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Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:07 pm

Steve wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:59 pm The video seemed fairly even handed to me. I can search for another if you wish but i fear you'll shift the goal posts anyway as your mind is already made up.

Just one reputable Australian news site will do.

Im not au fait with the Aussie stations/papers but ill have a look in the sprit of keeping the conversation going.

Steve wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:15 pm

What is the RAIR Foundation? Within the last two months, Gaubatz reappeared on the anti-Muslim speaking circuit with a new title, president of Rise Align Ignite Reclaim, or RAIR Foundation, whose mission is to "reclaim America from the network of individuals and organizations waging war on our Constitution, borders and Judeo-Christian values."

Cool, very normal sources, definitely on the level here

Steve wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:14 pm https://newstarget.com/2020-09-04-austr ... otest.html

Overall, we rate News Target a quackery level pseudoscience and a tin foil hat conspiracy website, as well as extreme right-wing biased. This is one of the most discredited sources on the internet.

Cool cool, just perfectly normal

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-04/ ... s/12630904

presume ABC is "reputable'? It seems to be a media brand name I recognise ( which shouldn't matter but hey ho).

What do you reckon?

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:18 pm

Steve wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:15 pm

What is the RAIR Foundation? Within the last two months, Gaubatz reappeared on the anti-Muslim speaking circuit with a new title, president of Rise Align Ignite Reclaim, or RAIR Foundation, whose mission is to "reclaim America from the network of individuals and organizations waging war on our Constitution, borders and Judeo-Christian values."

Cool, very normal sources, definitely on the level here

Im not from Australia chief. I don't know what your papers or channels are in the shops or on the telly. I just googled and threw up some sources. Are they all photo shopped or edited or something? Is that the consensus?

I'm saying you're getting stuff from the very dregs of the internet. You post a lot of questionable stuff and I don't think you're on the level. AC can decide for himself if he thinks you're worth persevering with.

Whats the story with these guys Aussie bordies? Are they legit?

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:23 pm I'm saying you're getting stuff from the very dregs of the internet. You post a lot of questionable stuff and I don't think you're on the level. AC can decide for himself if he thinks you're worth persevering with.

Wow I don't know how we have gotten from that to this......... "on the level" in what regard?

Its tough online sometimes. I post up a claim that i feel the treatment of that lady was heavy handed. It was contested and claimed she incited. Fair enough.. i found a clip of a fella who didnt incite but was also arrested...then the sources were "ad-hominem'd" . I went looking for others (some are admittedly questionable it transpires). I continue to look and find ABC which should pass the sniff test i think. Now its me that has to vouch for myself You cant make it up.

You'll note the ABC link is very different in its framing.

Don't post weirdo conspiracy links and you'll do fine. Not sure how you get them in the first place.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:30 pm You'll note the ABC link is very different in its framing.

Don't post weirdo conspiracy links and you'll do fine. Not sure how you get them in the first place.

I treat all news on its own merits. I have eyes and I have ears. I make up my own mind. Some people deserve a smack of a baton .Some don't. I watch a few videos or read articles and try and get into the weeds of it. Now it does seem like there is not main stream coverage of that mans arrest. I cant legislate for why that is. I live in Portugal.

The far left and far right are two cheeks of the same arse in my opinion. And it needs a good spanking. Im not a multi or another poster purporting to be someone else.

Steve wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:37 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:30 pm You'll note the ABC link is very different in its framing.

Don't post weirdo conspiracy links and you'll do fine. Not sure how you get them in the first place.

I treat all news on its own merits. I have eyes and I have ears. I make up my own mind. Some people deserve a smack of a baton .Some don't. I watch a few videos or read articles and try and get into the weeds of it. Now it does seem like there is not main stream coverage of that mans arrest. I cant legislate for why that is. I live in Portugal.

The far left and far right are two cheeks of the same arse in my opinion. And it needs a good spanking. Im not a multi or another poster purporting to be someone else.

I don't believe you, but regardless there's no point posturing about "making up your own mind" if you're going to post links to conspiracy theorists and discredited lunatics. This isn't a left vs right thing. This is basic consider-the-source stuff that you need in order to navigate an internet full of misinformation, and in order not to spread said misinformation.

I remain deeply suspicious of anyone whose go-to sources are like yours.

“Buzzfeed” is fine.

Steve wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:37 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:30 pm You'll note the ABC link is very different in its framing.

Don't post weirdo conspiracy links and you'll do fine. Not sure how you get them in the first place.

I treat all news on its own merits. I have eyes and I have ears. I make up my own mind. Some people deserve a smack of a baton .Some don't. I watch a few videos or read articles and try and get into the weeds of it. Now it does seem like there is not main stream coverage of that mans arrest. I cant legislate for why that is. I live in Portugal.

The far left and far right are two cheeks of the same arse in my opinion. And it needs a good spanking. Im not a multi or another poster purporting to be someone else.

Okay you've made your point. You clearly believe that it's fine for people to protest during a Stage 4 lockdown, and you believe that people's online actions should have no real-world consequences. We'll have to agree to disagree on both those points.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:45 pm

Steve wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:37 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:30 pm You'll note the ABC link is very different in its framing.

Don't post weirdo conspiracy links and you'll do fine. Not sure how you get them in the first place.

I treat all news on its own merits. I have eyes and I have ears. I make up my own mind. Some people deserve a smack of a baton .Some don't. I watch a few videos or read articles and try and get into the weeds of it. Now it does seem like there is not main stream coverage of that mans arrest. I cant legislate for why that is. I live in Portugal.

The far left and far right are two cheeks of the same arse in my opinion. And it needs a good spanking. Im not a multi or another poster purporting to be someone else.

I don't believe you, but regardless there's no point posturing about "making up your own mind" if you're going to post links to conspiracy theorists and discredited lunatics. This isn't a left vs right thing. This is basic consider-the-source stuff that you need in order to navigate an internet full of misinformation, and in order not to spread said misinformation.

I remain deeply suspicious of anyone whose go-to sources are like yours.

you don't believe what ?

That you aren't a multi. There's virtually no chance someone entirely new finds this board and joins in with the speed and volume that you have.

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:47 pm

Steve wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:37 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:30 pm You'll note the ABC link is very different in its framing.

Don't post weirdo conspiracy links and you'll do fine. Not sure how you get them in the first place.

I treat all news on its own merits. I have eyes and I have ears. I make up my own mind. Some people deserve a smack of a baton .Some don't. I watch a few videos or read articles and try and get into the weeds of it. Now it does seem like there is not main stream coverage of that mans arrest. I cant legislate for why that is. I live in Portugal.

The far left and far right are two cheeks of the same arse in my opinion. And it needs a good spanking. Im not a multi or another poster purporting to be someone else.

Okay you've made your point. You clearly believe that it's fine for people to protest during a Stage 4 lockdown, and you believe that people's online actions should have no real-world consequences. We'll have to agree to disagree on both those points.

You can correct me if im wrong, I am led to believe it was stage 3 in Ballarat where this woman was arrested which was same stage BLM protests took place under? I have read this online but will bow to your local knowledge.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:51 pm That you aren't a multi. There's virtually no chance someone entirely new finds this board and joins in with the speed and volume that you have.

long time lurker of PR. had an account with about 40 posts for a time. Im no-one of any renown on the forum.

Seen as this was new I figured i could get in at ground level and become part of the gang. Although im not sure that im going to flourish here.

Maybe i should stick to whether or not Jordan or Barrett deserve 15 shirt....although some people will say that's even more contentious than politics.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:51 pm That you aren't a multi. There's virtually no chance someone entirely new finds this board and joins in with the speed and volume that you have.

There is zero chance of this being a brand new poster.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:47 pm “Buzzfeed” is fine.

Yes. BuzzFeed News is an award winning news organisation. Random Youtube conspiracy theorists and extremist websites are not credible. They're not even on the same level as the Express or the Daily Mail.

Steve wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:51 pm You can correct me if im wrong, I am led to believe it was stage 3 in Ballarat where this woman was arrested which was same stage BLM protests took place under? I have read this online but will bow to your local knowledge.

You mean the same BLM protests that the Vic Police and State govt were savaged by the media for allowing to happen? The same media who are now savaging Vic Police and the State govt for being too heavy handed towards protests? Just this week the Deputy PM of Australia blamed the BLM protests for Victoria's 2nd wave. Yet you seem to be suggesting that Vic Police should be going easy on future protests?

Btw, mass gatherings are still illegal under stage 3. Ballarat has more COVID-19 cases than the entire state of QLD.

Steve wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:54 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:51 pm That you aren't a multi. There's virtually no chance someone entirely new finds this board and joins in with the speed and volume that you have.

long time lurker of PR. had an account with about 40 posts for a time. Im no-one of any renown on the forum.

Seen as this was new I figured i could get in at ground level and become part of the gang. Although im not sure that im going to flourish here.

Maybe i should stick to whether or not Jordan or Barrett deserve 15 shirt....although some people will say that's even more contentious than politics.

What was your PR login? If I'm chatting with Toga I'd like to know it.

As an aside, the BLM protests in the USA didn't seem to do much in terms of spreading COVID - https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408 - but the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally had a huge impact:

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:00 pm

Steve wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:54 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:51 pm That you aren't a multi. There's virtually no chance someone entirely new finds this board and joins in with the speed and volume that you have.

long time lurker of PR. had an account with about 40 posts for a time. Im no-one of any renown on the forum.

Seen as this was new I figured i could get in at ground level and become part of the gang. Although im not sure that im going to flourish here.

Maybe i should stick to whether or not Jordan or Barrett deserve 15 shirt....although some people will say that's even more contentious than politics.

What was your PR login? If I'm chatting with Toga I'd like to know it.

Toga is here as Kawazaki.

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:59 pm

Steve wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:51 pm You can correct me if im wrong, I am led to believe it was stage 3 in Ballarat where this woman was arrested which was same stage BLM protests took place under? I have read this online but will bow to your local knowledge.

You mean the same BLM protests that the Vic Police and State govt were savaged by the media for allowing to happen? The same media who are now savaging Vic Police and the State govt for being too heavy handed towards protests? Just this week the Deputy PM of Australia blamed the BLM protests for Victoria's 2nd wave. Yet you seem to be suggesting that Vic Police should be going easy on future protests?

Btw, mass gatherings are still illegal under stage 3. Ballarat has more COVID-19 cases than the entire state of QLD.

i didnt know that about stage 3 being the same. point taken .

I think protests are a staple freedom of any civilised society. I think a lot of them (protests) are fucking moronic and I don't subscribe to what these particular protesters were advocating for but I defend their right to be able to do it.

Im not the media, whether they savaged them for the BLM ones or not is not my remit. Its a straw man argument. Ive seen what happened to this lady and this "ex soldier" and im not comfortable with it.
Especially looking through the lens of being in Europemyself , having much worse cases than you guys and not being treated like that. Thats all im saying. i don't have a dog in the race.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:04 pm Toga is here as Kawazaki.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that Steve has gone missing the moment he's asked what moniker he used over at PR.

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:09 pm I'm sure it's just a coincidence that Steve has gone missing the moment he's asked what moniker he used over at PR.

pm sent

Steve wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:54 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:51 pm That you aren't a multi. There's virtually no chance someone entirely new finds this board and joins in with the speed and volume that you have.

long time lurker of PR. had an account with about 40 posts for a time. Im no-one of any renown on the forum.

Seen as this was new I figured i could get in at ground level and become part of the gang. Although im not sure that im going to flourish here.

Maybe i should stick to whether or not Jordan or Barrett deserve 15 shirt....although some people will say that's even more contentious than politics.

fact check correction.....i had 200 posts over 8 years.

Steve wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:12 pm

Steve wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:54 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:51 pm That you aren't a multi. There's virtually no chance someone entirely new finds this board and joins in with the speed and volume that you have.

long time lurker of PR. had an account with about 40 posts for a time. Im no-one of any renown on the forum.

Seen as this was new I figured i could get in at ground level and become part of the gang. Although im not sure that im going to flourish here.

Maybe i should stick to whether or not Jordan or Barrett deserve 15 shirt....although some people will say that's even more contentious than politics.

fact check correction.....i had 200 posts over 8 years.

The irony being that the majority of the people arouind 200 posts on the PR list are multis like ragyboy and Taffia...

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:15 pm

Steve wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:12 pm

Steve wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:54 pm

long time lurker of PR. had an account with about 40 posts for a time. Im no-one of any renown on the forum.

Seen as this was new I figured i could get in at ground level and become part of the gang. Although im not sure that im going to flourish here.

Maybe i should stick to whether or not Jordan or Barrett deserve 15 shirt....although some people will say that's even more contentious than politics.

fact check correction.....i had 200 posts over 8 years.

The irony being that the majority of the people arouind 200 posts on the PR list are multis like ragyboy and Taffia...

is there any way for me to prove to you my validity or authenticity ? will i pm you over there or something?

There are no PMs on Planet Rugby. You don't need to prove anything to me, really. You can just tell me to fuck off. But between the weird conspiracy stuff and the forum spamming, it's hardly been a good start has it?

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:17 pm There are no PMs on Planet Rugby. You don't need to prove anything to me, really. You can just tell me to fuck off. But between the weird conspiracy stuff and the forum spamming, it's hardly been a good start has it?

I think i have been quite conciliatory considering ive no idea who you are either.

That must have been some serious lurking over on PR then!

Steve wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:11 pm

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:09 pm I'm sure it's just a coincidence that Steve has gone missing the moment he's asked what moniker he used over at PR.

pm sent

Just a heads up. On this forum the main groups of posters have tended to stick to their own national 'covid 19' threads. Given the tragic consequences of this global pandemic, sticking to our own threads has resulted in far fewer incidents of trolling or genuine 'misunderstandings'. It's easy for even well-intended posts to be misrepresented given the emotions linked to covid-19 and the fact that people are dying and fighting for the lives across every jurisdiction. The Victorian posters on this forum, who have effectively been in hard lockdown since March, might also be sensitive to your comments given we are now in September.

So given you have admitted to knowing little/nothing about the Australian context, and given that you have shown an inability to quality assure online links and sources, I suggest that to avoid future issues your best bet is to stick to a NH covid-19 thread. Lest you come across as a troll.

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:29 pm

Steve wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:11 pm

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:09 pm I'm sure it's just a coincidence that Steve has gone missing the moment he's asked what moniker he used over at PR.

pm sent

global pandemic,

I suppose that's why i felt i could comment

as an aside isn't a pandemic global by definition without using the word global as a preface.

Pandemic coming from the greek pan "all" and "demos" people.

Steve wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:34 pm I suppose that's why i felt i could comment

It's a free forum, you can comment wherever you like. But the reality is we aren't talking about a rugby match or which way you wipe your arse hole. We are talking about people dying and economies being utterly destroyed. Hence my comment about posters generally sticking to their own national covid threads. It's helped avoid misunderstanding and reduce trolling. Your comments on this thread lack any local context, and might annoy some Aussie posters as a result, especially Victorian based posters who've been in lockdown for 6 months. They are living under a curfew ffs, and you're here arguing that people should be able to protest.

Steve wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:35 pm as an aside isn't a pandemic global by definition without using the word global as a preface.

Pandemic coming from the greek pan "all" and "demos" people.

Are you trying to be smart or funny?