Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:52 am
Faz on the bench would be a huge step. But France is a hell of a challenge to face.
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Farrell was 100% in the AI's against Argentina, Japan and the AB's but went to pot against SA and doesn't appear to have recovered form.sinceJM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:44 pm Farrell's kicking has been looking pretty wobbly for a while now, it's not a new thing. He was at 75% for the league back in January. It just seems to have completely abandoned him recently. I don't doubt that he'll work his way back to being a good kicker, though I'd be surprised if he ended up being Wilko-lite like before.
Smith missed a kick against Exeter but if the stats I'm looking at are right, he's at 92.5% for the league and 80% for Europe. He's yet to have a bad day for England, though I'm sure it'll happen because it happens to everyone. Even Faz at his height had the occasional day where it all went wrong - such is the life of a rugby goalkicker.
And yes, if the hip is restricting him that much, he should've been given the Italy game off to recover. I don't see the value in making a physically compromised player with a lot of miles on the clock play that game, which suggests it's probably just nothing more than rumour.
He had another strong performance for Sale at the weekend. He should be in the match day squad ahead of MakoHal Jordan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:45 pm Released -
Dunn
Youngs (He's finally third banana)
Lawes (broken)
Freeman
Rodd
Ford
Simmonds
Murley
Brings to mind the utter ‘mare Charlie Hodgson had against South Africa (?), where Mike Tindall ended up doing the goalkicking (and being surprisingly good!).sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:59 pm What's weird is how occasional bad days cling to some players and are hand waved away for others. The classic case being that random summer test against Wales where George Ford orchestrated a 5 tries to 1 victory, but had an off day with the boot that haunted discourse around him for some time. Some out there still think he's a poorer place kicked than Farrell.
It's a strange one alright.SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:53 pmHe had another strong performance for Sale at the weekend. He should be in the match day squad ahead of MakoHal Jordan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:45 pm Released -
Dunn
Youngs (He's finally third banana)
Lawes (broken)
Freeman
Rodd
Ford
Simmonds
Murley
Maybe Borthwick thinks the top two inches are the ones Makon occasionally manages in contact. Or perhaps how high his head is off the floor in the scrum nowadays.inactionman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 4:10 pmIt's a strange one alright.SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:53 pmHe had another strong performance for Sale at the weekend. He should be in the match day squad ahead of MakoHal Jordan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:45 pm Released -
Dunn
Youngs (He's finally third banana)
Lawes (broken)
Freeman
Rodd
Ford
Simmonds
Murley
If I was going to guess it's that Mako has decent hands, very good actually. And once Genge and Sinckler go off we're otherwise left with Dombrandt who may also go off. And whilst the rest are hardly as bad as Haskell the entire attack shape needs to change if no one can take and give the ball under pressure, so it's an accepted trade offinactionman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 4:27 pm Mako's playing well in the loose but I can only assume Borthwick and Cockers have a plan in place to make him less of a liability in the scrum.
Also assuming that will be more than just suggesting he pushes a bit harder.
It can't carry on as it has was, surely.
I find this surprising! Rodd for me is an excellent modern day prop - he can hold his own in the scrum, looks technically good, had good hands, is mobile and will win a few turnovers at the breakdown. I can't understand Mako being retained and Rodd not. What is it we don't know or can't see?Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 5:29 pmIf I was going to guess it's that Mako has decent hands, very good actually. And once Genge and Sinckler go off we're otherwise left with Dombrandt who may also go off. And whilst the rest are hardly as bad as Haskell the entire attack shape needs to change if no one can take and give the ball under pressure, so it's an accepted trade offinactionman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 4:27 pm Mako's playing well in the loose but I can only assume Borthwick and Cockers have a plan in place to make him less of a liability in the scrum.
Also assuming that will be more than just suggesting he pushes a bit harder.
It can't carry on as it has was, surely.
Ribbans not going to France might've helped. I suppose it does give a clearer route back in for Launchbury, so there's that if he can play and stay fit
They’re still under the EQP limitations aren’t they?dpedin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:16 pmI find this surprising! Rodd for me is an excellent modern day prop - he can hold his own in the scrum, looks technically good, had good hands, is mobile and will win a few turnovers at the breakdown. I can't understand Mako being retained and Rodd not. What is it we don't know or can't see?Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 5:29 pmIf I was going to guess it's that Mako has decent hands, very good actually. And once Genge and Sinckler go off we're otherwise left with Dombrandt who may also go off. And whilst the rest are hardly as bad as Haskell the entire attack shape needs to change if no one can take and give the ball under pressure, so it's an accepted trade offinactionman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 4:27 pm Mako's playing well in the loose but I can only assume Borthwick and Cockers have a plan in place to make him less of a liability in the scrum.
Also assuming that will be more than just suggesting he pushes a bit harder.
It can't carry on as it has was, surely.
Ribbans not going to France might've helped. I suppose it does give a clearer route back in for Launchbury, so there's that if he can play and stay fit
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:34 pm Telegraph saying Smith is confirmed as starting and Faz knew before the Tuesday press conference
If Rodd had done more in the chances he's had that would be more of a thing. But, and it's not much of a criticism of a very young prop who in truth has barely had a go, his delivery has thus far come at a lower level.dpedin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:16 pmI find this surprising! Rodd for me is an excellent modern day prop - he can hold his own in the scrum, looks technically good, had good hands, is mobile and will win a few turnovers at the breakdown. I can't understand Mako being retained and Rodd not. What is it we don't know or can't see?Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 5:29 pmIf I was going to guess it's that Mako has decent hands, very good actually. And once Genge and Sinckler go off we're otherwise left with Dombrandt who may also go off. And whilst the rest are hardly as bad as Haskell the entire attack shape needs to change if no one can take and give the ball under pressure, so it's an accepted trade offinactionman wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 4:27 pm Mako's playing well in the loose but I can only assume Borthwick and Cockers have a plan in place to make him less of a liability in the scrum.
Also assuming that will be more than just suggesting he pushes a bit harder.
It can't carry on as it has was, surely.
Ribbans not going to France might've helped. I suppose it does give a clearer route back in for Launchbury, so there's that if he can play and stay fit
You can take him at his word and his actions follow. He hired Nick Evans as his attack coach (and sounds like the position is open for him to go to the WC now as well), he gave Smith instructions as to what he wanted and he's followed through on it.Random1 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:35 pmPaddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:34 pm Telegraph saying Smith is confirmed as starting and Faz knew before the Tuesday press conference
Got to say, the new set up is making some good calls. I’m now very excited for the weekend. Even if we lose, we’ve given it our best crack of attack rather than curled into a ball.
Hope he also puts Marchant in at 13 - he knows how Evans wants to atack and obviously has a good working ralationship with Smith. And Slade has been very iffy in the last 2 games. Not the end of the world if he plays Slade though - he might also benefit from a more adventurous attack.Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:47 pmYou can take him at his word and his actions follow. He hired Nick Evans as his attack coach (and sounds like the position is open for him to go to the WC now as well), he gave Smith instructions as to what he wanted and he's followed through on it.Random1 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:35 pmPaddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:34 pm Telegraph saying Smith is confirmed as starting and Faz knew before the Tuesday press conference
Got to say, the new set up is making some good calls. I’m now very excited for the weekend. Even if we lose, we’ve given it our best crack of attack rather than curled into a ball.
Smith now will have a proper distributing scrum half, a powerful 12 and his preferred 8, alongside pace on the wings and a ball playing 13. He has his own attack coach who he has a great relationship with at a ground he knows well. The excuses are all gone, so I hope he gets given both games now to see if he can hack it with the big boys. I have my reservations but I (genuinely) wish him the best and will be delighted if it does come off.
Maro Itoje has revealed that he suffered from an undiagnosed medical condition over the past year which affected his performances on the field.
Itoje added that the issue had since been resolved ahead of facing France.
“I guess over the last year or so there have been things which have probably affected my conditioning, which has resulted in me being perhaps a little less energised,” Itoje told the i and the Times.
“There have been injury bits, a few niggles, a few things that I’ve had ongoing which I didn’t know were ongoing. I’m not using that as an excuse or anything. The reason I’m being coy is that it was some health things, which I know have had an impact.
“It was an underlying thing, which none of us knew was going on. That’s the reason for a lot of how I was feeling during that time. All of that stuff has now been fixed.
“I feel as if there’s definitely more growth in my game, but week on week, day by day, I’m feeling better and better. The future is definitely brighter.”
Woodward's already weighed in to say that if we want to win the world cup this year it should be Farrell at 10.
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:01 am Interesting, and a little concerning. Hopefully all resolved as he says:
Maro Itoje has revealed that he suffered from an undiagnosed medical condition over the past year which affected his performances on the field.
Itoje added that the issue had since been resolved ahead of facing France.
“I guess over the last year or so there have been things which have probably affected my conditioning, which has resulted in me being perhaps a little less energised,” Itoje told the i and the Times.
“There have been injury bits, a few niggles, a few things that I’ve had ongoing which I didn’t know were ongoing. I’m not using that as an excuse or anything. The reason I’m being coy is that it was some health things, which I know have had an impact.
“It was an underlying thing, which none of us knew was going on. That’s the reason for a lot of how I was feeling during that time. All of that stuff has now been fixed.
“I feel as if there’s definitely more growth in my game, but week on week, day by day, I’m feeling better and better. The future is definitely brighter.”
It is nowJM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 12:43 pm Is it official, then? It's a really big call, not least because he made Farrell captain. I'm surprised and happy that he's prepared to do this - it's right up there with not keeping Youngs as a safety net and being willing to look at alternatives to Tuilagi et al.
Big pressure on Smith to perform but that's life. Here's hoping we really tear into them.
Looking like the Telegraph is the go-to source for insider info on this England setup...
Confirmed. Smith at 10, Genge captain.JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 12:43 pm Is it official, then? It's a really big call, not least because he made Farrell captain. I'm surprised and happy that he's prepared to do this - it's right up there with not keeping Youngs as a safety net and being willing to look at alternatives to Tuilagi et al.
Big pressure on Smith to perform but that's life. Here's hoping we really tear into them.
Looking like the Telegraph is the go-to source for insider info on this England setup...
Good to see Ribbans on the bench in place of Isekwe. The bench is still a bit underwhelming though.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 1:37 pmIt is nowJM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 12:43 pm Is it official, then? It's a really big call, not least because he made Farrell captain. I'm surprised and happy that he's prepared to do this - it's right up there with not keeping Youngs as a safety net and being willing to look at alternatives to Tuilagi et al.
Big pressure on Smith to perform but that's life. Here's hoping we really tear into them.
Looking like the Telegraph is the go-to source for insider info on this England setup...
Does that go away? Must say my first thought was an early cancer diagnosis but I have nothing to base that on.Kawazaki wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 1:07 pmPaddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:01 am Interesting, and a little concerning. Hopefully all resolved as he says:
Maro Itoje has revealed that he suffered from an undiagnosed medical condition over the past year which affected his performances on the field.
Itoje added that the issue had since been resolved ahead of facing France.
“I guess over the last year or so there have been things which have probably affected my conditioning, which has resulted in me being perhaps a little less energised,” Itoje told the i and the Times.
“There have been injury bits, a few niggles, a few things that I’ve had ongoing which I didn’t know were ongoing. I’m not using that as an excuse or anything. The reason I’m being coy is that it was some health things, which I know have had an impact.
“It was an underlying thing, which none of us knew was going on. That’s the reason for a lot of how I was feeling during that time. All of that stuff has now been fixed.
“I feel as if there’s definitely more growth in my game, but week on week, day by day, I’m feeling better and better. The future is definitely brighter.”
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When someone does things I like/agree with, I praise them for that - which I did in an earlier post - and then when they do things I disagree with I say so. I'm not a huge fan of prescriptive approaches to sport (and substitutions in particular). I also don't like that Slade is playing, which I'm sure is something you agree with!
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 3:54 pm They're pretty different - Marchant is a strike runner with some strings to his bow that Slade doesn't have (pace, running lines, work under the high ball, for example) whereas Slade is more of a 10/12 in skillset with passing skills and a kicking game that are beyond Marchant. He's a distributor with good running skills; Marchant's more of an outside back.