in charge with only five wins from 12 matches has left England going into 2023 under huge pressure to turn things around in the Six Nations ahead of the Rugby World Cup.
"I’ve got a plan for how England can win the World Cup, but it doesn’t go in a perfect line. Sometimes you need these games to make you understand the areas which need to be bolstered," Jones explained, before insisting that defeat to South Africa did not mean England's plans were disrupted.
"We’re not off track. You have days like that. I’ve had worse days than that. We felt really confident going into the game."
While Jones would not explain his issue with how the scrums were officiated by referee Angus Gardner, he stressed that he had "grave concerns" about how that area was refereed. "But that’s part of the deal isn’t it? You’ve got to live with that. I think we do need to improve in the scrum, but probably not as radically as you guys think," Jones added.
Ellis Genge, England's replacement prop, offered more insight into why the scrum calls went against England, with both of their front rows struggling.
"You’ve seen it with Sarries for years in the Prem and with Leicester when we were dominant last year. You get the 50/50s because you’re so dominant. It’s human nature. I’m not going to argue with it, I’d probably be the same," Genge explained.
"South Africa are renowned for being the best scrum so if the scrum goes down they’re probably going to get the call. We have to work twice as hard to keep it up and do our job. That’s not me taking anything away from them, they’re absolutely brilliant in that area. But are the odd 50/50s going their way? Of course they are. And rightly so because they’re so good in that area."
There are multiple problem areas for England to address, particularly their stunted attack. Yet Jones, somewhat defensively, insisted to supporters that there was enough time for England to peak for the World Cup.
“Hundred per cent. And I am sure [fans] will have doubts like you guys. I am standing in front of you and you’re telling me I don’t know how to coach, basically. Right? So that’s alright, and I am sure some of the fans feel like that. But, you know, it’s a progression to the World Cup, we have our ups and downs, today we were badly beaten at the scrum, and therefore the rest of the game becomes very difficult to judge."

https://archive.ph/R06nR

Genge living in the same Lala Land as Jones. There were no 50/50s. Eng were taken to the cleaners in the scrum and the only wrong call was the 1st one...... which went to Eng.

Brazil wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:32 am The irony is that this is usually the situation when teams call in Eddie Jones to turn things round in short order. Maybe if we clone him we can get the version that's good for a limited period.

inactionman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:26 pm I put it here, although of more general interest - World Rugby looking at a 'shot clock' to get teams to get fingers out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/63782112

I still think 60 seconds is too long for a kick, and anything to speed up scrums will be most welcome. The only problem I see with timing scrums is the fact it takes both teams to engage, so might be a bit tricky to apportion blame.

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:31 pm

inactionman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:26 pm I put it here, although of more general interest - World Rugby looking at a 'shot clock' to get teams to get fingers out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/63782112

I still think 60 seconds is too long for a kick, and anything to speed up scrums will be most welcome. The only problem I see with timing scrums is the fact it takes both teams to engage, so might be a bit tricky to apportion blame.

I think they have this is the Top14 and it seems to work OK

• Poor selection - smacked of ulterior motives for why some are chosen and others are cast adrift
• Shocking tactics and game plan... AGAIN - felt like Nick Leeson doubling down because... well, he can't be that wrong can he?
• Good players who are in reasonable form just not playing well - not a single one, which means it's more than just bad luck
• Combinations still not working - goes back to the game plan problem... we're backed into a corner and not going to admit it's actually fucked
• Lacklustre efforts, emotion and drive - very few of the players ever looked up for it
• Bullshit excuses - from players who clearly know they cannot say anything other than the party line
• The fact this is all happening together, for the umpteenth time - enough is enough.

• Touch
  Engage

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 3:06 pm Shot clock is long overdue. I've mentioned this before but I often record Prem games to watch later, and skipping through half time, scrums and lineouts setting, injuries and kick delays I can normally do so in under an hour.
Scrums have got really silly on any number of levels as a timewasting, penalty producing monolith. Ready within [x] seconds or its a free kick IMO

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 3:25 pm Maximum 45 seconds from kicking tee on to taking kick.

Reduce scrum engage protocol to just;

• Touch
  Engage

Lineout: referee stands on the 15m to signal start of lineout, 10 seconds to get the ball in.

inactionman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 3:25 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 3:06 pm Shot clock is long overdue. I've mentioned this before but I often record Prem games to watch later, and skipping through half time, scrums and lineouts setting, injuries and kick delays I can normally do so in under an hour.
Scrums have got really silly on any number of levels as a timewasting, penalty producing monolith. Ready within [x] seconds or its a free kick IMO

As a complete aside, I'm quite enjoying the repeats on amazon prime, the programme starts pretty much with kickoff and they omit all of halftime.

I realise it's because they've no ads to shill, but it's quite refreshing.

inactionman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:34 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:31 pm

inactionman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:26 pm I put it here, although of more general interest - World Rugby looking at a 'shot clock' to get teams to get fingers out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/63782112

I still think 60 seconds is too long for a kick, and anything to speed up scrums will be most welcome. The only problem I see with timing scrums is the fact it takes both teams to engage, so might be a bit tricky to apportion blame.

I think they have this is the Top14 and it seems to work OK

They've got it for kicks in league, although I wasn't aware of it being such an issue in league it seems to be pretty straightforward. I think the scrum is going to require more thought - do the top14 time scrums as well, do you know?

Could always impose times for front rows to be ready to engage, I suppose, so if one side is tardy they can be penalised.

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 3:52 pm In more brilliant LI news, Arundell's posted what looks like a post op pic on social media. In hospital with his foot in a cast etc.

No info, but it's clearly fucked and don't expect to see him for a while

I have sat through countless press conferences where he has turned the heat on his media inquisitors, where he has persuaded us that of course his understanding of the process is so much deeper than ours and convinced us that his team are on course and that all will be well.

After a while, though, you see through this. Jones hits you with a barrage of persuasive stats but soon you realise that these numbers are inaccurate, sometimes laughably extreme, often just plain wrong. Does he actually make them up? And once you’ve understood that, then you are more likely to challenge the other information that he throws at you.

Honestly, it took us in the rugby media a while to get it, but we’re not fooled any more. Yes, us lot in the media. We must be so much smarter than the panellists on the RFU review because they keep buying it every time.