Stop voting for fucking Tories

[fishfoodie]

The dinosaur's dinosaur. What an absolute bell-end

Does he know Thatcher had kids ?

.... and that keeping her dip-shit son out of prison was a regular issue !

[SaintK]

So the previous ones she admitted to were just the tip of the iceberg!

Suella Braverman sent govenment documents to her personal email address 127 times when she was attorney general, FoI case reveals
Suella Braverman forwarded government documents to her private email accounts on at least 127 occasions when she was attorney general, according to a story by George Greenwood at the Times.

A Freedom of Information request submitted by The Times has now revealed that [Braverman] was forwarding such correspondence routinely while serving as the government’s top legal officer between 2021 and 2022. The 127 emails had at least 290 documents attached.

[robmatic]

So the previous ones she admitted to were just the tip of the iceberg!

Suella Braverman sent govenment documents to her personal email address 127 times when she was attorney general, FoI case reveals
Suella Braverman forwarded government documents to her private email accounts on at least 127 occasions when she was attorney general, according to a story by George Greenwood at the Times.

A Freedom of Information request submitted by The Times has now revealed that [Braverman] was forwarding such correspondence routinely while serving as the government’s top legal officer between 2021 and 2022. The 127 emails had at least 290 documents attached.

I keep stumbling at the description of her having been "the government's top legal officer". I know it's true, but it's hard to accept.

[Sandstorm]

So the previous ones she admitted to were just the tip of the iceberg!

Suella Braverman sent govenment documents to her personal email address 127 times when she was attorney general, FoI case reveals
Suella Braverman forwarded government documents to her private email accounts on at least 127 occasions when she was attorney general, according to a story by George Greenwood at the Times.

A Freedom of Information request submitted by The Times has now revealed that [Braverman] was forwarding such correspondence routinely while serving as the government’s top legal officer between 2021 and 2022. The 127 emails had at least 290 documents attached.

I keep stumbling at the description of her having been "the government's top legal officer". I know it's true, but it's hard to accept.

Stumbling? I'm laughing hysterically, then puking in a bucket.

[SaintK]

The smarmy, chinless wonder has gone full tonto

[dpedin]

The smarmy, chinless wonder has gone full tonto

What a lying cunt! Him or Badenoch is a bit of a Hobsons choice for any respectable (is there any left?) Tories!!!

[Biffer]

Genuinely tempted to write to the cunt with some utterly bullshit story to see if he talks about it in an interview without doing any checks.

[C T]

So a change of some self-imposed rules and we've got £50bn, and it doesn't appear to have "spooked" the markets, a small impact aside.

If I look at expert opinion rather than political opinion it seems to have broadly gone down well, and Hunt's explanation of it slowing down interest rate decreases doesn't appear to be seen as very accurate.

This seems to raise more questions about why the Tories didn't do it, than why Labour are doing it. Any thoughts?

[C T]

The smarmy, chinless wonder has gone full tonto

What a lying cunt! Him or Badenoch is a bit of a Hobsons choice for any respectable (is there any left?) Tories!!!

Feels a bawhair away from "They eat your pets!"

OK. He thinks immigration is a serious issue. OK, fine. Speak about it seriously then.

[Biffer]

So a change of some self-imposed rules and we've got £50bn, and it doesn't appear to have "spooked" the markets, a small impact aside.

If I look at expert opinion rather than political opinion it seems to have broadly gone down well, and Hunt's explanation of it slowing down interest rate decreases doesn't appear to be seen as very accurate.

This seems to raise more questions about why the Tories didn't do it, than why Labour are doing it. Any thoughts?

Because the Tories didn't want the invest in the NHS, they wanted us all to think it was unsaveable so that it would have to be privatised and sold off to the chaps they went to school with.

[dpedin]

So a change of some self-imposed rules and we've got £50bn, and it doesn't appear to have "spooked" the markets, a small impact aside.

If I look at expert opinion rather than political opinion it seems to have broadly gone down well, and Hunt's explanation of it slowing down interest rate decreases doesn't appear to be seen as very accurate.

This seems to raise more questions about why the Tories didn't do it, than why Labour are doing it. Any thoughts?

Reeves has a PPE degree from Oxford before doing a Master in Economics at LSE, she then worked at BoE and HBoS and is an experienced economist. Hunt has a PPE degree from Oxford, dabbled as a foreign language teacher and then worked in PR and property. Hunt was out his depth at the treasury and was only put into the role to provide a steady hand post Blonde Bumblecunt and the disastrous Truss/Kamikazi budget to settle the markets and cover the sacking of Scholar, the Permanent Sec and other experienced civil servants at the Treasury. He was basically told to do no nothing other than look clever in the run up to the General Election. The Tories hadn't a clue by this point and were on a damage limitation exercise.

[Biffer]

So a change of some self-imposed rules and we've got £50bn, and it doesn't appear to have "spooked" the markets, a small impact aside.

If I look at expert opinion rather than political opinion it seems to have broadly gone down well, and Hunt's explanation of it slowing down interest rate decreases doesn't appear to be seen as very accurate.

This seems to raise more questions about why the Tories didn't do it, than why Labour are doing it. Any thoughts?

Reeves has a PPE degree from Oxford before doing a Master in Economics at LSE, she then worked at BoE and HBoS and is an experienced economist. Hunt has a PPE degree from Oxford, dabbled as a foreign language teacher and then worked in PR and property. Hunt was out his depth at the treasury and was only put into the role to provide a steady hand post Blonde Bumblecunt and the disastrous Truss/Kamikazi budget to settle the markets and cover the sacking of Scholar, the Permanent Sec and other experienced civil servants at the Treasury. He was basically told to do no nothing other than look clever in the run up to the General Election. The Tories hadn't a clue by this point and were on a damage limitation exercise.

PPE from Oxford is a red flag, every fucking time. The rest of her experience is good though

[epwc]

Absolute total cunts:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... xperts-say

"Trade body Energy UK estimates total energy cost of leaving bloc could reach £10bn by end of decade"

[Biffer]

Absolute total cunts:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... xperts-say

"Trade body Energy UK estimates total energy cost of leaving bloc could reach £10bn by end of decade"

And in Scotland, we have to pay higher prices than most of the rest of the UK, and help to absorb this extra cost, even though we are an energy exporter, producing about 60% more than we consume.

But yeah, the union is fucking great.

[epwc]

And in Scotland, we have to pay higher prices than most of the rest of the UK, and help to absorb this extra cost

Why?

[sefton]

And in Scotland, we have to pay higher prices than most of the rest of the UK, and help to absorb this extra cost

Why?

Because it’s cold and fucking miserable.

[GrahamWa]

Absolute total cunts:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... xperts-say

"Trade body Energy UK estimates total energy cost of leaving bloc could reach £10bn by end of decade"

And in Scotland, we have to pay higher prices than most of the rest of the UK, and help to absorb this extra cost, even though we are an energy exporter, producing about 60% more than we consume.

But yeah, the union is fucking great.

We pay higher standing charges because "it costs more per capita to deliver power back to each household because population density isn't as great".

[Biffer]

Absolute total cunts:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... xperts-say

"Trade body Energy UK estimates total energy cost of leaving bloc could reach £10bn by end of decade"

And in Scotland, we have to pay higher prices than most of the rest of the UK, and help to absorb this extra cost, even though we are an energy exporter, producing about 60% more than we consume.

But yeah, the union is fucking great.

We pay higher standing charges because "it costs more per capita to deliver power back to each household because population density isn't as great".

Yeah, but no account is taken of the power not having to be transmitted so far.

[robmatic]

And in Scotland, we have to pay higher prices than most of the rest of the UK, and help to absorb this extra cost, even though we are an energy exporter, producing about 60% more than we consume.

But yeah, the union is fucking great.

We pay higher standing charges because "it costs more per capita to deliver power back to each household because population density isn't as great".

Yeah, but no account is taken of the power not having to be transmitted so far.

Isn't it? I would expect grid transmission to be cheap relative to the final miles to the domestic customer in any case.

[dpedin]

So a change of some self-imposed rules and we've got £50bn, and it doesn't appear to have "spooked" the markets, a small impact aside.

If I look at expert opinion rather than political opinion it seems to have broadly gone down well, and Hunt's explanation of it slowing down interest rate decreases doesn't appear to be seen as very accurate.

This seems to raise more questions about why the Tories didn't do it, than why Labour are doing it. Any thoughts?

Reeves has a PPE degree from Oxford before doing a Master in Economics at LSE, she then worked at BoE and HBoS and is an experienced economist. Hunt has a PPE degree from Oxford, dabbled as a foreign language teacher and then worked in PR and property. Hunt was out his depth at the treasury and was only put into the role to provide a steady hand post Blonde Bumblecunt and the disastrous Truss/Kamikazi budget to settle the markets and cover the sacking of Scholar, the Permanent Sec and other experienced civil servants at the Treasury. He was basically told to do no nothing other than look clever in the run up to the General Election. The Tories hadn't a clue by this point and were on a damage limitation exercise.

PPE from Oxford is a red flag, every fucking time. The rest of her experience is good though

Remember Kwarteng had a PhD in economics .... although the topic of his thesis was the English Recoinage of 1695-7. He was basically a very bright historian but out of touch with reality! Perhaps his time working for odious Odey didnt help?

[Biffer]

Reeves has a PPE degree from Oxford before doing a Master in Economics at LSE, she then worked at BoE and HBoS and is an experienced economist. Hunt has a PPE degree from Oxford, dabbled as a foreign language teacher and then worked in PR and property. Hunt was out his depth at the treasury and was only put into the role to provide a steady hand post Blonde Bumblecunt and the disastrous Truss/Kamikazi budget to settle the markets and cover the sacking of Scholar, the Permanent Sec and other experienced civil servants at the Treasury. He was basically told to do no nothing other than look clever in the run up to the General Election. The Tories hadn't a clue by this point and were on a damage limitation exercise.

PPE from Oxford is a red flag, every fucking time. The rest of her experience is good though

Remember Kwarteng had a PhD in economics .... although the topic of his thesis was the English Recoinage of 1695-7. He was basically a very bright historian but out of touch with reality! Perhaps his time working for odious Odey didnt help?

Well, there’s the point about Kwarteng. He likes people to say he has a PhD in Economics, but he doesn’t. It’s in the history of economics. It’s absolutely not an economics degree. Cambridge classifies it as in Political History. And his undergrad was history and classics. He has no economics qualifications.

[Achahoish]

PPE from Oxford is a red flag, every fucking time. The rest of her experience is good though

Remember Kwarteng had a PhD in economics .... although the topic of his thesis was the English Recoinage of 1695-7. He was basically a very bright historian but out of touch with reality! Perhaps his time working for odious Odey didnt help?

Well, there’s the point about Kwarteng. He likes people to say he has a PhD in Economics, but he doesn’t. It’s in the history of economics. It’s absolutely not an economics degree. Cambridge classifies it as in Political History. And his undergrad was history and classics. He has no economics qualifications.

It's not just the Tories.
Andrew Bailey, Governor of BOE, BA & PHD in history.His thesis? you ask. "The impact of the Napoleonic Wars on the development of the cotton industry in Lancashire: a study of the structure and behaviour of firms during the Industrial Revolution"

Yeah, very relevant Andy

[fishfoodie]

Remember Kwarteng had a PhD in economics .... although the topic of his thesis was the English Recoinage of 1695-7. He was basically a very bright historian but out of touch with reality! Perhaps his time working for odious Odey didnt help?

Well, there’s the point about Kwarteng. He likes people to say he has a PhD in Economics, but he doesn’t. It’s in the history of economics. It’s absolutely not an economics degree. Cambridge classifies it as in Political History. And his undergrad was history and classics. He has no economics qualifications.

It's not just the Tories.
Andrew Bailey, Governor of BOE, BA & PHD in history.His thesis? you ask. "The impact of the Napoleonic Wars on the development of the cotton industry in Lancashire: a study of the structure and behaviour of firms during the Industrial Revolution"

Yeah, very relevant Andy

Documentary, not Comedy

[Rhubarb & Custard]

It's one area the Japanese and Germans were lording it over us, appointing people who knew what they were doing whilst we had people reading theology, classics and history, maybe PPE, running the likes of ICI.

Luckily as those economies boomed more and more people want to do easy courses and become accountants and lawyers hoping to earn an income off the back of others doing the actual work bit.

[petej]

It's one area the Japanese and Germans were lording it over us, appointing people who knew what they were doing whilst we had people reading theology, classics and history, maybe PPE, running the likes of ICI.

Luckily as those economies boomed more and more people want to do easy courses and become accountants and lawyers hoping to earn an income off the back of others doing the actual work bit.

The UK is service industry parasite central. It is why things like HS2 and Hinckley C are such shit shows. They add lots of valueless shite, contribute to enlarging enabling functions (that have totally forgotten about being enablers) to interact with them and that just take all the money and attention. Worst aspect of my job by such a large margin is dealing with commercial and financial teams.

[epwc]

The brown people should be grateful for us having destroyed their cultures, religions, societies and of course taking all their shiny pretty stuff to make ourselves richer:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eparations

CUNT!

[SaintK]

The brown people should be grateful for us having destroyed their cultures, religions, societies and of course taking all their shiny pretty stuff to make ourselves richer:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eparations

CUNT!

Quite
He undoubtably is

[epwc]

He said: “The territories colonised by our empire were not advanced democracies. Many had been cruel, slave-trading powers. Some had never been independent. The British empire broke the long chain of violent tyranny as we came to introduce – gradually and imperfectly – Christian values.”

Honestly, Christian values? They've resolved the structural issues left behind by Empire in Nigeria? Palestine? India, Pakistan, Bangladesh?

Absolute fucking imbecile

[epwc]

"I would end small boat crossings in weeks"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8dmq88j6rro

I could be the queen of fucking England!

[sefton]

The brown people should be grateful for us having destroyed their cultures, religions, societies and of course taking all their shiny pretty stuff to make ourselves richer:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eparations

CUNT!

Quite
He undoubtably is

He’s gone from bring a bland but corrupt centrist to a corrupt Enoch Powell wannabe.

[fishfoodie]

He said: “The territories colonised by our empire were not advanced democracies. Many had been cruel, slave-trading powers. Some had never been independent. The British empire broke the long chain of violent tyranny as we came to introduce – gradually and imperfectly – Christian values.”

Honestly, Christian values? They've resolved the structural issues left behind by Empire in Nigeria? Palestine? India, Pakistan, Bangladesh?

Absolute fucking imbecile

Does he not have sufficient self-awareness to know that NI's existence is testimony to the British Empires enduring legacy of fucking up Nations & peoples, because some cunts in Whitehall drew arbitrary lines on maps, with zero knowledge, & expected things to be just fine & dandy.

What a cunt !!

[Tichtheid]

He said: “The territories colonised by our empire were not advanced democracies. Many had been cruel, slave-trading powers. Some had never been independent. The British empire broke the long chain of violent tyranny as we came to introduce – gradually and imperfectly – Christian values.”

Honestly, Christian values? They've resolved the structural issues left behind by Empire in Nigeria? Palestine? India, Pakistan, Bangladesh?

Absolute fucking imbecile

It might be funny if it weren't for the gallery he's playing to.

Someone should ask him about a timeline extension of the franchise in every part of the UK, just for starters, before the difficult questions on disenfranchisement and detachment

Advanced democracy my arse.

[petej]

Jenricks a tit. There were no advanced democracies in that era. Slave trading was normal. The British empire was significant with regard to slavery both in industrialising it and then banning it and neither should be downplayed but I would say that the latter came from humanist /socialist values rather than Christian ones and the wealthy slave owners did not give up their slaves for free but they were bought off them and the debt incurred is one that most UK posters will have contributed to paying off.

On the structural issues once the empire was gone - it is up to those countries to own and resolve for themselves. There is a lot delusion about the structures prior to the empire being all lovely and brilliant which will be total horse shit which a quick look at the east African or Indian ocean slave trade will rapidly dispell. A lack of acknowledgement that a lot of empire building comes from working already existing internal powers in those regions.

[epwc]

it is up to those countries to own and resolve for themselves.

How? The west has been involved directly and indirectly in regime change in all ex colonial territories, for strategic and financial gain. Territories that didn't even exist prior to Empire (Saudi Arabia, Nigeria etc)

The Saudi regime as a single example was installed by us and is 100% reliant on Western support

Agree there was no lovely peaceful Shangri La either here or in the colonised countries prior to Empire

[Paddington Bear]

Jenricks a tit. There were no advanced democracies in that era. Slave trading was normal. The British empire was significant with regard to slavery both in industrialising it and then banning it and neither should be downplayed but I would say that the latter came from humanist /socialist values rather than Christian ones and the wealthy slave owners did not give up their slaves for free but they were bought off them and the debt incurred is one that most UK posters will have contributed to paying off.

On the structural issues once the empire was gone - it is up to those countries to own and resolve for themselves. There is a lot delusion about the structures prior to the empire being all lovely and brilliant which will be total horse shit which a quick look at the east African or Indian ocean slave trade will rapidly dispell. A lack of acknowledgement that a lot of empire building comes from working already existing internal powers in those regions.

I appreciate we live in a secular age but Christianity was *the* driving force behind abolitionism. Socialism was barely in its infancy by the time it was abolished

And yes, I think it may well have come as a shock to a lot of people across West Africa and South Asia that they were ever part of the British Empire.

[petej]

it is up to those countries to own and resolve for themselves.

How? The west has been involved directly and indirectly in regime change in all ex colonial territories, for strategic and financial gain. Territories that didn't even exist prior to Empire (Saudi Arabia, Nigeria etc)

The Saudi regime as a single example was installed by us and is 100% reliant on Western support

Agree there was no lovely peaceful Shangri La either here or in the colonised countries prior to Empire

Not convinced more fiddling from the west will help progress those regions though we aren't the only people interfering (eg Russia). It is better if those countries resolve and progress things with less interference. Like Saddam was a nasty prick but did removing him help. Did installing and removing the Taliban in Afghanistan help? Territories/borders have shifted throughout history so any border created is disputable. Humans are just way messier than we like to pretend. With interfering you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

[robmatic]

it is up to those countries to own and resolve for themselves.

How? The west has been involved directly and indirectly in regime change in all ex colonial territories, for strategic and financial gain. Territories that didn't even exist prior to Empire (Saudi Arabia, Nigeria etc)

The Saudi regime as a single example was installed by us and is 100% reliant on Western support

Agree there was no lovely peaceful Shangri La either here or in the colonised countries prior to Empire

Saudi Arabia is not a great example given that it was never a Western colony.

[Paddington Bear]

it is up to those countries to own and resolve for themselves.

How? The west has been involved directly and indirectly in regime change in all ex colonial territories, for strategic and financial gain. Territories that didn't even exist prior to Empire (Saudi Arabia, Nigeria etc)

The Saudi regime as a single example was installed by us and is 100% reliant on Western support

Agree there was no lovely peaceful Shangri La either here or in the colonised countries prior to Empire

Not convinced more fiddling from the west will help progress those regions though we aren't the only people interfering (eg Russia). It is better if those countries resolve and progress things with less interference. Like Saddam was a nasty prick but did removing him help. Did installing and removing the Taliban in Afghanistan help? Territories/borders have shifted throughout history so any border created is disputable. Humans are just way messier than we like to pretend. With interfering you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

You read about the history of Empires (not just the British) and what becomes apparent is how often the central state is very very reluctantly pushed into wars they’d rather not fight by the perception that they have no choice.

[epwc]

Saudi Arabia is not a great example given that it was never a Western colony.

I disagree, it was colonised by someone, we dismantled that Empire and then decided to install a regime that we support to this day, even if they dismember journalists in their embassies

[Brazil]

Saudi Arabia is not a great example given that it was never a Western colony.

I disagree, it was colonised by someone, we dismantled that Empire and then decided to install a regime that we support to this day, even if they dismember journalists in their embassies

If you've not heard them, the Empire podcasts on the birth of Saudi are very interesting. StJOhn Philby was hugely significant in setting up Saud as King, and tilting the country to the US.