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Yr Alban wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 6:30 pm

Big D wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 10:06 am

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 9:09 am

Mostly because neither did a croc roll and nobody is quite sure why the card was issued. It was Cummings who fell on the lower limb of the Saffa so presumably that's why he got the card.

Is he now suspended for next week(s)?

I suspect there will be some sort of ban heavily mitigated to back up the officials. Something daft like 6 weeks mitigated to 4 due to the "act" being accidental due to influence of Darge, halved again for good behaviour and halved to 1 for sending biscuits to the panel. Meaning he'll miss the game he probably wasn't going to start anyway.

I reckon you’ll be bang on with this. It was obviously a terrible decision compounded by an even worse TMO review, and this will be blindingly obvious to the panel, but they’ll find some way of fudging it without admitting it was a complete fuckup.

At least, thanks to the new rule, we didn’t have to play a man down for 60-odd minutes.

If they are using the trial automatic sanction process the minimum he can get is 2 weeks.

If they are still on the existing sanctions he could get 2 weeks mitigated down to 1.

TNT highlights absolutely godawful. 4 minutes, most of it kicks at goal. The only bit of Scotland open play shown was the disallowed try. However, they replayed enough of the red card incident to make it obvious how bloody ridiculous it was. The referee actually says ‘it’s a croc roll and he lands on the limb’. Which is it? Certainly, there is absolutely nothing there that remotely resembles my understanding of what a croc roll is.

Scottish rugby loses an all-time great with the death of Derrick Grant

https://www.theoffsideline.com/derrick-grant/

One week ban for Cummings.

Big D wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:08 pm One week ban for Cummings.

A one week ban for the offence they're really wanting to concentrate on and get out of the game is an admission it's a really soft card.

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 7:32 am

Big D wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:08 pm One week ban for Cummings.

A one week ban for the offence they're really wanting to concentrate on and get out of the game is an admission it's a really soft card.

100%. Just admit they got it wrong, clarify the law, and move on. This is just stupid

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 7:54 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 7:32 am

Big D wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:08 pm One week ban for Cummings.

A one week ban for the offence they're really wanting to concentrate on and get out of the game is an admission it's a really soft card.

100%. Just admit they got it wrong, clarify the law, and move on. This is just stupid

Yeah, absolutely childish. Back the process at all costs regardless of the integrity of the decision.

Still need to watch the highlights and I was a good 5 hours deep at that point but I'm glad you lot are agreeing with my drunken opinion at the time.

Jock42 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:57 am Still need to watch the highlights and I was a good 5 hours deep at that point but I'm glad you lot are agreeing with my drunken opinion at the time.

We just didn't want any trouble

I would be fairly tempted to go full noise in the backs at the weekend. I think there are a few things they can iron out and there is an A game soon for some of the fringe backs. I also hate the way caps get sprayed around these days too but realise I am an auld fart in that regard.

By the way they're talking up Freddy Douglas I expect we'll see him this weekend.

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:01 am

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 7:54 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 7:32 am

A one week ban for the offence they're really wanting to concentrate on and get out of the game is an admission it's a really soft card.

100%. Just admit they got it wrong, clarify the law, and move on. This is just stupid

Yeah, absolutely childish. Back the process at all costs regardless of the integrity of the decision.

That was largely my reaction - if they really thought it was that bad it would have been a lengthy ban.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:00 pm By the way they're talking up Freddy Douglas I expect we'll see him this weekend.

I think he might start which is wild given our back row depth. 'World class' - the description John Dalziel has used, is a bit much, but I am looking forward to seeing how justified the hype is.

Douglas has huge potential anytime I've watched him play. Reckon this weekend would be an ideal time to blood him.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:00 pm By the way they're talking up Freddy Douglas I expect we'll see him this weekend.

I'd expect so. I think a few of the big lads deserve a week off.

Saw a rumour that Bristol are throwing cash at Jordan.

Big D wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:22 pm Saw a rumour that Bristol are throwing cash at Jordan.

Such an important player for Francoball - whatever they paid Tuipolotou to stay, pay it for Jordan too.

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:01 am

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 7:54 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 7:32 am

A one week ban for the offence they're really wanting to concentrate on and get out of the game is an admission it's a really soft card.

100%. Just admit they got it wrong, clarify the law, and move on. This is just stupid

Yeah, absolutely childish. Back the process at all costs regardless of the integrity of the decision.

Seems to say he pleaded guilty which I'm very surprised by. Had to ban him really if he says he did it tbf to world rugby.

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 2:08 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:00 pm By the way they're talking up Freddy Douglas I expect we'll see him this weekend.

I think he might start which is wild given our back row depth. 'World class' - the description John Dalziel has used, is a bit much, but I am looking forward to seeing how justified the hype is.

Would he be the first Scotland cap who has an international match before pro? Did Adam Ashe?

It's a wild description, he's not world class - Dalziel sounds a bit silly saying that. It's odd that the Scotland coaches opinion and the Edinburgh coaches opinions are so different.

Big D wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:22 pm Saw a rumour that Bristol are throwing cash at Jordan.

The rugby pod said they offered 850k to Marcus Smith and will offer that much to Fin Smith and Farrell. If Bristol really want him they'll get him...

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 8:50 am

Blackmac wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:01 am

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 7:54 am

100%. Just admit they got it wrong, clarify the law, and move on. This is just stupid

Yeah, absolutely childish. Back the process at all costs regardless of the integrity of the decision.

Seems to say he pleaded guilty which I'm very surprised by. Had to ban him really if he says he did it tbf to world rugby.

But if you don't plead guilty then you get a longer ban. Hobson's choice.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 8:52 am

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 2:08 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:00 pm By the way they're talking up Freddy Douglas I expect we'll see him this weekend.

I think he might start which is wild given our back row depth. 'World class' - the description John Dalziel has used, is a bit much, but I am looking forward to seeing how justified the hype is.

Would he be the first Scotland cap who has an international match before pro? Did Adam Ashe?

It's a wild description, he's not world class - Dalziel sounds a bit silly saying that. It's odd that the Scotland coaches opinion and the Edinburgh coaches opinions are so different.

Similar to an approach the England cricket team have adopted. Picking players on what they see as likable traits and potential over others.

The Watson contract was an issue for Edinburgh as there's several players who play 7 who could have pushed on. Watson has been fine but Boyle, Crosbie and Douglas could have had more gametime.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 8:53 am

Big D wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:22 pm Saw a rumour that Bristol are throwing cash at Jordan.

The rugby pod said they offered 850k to Marcus Smith and will offer that much to Fin Smith and Farrell. If Bristol really want him they'll get him...

300k was what I saw for Jordan.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 8:53 am

Big D wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:22 pm Saw a rumour that Bristol are throwing cash at Jordan.

The rugby pod said they offered 850k to Marcus Smith and will offer that much to Fin Smith and Farrell. If Bristol really want him they'll get him...

Fin Smith signed a 2 year contract extension recently with another year on his current one. Buying him would be a stretch even for Bristol.

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:26 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 8:53 am

Big D wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:22 pm Saw a rumour that Bristol are throwing cash at Jordan.

The rugby pod said they offered 850k to Marcus Smith and will offer that much to Fin Smith and Farrell. If Bristol really want him they'll get him...

Fin Smith signed a 2 year contract extension recently with another year on his current one. Buying him would be a stretch even for Bristol.

Suspect they meant Russell as he is out of contract next off season.

Big D wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:04 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 8:52 am

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 2:08 pm

I think he might start which is wild given our back row depth. 'World class' - the description John Dalziel has used, is a bit much, but I am looking forward to seeing how justified the hype is.

Would he be the first Scotland cap who has an international match before pro? Did Adam Ashe?

It's a wild description, he's not world class - Dalziel sounds a bit silly saying that. It's odd that the Scotland coaches opinion and the Edinburgh coaches opinions are so different.

Similar to an approach the England cricket team have adopted. Picking players on what they see as likable traits and potential over others.

The Watson contract was an issue for Edinburgh as there's several players who play 7 who could have pushed on. Watson has been fine but Boyle, Crosbie and Douglas could have had more gametime.

Watson doesn't need to be picked over Douglas though. Edinburgh have too many back rows. Everett isn't the coach doe Douglas either as he's been picking Muncaster at 7 so going for just a big back row.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 10:26 am

Big D wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:04 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 8:52 am

Would he be the first Scotland cap who has an international match before pro? Did Adam Ashe?

It's a wild description, he's not world class - Dalziel sounds a bit silly saying that. It's odd that the Scotland coaches opinion and the Edinburgh coaches opinions are so different.

Similar to an approach the England cricket team have adopted. Picking players on what they see as likable traits and potential over others.

The Watson contract was an issue for Edinburgh as there's several players who play 7 who could have pushed on. Watson has been fine but Boyle, Crosbie and Douglas could have had more gametime.

Watson doesn't need to be picked over Douglas though. Edinburgh have too many back rows. Everett isn't the coach doe Douglas either as he's been picking Muncaster at 7 so going for just a big back row.

Watsons contract and reputation probably makes it a little tough subconsciously to bomb him out. Everitt is a problem though and I'd happily seem him gone (I am a broken record on that).

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 8:52 am

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 2:08 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:00 pm By the way they're talking up Freddy Douglas I expect we'll see him this weekend.

I think he might start which is wild given our back row depth. 'World class' - the description John Dalziel has used, is a bit much, but I am looking forward to seeing how justified the hype is.

Would he be the first Scotland cap who has an international match before pro? Did Adam Ashe?

It's a wild description, he's not world class - Dalziel sounds a bit silly saying that. It's odd that the Scotland coaches opinion and the Edinburgh coaches opinions are so different.

There's an issue in this for me. Either he's extremely talented and Kenny is being wasteful for not selecting him and/or Scotland are selecting their favourites over form. It could be them highlighting a talented player and nudging him into Edinburgh contention which circles me back to the first issue.

Big D wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:04 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 8:52 am

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 2:08 pm

I think he might start which is wild given our back row depth. 'World class' - the description John Dalziel has used, is a bit much, but I am looking forward to seeing how justified the hype is.

Would he be the first Scotland cap who has an international match before pro? Did Adam Ashe?

It's a wild description, he's not world class - Dalziel sounds a bit silly saying that. It's odd that the Scotland coaches opinion and the Edinburgh coaches opinions are so different.

Similar to an approach the England cricket team have adopted. Picking players on what they see as likable traits and potential over others.

The Watson contract was an issue for Edinburgh as there's several players who play 7 who could have pushed on. Watson has been fine but Boyle, Crosbie and Douglas could have had more gametime.

Crosbie has played a hundred games for Edinburgh - I don't think gametime has been an issue for him.

You are right about the Watson contract in general though. Especially given that Boyle looks absolutely capable from the appearances that he has had and Watson has not been in peak form the last couple of seasons.

robmatic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 10:55 am

Big D wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:04 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 8:52 am

Would he be the first Scotland cap who has an international match before pro? Did Adam Ashe?

It's a wild description, he's not world class - Dalziel sounds a bit silly saying that. It's odd that the Scotland coaches opinion and the Edinburgh coaches opinions are so different.

Similar to an approach the England cricket team have adopted. Picking players on what they see as likable traits and potential over others.

The Watson contract was an issue for Edinburgh as there's several players who play 7 who could have pushed on. Watson has been fine but Boyle, Crosbie and Douglas could have had more gametime.

Crosbie has played a hundred games for Edinburgh - I don't think gametime has been an issue for him.

You are right about the Watson contract in general though. Especially given that Boyle looks absolutely capable from the appearances that he has had and Watson has not been in peak form the last couple of seasons.

Was talking specifically about at 7 although 104 games for a player who is 28 in April with 71 starts isn't ideal. If Watson was gone he could have had more starts there over last season at 7 as Watson had a large number of starts last year.

Big D wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:05 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 8:53 am

Big D wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:22 pm Saw a rumour that Bristol are throwing cash at Jordan.

The rugby pod said they offered 850k to Marcus Smith and will offer that much to Fin Smith and Farrell. If Bristol really want him they'll get him...

300k was what I saw for Jordan.

According to the Telegraph done deal at £300k and they also have Argentina lock Pedro Rubiolo from Newcastle

TJ to Bristol is a done deal according to the Telegraph. Big loss for Glasgow.

Big D wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:50 am

robmatic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 10:55 am

Big D wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:04 am

Similar to an approach the England cricket team have adopted. Picking players on what they see as likable traits and potential over others.

The Watson contract was an issue for Edinburgh as there's several players who play 7 who could have pushed on. Watson has been fine but Boyle, Crosbie and Douglas could have had more gametime.

Crosbie has played a hundred games for Edinburgh - I don't think gametime has been an issue for him.

You are right about the Watson contract in general though. Especially given that Boyle looks absolutely capable from the appearances that he has had and Watson has not been in peak form the last couple of seasons.

Was talking specifically about at 7 although 104 games for a player who is 28 in April with 71 starts isn't ideal. If Watson was gone he could have had more starts there over last season at 7 as Watson had a large number of starts last year.

Yeah, an average of ten starts a year isn't really plenty of playing time.

Who is the next cab off the rank then for Glasgow (behind Hastings)? Richie Simpson?

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 12:52 pm

Big D wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:50 am

robmatic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 10:55 am

Crosbie has played a hundred games for Edinburgh - I don't think gametime has been an issue for him.

You are right about the Watson contract in general though. Especially given that Boyle looks absolutely capable from the appearances that he has had and Watson has not been in peak form the last couple of seasons.

Was talking specifically about at 7 although 104 games for a player who is 28 in April with 71 starts isn't ideal. If Watson was gone he could have had more starts there over last season at 7 as Watson had a large number of starts last year.

Yeah, an average of ten starts a year isn't really plenty of playing time.

There are only 20-odd games each season for Edinburgh and the back row is pretty attritional. I think you would want or expect some rotation there ideally.

Obviously Crosbie would have more starts at a club with fewer international-standard back rows but he is not really starved of professional experience, comparatively. Josh Bayliss is the same age and has a similar number of starts at Bath. Jack Dempsey is 3 years older and only has 36 more starts.

Big D wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:04 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 8:52 am

KingBlairhorn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 2:08 pm

I think he might start which is wild given our back row depth. 'World class' - the description John Dalziel has used, is a bit much, but I am looking forward to seeing how justified the hype is.

Would he be the first Scotland cap who has an international match before pro? Did Adam Ashe?

It's a wild description, he's not world class - Dalziel sounds a bit silly saying that. It's odd that the Scotland coaches opinion and the Edinburgh coaches opinions are so different.

Similar to an approach the England cricket team have adopted. Picking players on what they see as likable traits and potential over others.

The Watson contract was an issue for Edinburgh as there's several players who play 7 who could have pushed on. Watson has been fine but Boyle, Crosbie and Douglas could have had more gametime.

Watson and Ritchie both needed big contracts because they were key players for Scotland when given the deals...

I am surprised Crosbie hasn't ever left looking for unquestioned first choice rugby.

https://x.com/Scotlandteam/status/18570 ... wVeuA&s=19

Chuffed for Muncaster, would have liked to see Jordan at 10 and Paterson at 15 but hey ho.

Is the A game being shown anywhere? Expect several of those guys to be involved.

Begbie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:59 am TJ to Bristol is a done deal according to the Telegraph. Big loss for Glasgow.

Didn’t Duhan also fuck off sharpish after his first couple of caps?

Jock42 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 2:29 pm https://x.com/Scotlandteam/status/18570 ... wVeuA&s=19

Chuffed for Muncaster, would have liked to see Jordan at 10 and Paterson at 15 but hey ho.

Is the A game being shown anywhere? Expect several of those guys to be involved.

Have to admit, I’m quite surprised how strong that 2nd XV looks after all my moaning about depth

robmatic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 1:59 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 12:52 pm

Big D wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:50 am

Was talking specifically about at 7 although 104 games for a player who is 28 in April with 71 starts isn't ideal. If Watson was gone he could have had more starts there over last season at 7 as Watson had a large number of starts last year.

Yeah, an average of ten starts a year isn't really plenty of playing time.

There are only 20-odd games each season for Edinburgh and the back row is pretty attritional. I think you would want or expect some rotation there ideally.

Obviously Crosbie would have more starts at a club with fewer international-standard back rows but he is not really starved of professional experience, comparatively. Josh Bayliss is the same age and has a similar number of starts at Bath. Jack Dempsey is 3 years older and only has 36 more starts.

Professional experience does not necessarily equal a chance to push on or get game time in a certain position (in this case at 7). Bayliss is a jack of all trades back row who might not let anyone down but is a master of none of them. Crosbie had potential and was stuck grabbing game time in whatever position he could for a while and is now effectively a utility backrow with no set position nailed down as his best. Dempsey has more starts at 8 than Crosbie does starts.

That 2017 under 20s team gave three good international players but Crosbie and to a lesser extent CHH and Craig had the potential to be better than they are.