Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:40 pm
Still unlikely to make the matchday squad if past selections are anything to go by. Fingers crossed though.
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Still unlikely to make the matchday squad if past selections are anything to go by. Fingers crossed though.
There's no way Mako & Cole should be in the EPS.
Cole has won scrum pens every time he's come on, in fairness. Saturday will be his 100th cap I believe.fishfoodie wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:22 pmThere's no way Mako & Cole should be in the EPS.
They're probably the most expensive GBP/Minute paid players in the damn thing
There was still a sense of shock within the England camp at the manner of their record home defeat to France, who went ahead inside two minutes with a try by Thomas Ramos. “You look at that first passage of play and it was about 80 seconds long, lads looked out on their feet,” Sinfield said.
“They have not been like that the whole campaign so why is that? What is that about, we didn’t change our training load last week, we have been really smart in monitoring and the players have had a say in how we move forward and the sort of sessions we put together. It has been difficult to really go ‘it is that one thing’.”
It was every-bloody-thingPaddington Bear wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:44 pmThere was still a sense of shock within the England camp at the manner of their record home defeat to France, who went ahead inside two minutes with a try by Thomas Ramos. “You look at that first passage of play and it was about 80 seconds long, lads looked out on their feet,” Sinfield said.
“They have not been like that the whole campaign so why is that? What is that about, we didn’t change our training load last week, we have been really smart in monitoring and the players have had a say in how we move forward and the sort of sessions we put together. It has been difficult to really go ‘it is that one thing’.”
Well that's concerningPaddington Bear wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:44 pmThere was still a sense of shock within the England camp at the manner of their record home defeat to France, who went ahead inside two minutes with a try by Thomas Ramos. “You look at that first passage of play and it was about 80 seconds long, lads looked out on their feet,” Sinfield said.
“They have not been like that the whole campaign so why is that? What is that about, we didn’t change our training load last week, we have been really smart in monitoring and the players have had a say in how we move forward and the sort of sessions we put together. It has been difficult to really go ‘it is that one thing’.”
Lost in translation mate!Torquemada 1420 wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:06 pm From French media comic take on the game:
"Apart from a sharp counterof Steward, the American fridge mounted on wheels, the XV of the Rose remained harmless. Marcus Smith attacks the line and at this level, we can even say that he harasses it to such an extent that he risks ending up in a hashtag on Twitter. But the Harlequins FH gives the impression of playing alone, without knowing if it is because he is deeply selfish or if his teammates have too limited an imagination to understand what he is trying to do"
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Yep - it looks like muddled thinking and a bit panicky.sockwithaticket wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:38 pm If true, that strikes me as being bad player management.
If Farrell is to be first choice number 10, he shouldn't have been dropped last week. If he was deemed to have been playing poorly enough to warrant dropping, then I don't see why the entire team, but crucially the forwards, being dominated last week should be a black mark against Smith in particular and lead to Farrell being restored to fly half.
Honestly, I think Smith would best be served by being left to get on with doing his thing at Quins, in an environment that wants to play to his strengths, rather than being dicked around by conservative national coaches who don't seem to know what they want from him.
Oh and Slade is a lucky, lucky boy.
I'm not an avid Times reader - are they usually on the money with this sort of stuff?Margin__Walker wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:31 pm Times are going with a Farrell/Tuilagi/Slade midfield.
Tuilagi and Slade midfield is possibly the worst defensive pairing he could pick! The Irish will have a field day running their angles at this pair who are both very flat footed and get caught square on their heels more often than not! Disaster ....inactionman wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:59 pmI'm not an avid Times reader - are they usually on the money with this sort of stuff?Margin__Walker wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:31 pm Times are going with a Farrell/Tuilagi/Slade midfield.
Lawrence's injury - and that of Kelly - has unfortunately opened the whole inside centre debate again, which might regress us back to where we started.
JM2K6 wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:37 pm (Also let's not mention the dreadful Farrell pass that led to a French try, for... reasons...)
What conspiracy? Pointing out that even Farrell made a howler and that it's largely gone unnoticed and unmentioned in the rush to slag off other players isn't conspiratorial thinking.
What's the ratio between scrum penalties won and tries conceded?Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:56 amCole has won scrum pens every time he's come on, in fairness. Saturday will be his 100th cap I believe.fishfoodie wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:22 pmThere's no way Mako & Cole should be in the EPS.Ovals wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:40 pm
Still unlikely to make the matchday squad if past selections are anything to go by. Fingers crossed though.
They're probably the most expensive GBP/Minute paid players in the damn thing
This is perfectly balanced by Mako giving away scrum penalties at a similar rate.Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:53 pmWhat's the ratio between scrum penalties won and tries conceded?Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:56 amCole has won scrum pens every time he's come on, in fairness. Saturday will be his 100th cap I believe.fishfoodie wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:22 pm
There's no way Mako & Cole should be in the EPS.
They're probably the most expensive GBP/Minute paid players in the damn thing
Quite rightly many will stand and applaud his 100th cap, that's a huge achievement in any role and especially his. And yet a lot of those cheering on his milestone will be wondering if he should be there
Falcons confirm that Walder is off at the end of the season but wil step back immediately with Mark Laycock taking charge until the end of the seasonsockwithaticket wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:23 pmPeople in the game always say Falcons already spend significantly under the cap. Whoever they can get to replace Walder has a hell of a job on their hands if the expectation is to keep them a Premiership outfit if there's even less money to put towards players and some of the best ones are already being offloaded. Carreras still needs a semblance of a team around him to keep scoring tries.Margin__Walker wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:05 pmThat's a Jake exclusive and seems to be on the money, although not announced.sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:53 pm Jack Willis has apparently signed a season extension with Toulouse with an option for another after that.
Obviously would love for him to come back to the Prem, but after the experience he's just had with Wasps, not to mention his two serious, long term injuries, it's hard to begrudge him the wages and stability of a Top14 powerhouse team.
In other random news apparently there are rumours that Dave Walder has left Newcastle with immediate effect. Odd time of the season for a head coach to go.
Davison also left for Saints with immediate effect today with Heffernan coming in on loan. Tough spot for Newcastle as they are struggling on the pitch and seem to be cutting costs at the same time (likes of McGuigan also leaving mid season). Will take some clever recruitment and coaching for them to compete next season.
Yeah, that's the thing - it's likely that France was the nadir and that any improvement will just encourage callow conservative coaches to think that they were right actually. I think everyone expects us to lose handily and if it's by 25 rather than 45 then there'll be a lot of very bizarre "I told you sos" being bandied about about how England are only capable of a "kick, tackle, Tuilagi" game plan.Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:41 pm We were promised rugby 2.0 from this cycle and instead in the last competitive game of it return to a 10-12-13 partnership that last served us well in 2019 having tried a billion other options. I don’t blame Borthwick - there’s no point playing Smith if your pack is going backwards and you’re not planning on running it, and where the team is is hardly his fault. But fuck me what a waste of four years. That 2019 side are pretty much all still playing and we’ve just gone backwards at a rate of knots. Worst of all on Saturday they just didn’t seem to give too much of a shit, Genge basically admitted it. If Sweeney had any decency he’d walk.
I think we’ll play better, much better than last week but there’s only one result in the offing here.
Ouch.SaintK wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:39 pm So Chessum done for the season. Suffered a fracture dislocation of the left ankle at England training
Due to undergo surgery next week.
Hope it all goes well. He's been one of the better players for England this 6N
Scabnose & his coaches have learned nothing from the mistakes of Jones & his ilkSaintK wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:39 pm So Chessum done for the season. Suffered a fracture dislocation of the left ankle at England training
Due to undergo surgery next week.
Hope it all goes well. He's been one of the better players for England this 6N
I hope this is a freak accident, and not the sort of training that Eddie used to indulge in.SaintK wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:39 pm So Chessum done for the season. Suffered a fracture dislocation of the left ankle at England training
Due to undergo surgery next week.
Hope it all goes well. He's been one of the better players for England this 6N