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Random1 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 1:28 pm For the Quins guys; what are murly’s strengths?

I’ve tried to watch a couple of highlights videos, but most of his tries seem to be run ins.

I’ve heard lots of people rave about him, so I’m assuming there’s plenty missing from the highlights reel.

Any insight?

inactionman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 11:16 am

ASMO wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 11:03 am

inactionman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 10:51 am

Willis - although not exactly a hidden gem - is an excellent signing.

They really need a new top end scrum half and some decent wings with Malins going. Van Zyl is a proper journeyman, Aled Davies has potential but he needs someone to learn from. Lewington and Maitland are definitely on the wane, Segun is decent but not tearing up any trees.

Malins is a weird one, as he looked well-set in the Sarries squad so not exactly surplus to requirement. Can only assume the offer from Briz was substantially more.
In saying that, I vaguely recall some disagreements over his preferred position, not sure where he fits in the lego set with e.g. Daly and Goode variously wing and fullback, Malins seemed to get chopped around a fair old bit.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 1:37 pm

Random1 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 1:28 pm For the Quins guys; what are murly’s strengths?

I’ve tried to watch a couple of highlights videos, but most of his tries seem to be run ins.

I’ve heard lots of people rave about him, so I’m assuming there’s plenty missing from the highlights reel.

Any insight?

My concern with Murley is that he looks - to me - a much better player in the Premiership than he does in the European cup. I hope I'm wrong, but I think he'll be exposed quite badly at test level.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 1:41 pm Malins wanted to stay at Sarries but Bristol allegedly offered £100k a year more.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:17 pm He was already rumoured to be off, but it's now confirmed that Joe Simmonds will be heading to Pau for next season.

ASMO wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 1:39 pm short sighted of Sarries as potentially Goode must be only a year or 2 from hanging his boots up.

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:22 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:17 pm He was already rumoured to be off, but it's now confirmed that Joe Simmonds will be heading to Pau for next season.

...........and another one bites the dust!

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 1:43 pm And - unlike Nowell even at his peak - Murley has the ability to find the try line on a regular basis.

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:56 pm What is the latest on Wasps and Worcester?

A RFU statement read: “The RFU Board was also not satisfied with the information provided, in particular relating to the financial position of the buyer and their ability to continue to fund the club and to deliver on the business plan provided which included significant development at the Sixways site.

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 5:33 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:56 pm What is the latest on Wasps and Worcester?

The Wasps business plan and takeover was accepted so looks like they will enter the Championship nnext season playing out of Solihull FC

The Worcester plan was rejected. ,as the consortium refused to accept all the conditions laid down by the RFU. I think the deadline is the end of this month if Warriors are going to survive ata all.

A RFU statement read: “The RFU Board was also not satisfied with the information provided, in particular relating to the financial position of the buyer and their ability to continue to fund the club and to deliver on the business plan provided which included significant development at the Sixways site.

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:20 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 1:41 pm Malins wanted to stay at Sarries but Bristol allegedly offered £100k a year more.

Thought he also wanted to play at full back and not stuck on the wing which was part of his decision making

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 6:15 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:20 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 1:41 pm Malins wanted to stay at Sarries but Bristol allegedly offered £100k a year more.

Thought he also wanted to play at full back and not stuck on the wing which was part of his decision making

Maybe. I suspect the £100k was the clincher though!

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:43 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 1:43 pm And - unlike Nowell even at his peak - Murley has the ability to find the try line on a regular basis.

Yes.

All wingers who score lots of tries will have plenty of run-ins. Murley's got plenty of great finishes in there along with a lot of breaks. Nowell's strength plus a decent amount of gas and good acceleration leads to an excellent player.

And to show that it's not just run-ins... excitement machine Mateo Carreras has made 796 metres in the Prem. Murley is second on 793. Only Woodburn comes close to those two. Carreras tops pretty much every stat for a winger - metres, tries, breaks, defenders beaten - but Murley is 2nd on breaks, 3rd on defenders beaten, 3rd on tries...

Random1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:40 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:43 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 1:43 pm And - unlike Nowell even at his peak - Murley has the ability to find the try line on a regular basis.

Yes.

All wingers who score lots of tries will have plenty of run-ins. Murley's got plenty of great finishes in there along with a lot of breaks. Nowell's strength plus a decent amount of gas and good acceleration leads to an excellent player.

And to show that it's not just run-ins... excitement machine Mateo Carreras has made 796 metres in the Prem. Murley is second on 793. Only Woodburn comes close to those two. Carreras tops pretty much every stat for a winger - metres, tries, breaks, defenders beaten - but Murley is 2nd on breaks, 3rd on defenders beaten, 3rd on tries...

Excellent. Thank you for the view. Always love a new winger for England.

I still have the heart ache from thinking varndell was going to be the best winger ever because of a highlights reel, so I never trust them.

Much better to get a fan’s view.

Random1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:40 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:43 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 1:43 pm And - unlike Nowell even at his peak - Murley has the ability to find the try line on a regular basis.

Yes.

All wingers who score lots of tries will have plenty of run-ins. Murley's got plenty of great finishes in there along with a lot of breaks. Nowell's strength plus a decent amount of gas and good acceleration leads to an excellent player.

And to show that it's not just run-ins... excitement machine Mateo Carreras has made 796 metres in the Prem. Murley is second on 793. Only Woodburn comes close to those two. Carreras tops pretty much every stat for a winger - metres, tries, breaks, defenders beaten - but Murley is 2nd on breaks, 3rd on defenders beaten, 3rd on tries...

Excellent. Thank you for the view. Always love a new winger for England.

I still have the heart ache from thinking varndell was going to be the best winger ever because of a highlights reel, so I never trust them.

Much better to get a fan’s view.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:27 am

Random1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:40 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:43 pm

Yes.

All wingers who score lots of tries will have plenty of run-ins. Murley's got plenty of great finishes in there along with a lot of breaks. Nowell's strength plus a decent amount of gas and good acceleration leads to an excellent player.

And to show that it's not just run-ins... excitement machine Mateo Carreras has made 796 metres in the Prem. Murley is second on 793. Only Woodburn comes close to those two. Carreras tops pretty much every stat for a winger - metres, tries, breaks, defenders beaten - but Murley is 2nd on breaks, 3rd on defenders beaten, 3rd on tries...

Excellent. Thank you for the view. Always love a new winger for England.

I still have the heart ache from thinking varndell was going to be the best winger ever because of a highlights reel, so I never trust them.

Much better to get a fan’s view.

Yes, you can be assured that you'll get a very objective even-handed opinion on Murley from JM.

ASMO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:28 am

Random1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:40 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:43 pm

Yes.

All wingers who score lots of tries will have plenty of run-ins. Murley's got plenty of great finishes in there along with a lot of breaks. Nowell's strength plus a decent amount of gas and good acceleration leads to an excellent player.

And to show that it's not just run-ins... excitement machine Mateo Carreras has made 796 metres in the Prem. Murley is second on 793. Only Woodburn comes close to those two. Carreras tops pretty much every stat for a winger - metres, tries, breaks, defenders beaten - but Murley is 2nd on breaks, 3rd on defenders beaten, 3rd on tries...

Excellent. Thank you for the view. Always love a new winger for England.

I still have the heart ache from thinking varndell was going to be the best winger ever because of a highlights reel, so I never trust them.

Much better to get a fan’s view.

Any winger is only as good as what is inside him to be honest.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:15 am
See also: Malins being scapegoated for England's attack last 6N when he probably touched the ball three times

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:29 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:15 am
See also: Malins being scapegoated for England's attack last 6N when he probably touched the ball three times

Somewhat fair, also somewhat ignores you influence the play off the ball, and much more so if the defence thinks you've got pace (and/or power). And if Malins is alongside Steward a defence is very happy they'll be safe on the outside, so even if Malins doesn't get the ball he's still a part of the problem.

And Malins isn't such a great option working off his wing, and doesn't thus far deliver fast ball from rucks when required. Of course what we haven't made use of is Malins ability to stand at 10, which you could avail yourself of, and you might even be happy to if you only had one of Ford, Smith or Farrell

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:43 pm Yes.

All wingers who score lots of tries will have plenty of run-ins.

Raggs wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:56 pm Tackle height for all levels from Nat 1 and below (and all age grade) will be at waist level or lower starting next season. With a focus on both the tackler and the carriers height.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:09 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:56 pm Tackle height for all levels from Nat 1 and below (and all age grade) will be at waist level or lower starting next season. With a focus on both the tackler and the carriers height.

Seemed inevitable. Will be curious how it goes.

Ovals wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:40 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:09 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:56 pm Tackle height for all levels from Nat 1 and below (and all age grade) will be at waist level or lower starting next season. With a focus on both the tackler and the carriers height.

Seemed inevitable. Will be curious how it goes.

Could make for a more exciting, more free flowing, game.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:09 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:56 pm Tackle height for all levels from Nat 1 and below (and all age grade) will be at waist level or lower starting next season. With a focus on both the tackler and the carriers height.

Seemed inevitable. Will be curious how it goes.

France and Fiji are running trials to reduce the tackle height to the waist at community level with the rationale of lowering the risk of head injuries to both the tackler and tackled player. Initial feedback from the Fédération Française de Rugby (FFR) is positive, suggesting a more expansive game in addition to compelling player welfare benefits as outlined by the French Rugby Federation:

Threefold reduction in match injuries so far

60 per cent decrease in head impacts

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:40 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:29 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:15 am
See also: Malins being scapegoated for England's attack last 6N when he probably touched the ball three times

Somewhat fair, also somewhat ignores you influence the play off the ball, and much more so if the defence thinks you've got pace (and/or power). And if Malins is alongside Steward a defence is very happy they'll be safe on the outside, so even if Malins doesn't get the ball he's still a part of the problem.

Malins isn't slow, I don't know why this has become a thing. He's also got excellent footwork and when he did get the ball he showed he was fully capable of scaring defences.

And Malins isn't such a great option working off his wing, and doesn't thus far deliver fast ball from rucks when required. Of course what we haven't made use of is Malins ability to stand at 10, which you could avail yourself of, and you might even be happy to if you only had one of Ford, Smith or Farrell

Can you explain what you mean by "doesn't deliver fast ball" - is this just about him not being able to truck it up? (fair enough if so, but something he could work on).

I'm not sure even Sarries or Briz cared much about his ability to stand at 10 when playing in the back three; his skills as a distributor are actually far more useful when he's in a wider channel ( i.e. 13) given his running skills.


edit: This sort of thing is why Malins should still be in the mix



He has a similar rugby brain to Smith and he roasts his opposite number there without breaking a sweat; the two players combine in a really natural way to turn an area with 5 defenders vs 2 attackers into a walk-in.

Raggs wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:56 pm Tackle height for all levels from Nat 1 and below (and all age grade) will be at waist level or lower starting next season. With a focus on both the tackler and the carriers height.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:47 pm

Ovals wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:40 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:09 pm

Seemed inevitable. Will be curious how it goes.

Could make for a more exciting, more free flowing, game.

Yup, it will encourage good support running and offloading out of the tackle.

Credit where it's due, I'm quick to criticise the authorities for not taking action, this is a good start, well done the RFU

charltom wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 2:49 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:47 pm

Ovals wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:40 pm

Could make for a more exciting, more free flowing, game.

Yup, it will encourage good support running and offloading out of the tackle.

Credit where it's due, I'm quick to criticise the authorities for not taking action, this is a good start, well done the RFU

How do they propose you defend your line?

Or will attackers no longer be allowed to bend forward at the waist?

charltom wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 2:49 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:47 pm

Ovals wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:40 pm

Could make for a more exciting, more free flowing, game.

Yup, it will encourage good support running and offloading out of the tackle.

Credit where it's due, I'm quick to criticise the authorities for not taking action, this is a good start, well done the RFU

How do they propose you defend your line?

Or will attackers no longer be allowed to bend forward at the waist?

Raggs wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 2:49 pm By christ there's some twitter over reactions.... end of grassroots rugby apparently. People recalling the awfully setup trial in the championship, ignoring the fact that France have been doing this for years, and provide a much larger dataset.