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Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:30 pm

Brazil wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:26 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:19 pm



FFS, I never said they were. Do you cunts ever fucking read threads?

So your argument is that if you go low you'll be less likely to be handed off? Or that grabbing an arm and then wrapping might be a penalty if you get it wrong, like it is already?

Just read the fucking thread, Jesus wept!

To attack a hand-off the tackler has to remain upright which won't look good.

If a tackler tries to go under the hand-off the attacker can just fend him off by pushing him down.

Don't attack the fending arm then. Which will be easy because you'll be low anyway, then you can wrap the legs.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:57 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:46 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:39 pm

Like I said - we'll have to see what happens. I don't think it's a real problem in any way. Firstly because the concern that people won't be allowed to grab the arm or attack the fend seems unfounded, and secondly because I think players tackling waist high or lower are a) more likely to not give a shit about the fend and focus on the tackle, and b) less likely to be fended off successfully than going high in the first place.

Nothing about it screams big problem to me.

I bet you that the higher the standard of the players the more this will specifically be an issue. It's an obvious area for a coach to exploit.

What are they exploiting?

If you're a ball carrier and you know in advance what the tackle choice is of the defender then you exploit that.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:00 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:57 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:46 pm



I bet you that the higher the standard of the players the more this will specifically be an issue. It's an obvious area for a coach to exploit.

What are they exploiting?

If you're a ball carrier and you know in advance what the tackle choice is of the defender then you exploit that.

Right, yeah, that seems reasonable. Players no longer being able to tackle chest high will have an impact on the game. We agree there.

Though there's still a difference between waist-high driving tackles and chop tackles. However even the FRENCH KLAXON ALERT other trials showed the game was faster and more open as a result.

Brazil wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:00 pm Don't attack the fending arm then. Which will be easy because you'll be low anyway, then you can wrap the legs.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:05 pm

Brazil wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:00 pm Don't attack the fending arm then. Which will be easy because you'll be low anyway, then you can wrap the legs.

As Raggs pointed out, noted big busting ball carrier Manu got tackled there.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:08 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:05 pm

Brazil wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:00 pm Don't attack the fending arm then. Which will be easy because you'll be low anyway, then you can wrap the legs.

As Raggs pointed out, noted big busting ball carrier Manu got tackled there.

Sure. I believe everything I read in here as well.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:09 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:08 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:05 pm

As Raggs pointed out, noted big busting ball carrier Manu got tackled there.

Sure. I believe everything I read in here as well.

Well, here's the next shot



Manu Tuilagi, scorer of England's second-half try, is tackled by Vincent Clerc during the Six Nations victory over France.

(tbf, that looks like Parra to me)

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:18 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:09 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:08 pm

As Raggs pointed out, noted big busting ball carrier Manu got tackled there.

Sure. I believe everything I read in here as well.

Well, here's the next shot



Manu Tuilagi, scorer of England's second-half try, is tackled by Vincent Clerc during the Six Nations victory over France.

Brave.

Got the shot after that one?

In fact, here it is:



An object lesson in taking a still photo and claiming it supports your perspective. Tuilagi's fend there does sweet fuck all, Parra goes straight under it and nails him to stop the try

Nailed him is a bit strong, he didn't complete the tackle but it isn't the best example.

I maintain that if I was a coach with decent players, I'd be looking to exploit this. It might improve things, we might have 55-53 scorelines. Who knows.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 4:36 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:35 pm Italy game well on course to be the lowest attendance since the South Stand was being redeveloped. Only themselves to blame for dire product on the pitch and a cheapest ticket of £93. That's over doubled in six years

Have we ever not sold out 6N home game?

Serves the RFU right for continuing to gouge with prices.

Not to my knowledge - probably there's been the odd single seat available but that would be it.
Just madness as well, I came up from uni to an Italy game a few years ago with a largeish group of us. Tickets were at least half the price of what they will be this year but we put more than the difference each behind the bars

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:31 am

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 4:36 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:35 pm Italy game well on course to be the lowest attendance since the South Stand was being redeveloped. Only themselves to blame for dire product on the pitch and a cheapest ticket of £93. That's over doubled in six years

Have we ever not sold out 6N home game?

Serves the RFU right for continuing to gouge with prices.

Not to my knowledge - probably there's been the odd single seat available but that would be it.
Just madness as well, I came up from uni to an Italy game a few years ago with a largeish group of us. Tickets were at least half the price of what they will be this year but we put more than the difference each behind the bars

There are swathes of seats available in the North and South upper stands for that match. I've been doing the international tickets at my club for years and never seen so ,many available so close to the start. Cost of living plus RFU greed!

Far be it from me to avoid giving a corporation a kicking when I can, but aren't the prices a reflection of monies lost during Covid?

Of course, international rugby has become prohibitively expensive for many over the last decade, but recent events have probably accelerated the price rises.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:59 am Far be it from me to avoid giving a corporation a kicking when I can, but aren't the prices a reflection of monies lost during Covid?

Of course, international rugby has become prohibitively expensive for many over the last decade, but recent events have probably accelerated the price rises.

Yes, most definitely

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:59 am Far be it from me to avoid giving a corporation a kicking when I can, but aren't the prices a reflection of monies lost during Covid?

Of course, international rugby has become prohibitively expensive for many over the last decade, but recent events have probably accelerated the price rises.

Indeed, but they also need to be aware of the commercial realities and price their tickets at a level that will sell, and they have clearly failed to do so for the Italy match.

Tickets for the Womens 6 Nation match between England and France in April are priced at £25 for Adults and £5 for children, so they don't have to charge £95 a ticket for all games at Twickenham.

Lobby wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 9:40 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:59 am Far be it from me to avoid giving a corporation a kicking when I can, but aren't the prices a reflection of monies lost during Covid?

Of course, international rugby has become prohibitively expensive for many over the last decade, but recent events have probably accelerated the price rises.

Indeed, but they also need to be aware of the commercial realities and price their tickets at a level that will sell, and they have clearly failed to do so for the Italy match.

Tickets for the Womens 6 Nation match between England and France in April are priced at £25 for Adults and £5 for children, so they don't have to charge £95 a ticket for all games at Twickenham.

They've pitched the pricing wrongly for the Italy match though child price is £30
£195 for the Premium tickets for the last match against the AB's. Sold out my club allocation in less than 24 hours

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 9:49 am

Lobby wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 9:40 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:59 am Far be it from me to avoid giving a corporation a kicking when I can, but aren't the prices a reflection of monies lost during Covid?

Of course, international rugby has become prohibitively expensive for many over the last decade, but recent events have probably accelerated the price rises.

Indeed, but they also need to be aware of the commercial realities and price their tickets at a level that will sell, and they have clearly failed to do so for the Italy match.

Tickets for the Womens 6 Nation match between England and France in April are priced at £25 for Adults and £5 for children, so they don't have to charge £95 a ticket for all games at Twickenham.

They've pitched the pricing wrongly for the Italy match though child price is £30
£195 for the Premium tickets for the last match against the AB's. Sold out my club allocation in less than 24 hours

My recollection is that the Italy match has always been the hardest sell of the 6N matches, and used to be the only one for which there were still some tickets left for public sale after the club allocations had been sold. Mind you, I've never seen as many tickets still unsold as this year.

I was at the Calcutta Cup match ten years ago, I've just had a look at some photos and we were towards the top of the middle tier, between halfway and the 10m line, in the stand opposite where the players run out. The tickets were around £80 iirc.

What would these seats sell for now?

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 10:16 am I was at the Calcutta Cup match ten years ago, I've just had a look at some photos and we were towards the top of the middle tier, between halfway and the 10m line, in the stand opposite where the players run out. The tickets were around £80 iirc.

What would these seats sell for now?

Without checking as I’m on a train £140 I think

Good news, everyone!

Jack Willis is out of the training camp with an injury, but not sure how long term it is!

Apparently he was training in a trio of him, Ben Curry and Dombrandt, so one of Earl or Ludlam should step in, or Simmonds out of position, or another bloody 5.5.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 10:41 am Good news, everyone!

Jack Willis is out of the training camp with an injury, but not sure how long term it is!

Apparently he was training in a trio of him, Ben Curry and Dombrandt, so one of Earl or Ludlam should step in, or Simmonds out of position, or another bloody 5.5.

Injuring players all the time, bloody Eddie Jon.... Borthers.

FFS. In other news, Cockers out after the 6N apparently.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:59 am Far be it from me to avoid giving a corporation a kicking when I can, but aren't the prices a reflection of monies lost during Covid?

Of course, international rugby has become prohibitively expensive for many over the last decade, but recent events have probably accelerated the price rises.

Of course, but there's a limit and £100+ for poor seats for Italy on a Sunday is poor commercial awareness. It will be the first home game vs Italy I've missed in a long time and I'm sure others will be in the same boat, and so the RFU misses out on everything all of us would have bought inside the ground. I've said in here before, no issue with premium seats being gouged for all their worth and I understand the commercial realities, but charging those prices for that game just takes the piss, and clearly a fair chunk of the English rugby public agree with me.

I'm getting regular begging emails from the RFU marketing Italy tickets to me. Not sure I've seen that this close to the 6N before.

But put on a shit spectacle and charge high prices, don't be surprised when no one turns up.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 12:37 pm I'm getting regular begging emails from the RFU marketing Italy tickets to me. Not sure I've seen that this close to the 6N before.

But put on a shit spectacle and charge high prices, don't be surprised when no one turns up.

Yep. It isn't uncommon for Italy to go on general sale, it is uncommon for those tickets not to be snapped up. Two x £60 say is a great Christmas present, not hard to see how this isn't working

Just imagine how shite ticket sales would be if Eddie Jones was still in charge!

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 10:41 am Good news, everyone!

Jack Willis is out of the training camp with an injury, but not sure how long term it is!

Apparently he was training in a trio of him, Ben Curry and Dombrandt, so one of Earl or Ludlam should step in, or Simmonds out of position, or another bloody 5.5.

Bugger - we've got cover in depth in the Backrow but that's definitely a blow.

England v Italy used to be one of the games I'd wander up to the stadium at around kickoff time and see if the touts were unloading cheap tickets. I got a few cheap games doing that. Paying face value back then seemed bad value, let alone now.

Ovals wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 1:07 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 10:41 am Good news, everyone!

Jack Willis is out of the training camp with an injury, but not sure how long term it is!

Apparently he was training in a trio of him, Ben Curry and Dombrandt, so one of Earl or Ludlam should step in, or Simmonds out of position, or another bloody 5.5.

Bugger - we've got cover in depth in the Backrow but that's definitely a blow.

Evidently he's not injured though - just has to return to the Toulouse Squad today and is, therefore, unavailable to train with England this weekend. All being good he'll return early next week. Not ideal though.

Ovals wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 1:32 pm

Ovals wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 1:07 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 10:41 am Good news, everyone!

Jack Willis is out of the training camp with an injury, but not sure how long term it is!

Apparently he was training in a trio of him, Ben Curry and Dombrandt, so one of Earl or Ludlam should step in, or Simmonds out of position, or another bloody 5.5.

Bugger - we've got cover in depth in the Backrow but that's definitely a blow.

Evidently he's not injured though - just has to return to the Toulouse Squad today and is, therefore, unavailable to train with England this weekend. All being good he'll return early next week. Not ideal though.

He's not? That's good. He may not be good to go for the first match, but hopefully he can get into the squad.

Seems I assumed "not available" to mean "injured". Understandable in light of Jones' training camps.

Hopefully we've also moved on from the seaborne squad building activities, too. I appreciate the male form as much as anyone, but I draw the line at Tweets of props in Speedos.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:37 pm Seems I assumed "not available" to mean "injured". Understandable in light of Jones' training camps.

Hopefully we've also moved on from the seaborne squad building activities, too. I appreciate the male form as much as anyone, but I draw the line at Tweets of props in Speedos.

Borthwick cancelled a Portugal training camp.

I was just having a look at the three European league tables and a question occurred to me regarding the English leagues - what happened to the points gained/lost during games involving Wasps and Wuss?

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 8:38 am I was just having a look at the three European league tables and a question occurred to me regarding the English leagues - what happened to the points gained/lost during games involving Wasps and Wuss?

Points taken away. League tables are as if they had not been played. Only semi fair way they could do it really.

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 8:41 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 8:38 am I was just having a look at the three European league tables and a question occurred to me regarding the English leagues - what happened to the points gained/lost during games involving Wasps and Wuss?

Points taken away. League tables are as if they had not been played. Only semi fair way they could do it really.

Thanks, yeah it is the only fair way, really.

Daly out for 12 weeks with serious hamstring injury and will miss all the 6N

Borthwick really is the continuity candidate eh

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:41 pm Borthwick really is the continuity candidate eh

Daly's injury came from the Sarries match.

SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:38 pm Daly out for 12 weeks with serious hamstring injury and will miss all the 6N

Bloody hell. Sarries have lost their best forward and their best back.

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 2:14 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:41 pm Borthwick really is the continuity candidate eh

Daly's injury came from the Sarries match.

<needle scratch> Is there no end to the damage they are willing to do to English rugby?