Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 3:15 pm
Nah, we've a crop of excellent young props, we just need a year or two more
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He's played 64 times for Bath - should be enough !inactionman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 3:00 pmThink Ojomoh could do with a little bit more club rugby first but he's really looking good.JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:56 pm Both Curry boys are pretty decent carriers TBF.
Some serious momentum off the bench, which is nice. Slade stealing a living is less than ideal, 6-2 practically guaranteeing Marcus at 15, possibly fairly early on, is very daft.
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Really would love to see Atkinson or Ojomoh brought in for 12 sooner rather than later, or Loz even if he's more of a 13 these days
He's getting a good protracted run in the side, aided in part by Redpath unfortunately not being able to shake injuries, but he's had a couple of injury interruptions himself.Ovals wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 3:18 pmHe's played 64 times for Bath - should be enough !inactionman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 3:00 pmThink Ojomoh could do with a little bit more club rugby first but he's really looking good.JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:56 pm Both Curry boys are pretty decent carriers TBF.
Some serious momentum off the bench, which is nice. Slade stealing a living is less than ideal, 6-2 practically guaranteeing Marcus at 15, possibly fairly early on, is very daft.
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Really would love to see Atkinson or Ojomoh brought in for 12 sooner rather than later, or Loz even if he's more of a 13 these days
https://www.premiershiprugby.com/conten ... gby-growthPremiership Rugby has seen a significant rise in young fans with almost a million new supporters aged 18 to 34 versus 12 months ago.
According to YouGov Profiles, 14.3 million people in the UK hold an interest in Gallagher Premiership Rugby - this represents a sizeable increase of 13% since 2023 - and is the highest level of interest for the past five years.
Whilst increased levels of interest are seen in ALL age bands, the change is being driven by a rapidly accelerating level of interest from younger fans who now make up the second biggest audience cohort.
Research shows that 980,000 fans in the 18-34 range are engaging with Gallagher Premiership Rugby like never before and are fuelling impressive growth, with this age group growing +43% since 2021.
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 4:38 pm The Prem’s social media game, and that of the clubs, is definitely improved which I’m sure helps a lot
He's actually had a dip in form for a chunk of this season, and the Glasgow game was more like what we saw from him prior to that. I don't know if he's genuinely going to be a better option on the LH than his contemporaries, especially if Asher gets moved there from tighthead to accommodate Fasogbon, or Tariq Haffar has an injury free run. He does hit like a truck though, which is nice, and the more genuine options, the better
This, you need two heavy bag carriers in the back row, yes, the Curries carry well, but they're not smash 'em down in full flight or get the ball moving again from a stalled move types, which you need.
Both Curry's jump at Sale if not regularlyHal Jordan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:32 pmThis, you need two heavy bag carriers in the back row, yes, the Curries carry well, but they're not smash 'em down in full flight or get the ball moving again from a stalled move types, which you need.
Who jumps at the back?
As I settle into suburban life in my 30s, I very much draw the line at setting up a Tik Tok accountKawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:08 pmPaddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 4:38 pm The Prem’s social media game, and that of the clubs, is definitely improved which I’m sure helps a lot
You mean they've updated the league MySpace page?
Mmmm - that's about 100K per Premiership team in the 18-34 group - colour me skepticalinactionman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 4:02 pm I've only skim-read, but interesting nonetheless.
https://www.premiershiprugby.com/conten ... gby-growthPremiership Rugby has seen a significant rise in young fans with almost a million new supporters aged 18 to 34 versus 12 months ago.
According to YouGov Profiles, 14.3 million people in the UK hold an interest in Gallagher Premiership Rugby - this represents a sizeable increase of 13% since 2023 - and is the highest level of interest for the past five years.
Whilst increased levels of interest are seen in ALL age bands, the change is being driven by a rapidly accelerating level of interest from younger fans who now make up the second biggest audience cohort.
Research shows that 980,000 fans in the 18-34 range are engaging with Gallagher Premiership Rugby like never before and are fuelling impressive growth, with this age group growing +43% since 2021.
Really need a proper tailgunner, we were spoiled with Easter then Robshaw then Lawes, all of whom were excellent at the back.SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:39 pmBoth Curry's jump at Sale if not regularlyHal Jordan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:32 pmThis, you need two heavy bag carriers in the back row, yes, the Curries carry well, but they're not smash 'em down in full flight or get the ball moving again from a stalled move types, which you need.
Who jumps at the back?
They must be worried about moving him from his current invaluable role carting tackle bags and the drinks caddy.
I think this is quite a canny move by Leicester. The Japanese teams have serious commercial backing, and it's a wonderful opportunity for academy and early career professionals to have a short stint out in Japan. Great life experience, if nothing else.Leicester Tigers are excited to announce a Performance Partnership with Japanese club, Mitsubishi Sagamihara Dynaboars.
One of twelve teams in Division 1 of Japan Rugby League One, the Dynaboars are coached by Glenn Delaney, who previously coached at Scarlets and London Irish, as well as Nottingham Rugby - another Performance Partnership club with Tigers.
Based in Sagamihara, Japan, the Dynaboars are owned by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Ltd.
The partnership will see the two clubs work together in sharing high performance expertise between coaches and staff at senior and academy levels in medical, strength and conditioning, analysis, recruitment and player welfare.
Both clubs will also work together off the field in commercial endeavours, including benchmarking and sharing best practice between the two organisations in commercial, community, marketing and operations functions.
The partnership will be overseen by Talent ID & Recruitment Manager James Wade, who oversees the existing Performance Partnership with Nottingham Rugby and the club’s relationship with rugby clubs and organisations in Leicestershire and beyond to help develop young players on and off the field.
Additionally, players from both clubs will be presented opportunities for loan periods at the alternative club to further their development and offer unrivalled life experience.
They're just clearing the way for scabnose when he's fired .....sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:10 am More Leicester news, Cheika's leaving at the end of the season. Didn't realise he was only on a one year deal. Wonder what led him/Tigers/both not to extend. Certainly you'd think that the last thing needed at Welford Rd is more coaching turnover.
Japan partnership is definitely interesting. Surprised Chessum's off. Obviously an exciting adventure for a young man, but I would've thought he'd be included in Tigers' first team by now. He always looked a cut above in the England U20s.
His missus didn't want to come over and live in Leicester, which is fair enough, at least until you realise she's a woman who's volunteered to wake up next to Michael Cheika for the rest of her life.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:10 am More Leicester news, Cheika's leaving at the end of the season. Didn't realise he was only on a one year deal. Wonder what led him/Tigers/both not to extend. Certainly you'd think that the last thing needed at Welford Rd is more coaching turnover.
Japan partnership is definitely interesting. Surprised Chessum's off. Obviously an exciting adventure for a young man, but I would've thought he'd be included in Tigers' first team by now. He always looked a cut above in the England U20s.
Rugby Pass reporting that Franco Smith is of high interest to Tigers as a replacementBrazil wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 11:26 amHis missus didn't want to come over and live in Leicester, which is fair enough, at least until you realise she's a woman who's volunteered to wake up next to Michael Cheika for the rest of her life.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:10 am More Leicester news, Cheika's leaving at the end of the season. Didn't realise he was only on a one year deal. Wonder what led him/Tigers/both not to extend. Certainly you'd think that the last thing needed at Welford Rd is more coaching turnover.
Japan partnership is definitely interesting. Surprised Chessum's off. Obviously an exciting adventure for a young man, but I would've thought he'd be included in Tigers' first team by now. He always looked a cut above in the England U20s.
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:10 am More Leicester news, Cheika's leaving at the end of the season. Didn't realise he was only on a one year deal. Wonder what led him/Tigers/both not to extend. Certainly you'd think that the last thing needed at Welford Rd is more coaching turnover.
Japan partnership is definitely interesting. Surprised Chessum's off. Obviously an exciting adventure for a young man, but I would've thought he'd be included in Tigers' first team by now. He always looked a cut above in the England U20s.
Kawazaki wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:05 pmsockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:10 am More Leicester news, Cheika's leaving at the end of the season. Didn't realise he was only on a one year deal. Wonder what led him/Tigers/both not to extend. Certainly you'd think that the last thing needed at Welford Rd is more coaching turnover.
Japan partnership is definitely interesting. Surprised Chessum's off. Obviously an exciting adventure for a young man, but I would've thought he'd be included in Tigers' first team by now. He always looked a cut above in the England U20s.
Leicester should ask the RFU if they can have Borthwick back. I'll even drive him there for them.
I think we can all agree that the optimum solution for all England rugby fans would be for Borthwick and Wiggy to return to Leicester. Gives England a chance to find some decent coaches and consigns Leicester to mid-table mediocrity. Win win all round.SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:07 pmKawazaki wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:05 pmsockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 10:10 am More Leicester news, Cheika's leaving at the end of the season. Didn't realise he was only on a one year deal. Wonder what led him/Tigers/both not to extend. Certainly you'd think that the last thing needed at Welford Rd is more coaching turnover.
Japan partnership is definitely interesting. Surprised Chessum's off. Obviously an exciting adventure for a young man, but I would've thought he'd be included in Tigers' first team by now. He always looked a cut above in the England U20s.
Leicester should ask the RFU if they can have Borthwick back. I'll even drive him there for them.![]()
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.............and take Wigglesworth back with him
Him and Borthwick you’d imagine could work quite well together.inactionman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:03 pm To no-one's great surprise, Lancaster has left Racing
Anyone else think he might do a useful job somewhere - but not head coach - within the England camp? He's got many very good qualities, although dealing with the whole Sam Burgess thing was sadly not one of them.
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:16 pmHim and Borthwick you’d imagine could work quite well together.inactionman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:03 pm To no-one's great surprise, Lancaster has left Racing
Anyone else think he might do a useful job somewhere - but not head coach - within the England camp? He's got many very good qualities, although dealing with the whole Sam Burgess thing was sadly not one of them.
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:18 pm His own son notwithstanding, youth talent identification and development seems to be his forte. Get him back involved in the age groups and pathways in some capacity. Supposedly it was part of his remit while England head coach and it was working really well until Dean Ryan took a great steaming shite on the whole thing.
A pay cut's a little bit of a different thing when you're still going to be in 6 figure territory. It's not quite going from median to near enough minimum wage.Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:31 pmsockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:18 pm His own son notwithstanding, youth talent identification and development seems to be his forte. Get him back involved in the age groups and pathways in some capacity. Supposedly it was part of his remit while England head coach and it was working really well until Dean Ryan took a great steaming shite on the whole thing.
What job were you doing 20 years ago? Would you take a pay-cut to do it again?
It seems to be working for Lee Blackett, although he had the head coaching gig pulled from under him by Wasps going into administration.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:44 pmA pay cut's a little bit of a different thing when you're still going to be in 6 figure territory. It's not quite going from median to near enough minimum wage.Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:31 pmsockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:18 pm His own son notwithstanding, youth talent identification and development seems to be his forte. Get him back involved in the age groups and pathways in some capacity. Supposedly it was part of his remit while England head coach and it was working really well until Dean Ryan took a great steaming shite on the whole thing.
What job were you doing 20 years ago? Would you take a pay-cut to do it again?
Equally, there aren't that many head roles in rugby. If you start to rack up some failures or firings it becomes increasingly difficult to take one unless it's for a tier 2 nation like Canada or USA. I daresay a less, though still fairly, senior role at the RFU pays better than that. He might not be there yet, but if he takes the Munster or Leicester jobs and it doesn't work out, following the Andy Robinson or Kingsley Jones route starts to beckon.
Gustard too. Assitant at Benetton and now defence with Stade. Another whose stint at the top was relatively fleeting.inactionman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:47 pmIt seems to be working for Lee Blackett, although he had the head coaching gig pulled from under him by Wasps going into administration.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:44 pmA pay cut's a little bit of a different thing when you're still going to be in 6 figure territory. It's not quite going from median to near enough minimum wage.
Equally, there aren't that many head roles in rugby. If you start to rack up some failures or firings it becomes increasingly difficult to take one unless it's for a tier 2 nation like Canada or USA. I daresay a less, though still fairly, senior role at the RFU pays better than that. He might not be there yet, but if he takes the Munster or Leicester jobs and it doesn't work out, following the Andy Robinson or Kingsley Jones route starts to beckon.
Andy Robison is working as the Head Academy coach at Bath at the moment.
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:44 pm A pay cut's a little bit of a different thing when you're still going to be in 6 figure territory. It's not quite going from median to near enough minimum wage.
Even without considering the additional rugby context of this specific case where spaces at the top are particularly limited, you've never encountered someone who voluntarily took a pay cut by pursuing a role change? It happens plenty. People find their higher pay comes with additional levels of bullshit it doesn't adequately compensate, be that the nature of the work or sacrifice of work life balance. I've seen it when someone got promoted past a point where they felt comfortable and took a step back to a role where they knew they were capable. It's something some are prepared to do if they're on a comfortable amount of money, which Lancaster absolutely would be in a senior RFU position.Kawazaki wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:34 pmsockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:44 pm A pay cut's a little bit of a different thing when you're still going to be in 6 figure territory. It's not quite going from median to near enough minimum wage.
This is bizarre naivety even by your usual standards.
Probably not. Just watch the last 5 minutes and convince yourself England did alright.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:19 am I was en route to and at a gig during the game. Is there any point in watching the match back? From what I've been reading it was a fairly typical mixed bag Borthwick's England performance.
I think it is actually. The first half was probably more along the lines of what Borthwick is trying to achieve; there was a lot of smart play by England, a clear tactical direction, and a much improved defence. It was very promising.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:19 am I was en route to and at a gig during the game. Is there any point in watching the match back? From what I've been reading it was a fairly typical mixed bag Borthwick's England performance.