NPR

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 8:38 am Penza, Russia - fire breaks out at a warehouse full of sunflower seeds (!)

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 2:07 pm The chief economist of the Institute of International Finance is predicting Russian GDP will drop by 30% by the end of 2022. That's a complete economic collapse.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 2:52 pm

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 2:07 pm The chief economist of the Institute of International Finance is predicting Russian GDP will drop by 30% by the end of 2022. That's a complete economic collapse.

That's a hell of a long time though, who knows what our own might be like by then.

Seen this reported, Russia’s Counsellor to the United Nations in Geneva has resigned. Hope he enjoys his new career as pig farmer

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 2:52 pm

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 2:07 pm The chief economist of the Institute of International Finance is predicting Russian GDP will drop by 30% by the end of 2022. That's a complete economic collapse.

That's a hell of a long time though, who knows what our own might be like by then.

Seen this reported, Russia’s Counsellor to the United Nations in Geneva has resigned. Hope he enjoys his new career as pig farmer

Slick wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 3:05 pm Looks very, very fake to me

Slick wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 3:05 pm

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 2:52 pm

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 2:07 pm The chief economist of the Institute of International Finance is predicting Russian GDP will drop by 30% by the end of 2022. That's a complete economic collapse.

That's a hell of a long time though, who knows what our own might be like by then.

Seen this reported, Russia’s Counsellor to the United Nations in Geneva has resigned. Hope he enjoys his new career as pig farmer

Looks very, very fake to me

Slick wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 8:01 pm Look lads, I’ve got everything wrong on this thread, literally from page 1 to here, so don’t go acting all Billy Bigbaws about so called “providence” of that letter

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 6:57 am

Niegs wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 7:08 am How resistant would a T-64 be to a standard rpg?

_Os_ wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 10:29 am Are we actually going to see Donetsk "separatists" (really just Russia) fielding T55s, with guys riding them wearing WW2 helmets and armed with Mosin Nagants, like they're storming Berlin or something?

Seems entirely likely. The only new element would be the T55, and "separatists" fielded an IS3 and T34 (up armoured mad max style) in 2014.

Battalions of T55s crewed by people with no clue what they're doing, would be totally normal for the Russian side in Ukraine. Totally in keeping with deploying a WW2 armoured train.

inactionman wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 10:47 am I'm really struggling to get my head around Putin's deplorable lack of concern in his own troops' welfare.

I worked with MoD for a fair while on logistics, and it was always an article of faith that - if all else has to be cannibalised, bodged or delayed - the medevac and medical equipment was always first priority. (Well, strictly, strategic deterrent was first priority but that doesn't need too many helicopter stretchers and that was always invisible to us anyway)

One of the business drivers for a £100M+ inventory transformation project was a soldier on an armoured vehicle was killed by an IED as the systems weren't configured to issue the correct size body protective equipment in the context of the vehicle. This was universally agreed to be unacceptable.

You can't send young lads and lasses away to die without doing everything in your power to keep them safe and to look after them if worse comes to worst.

Russia aren't even recovering or burying bodies, or providing any support to bereaved families. The medical supplies are a joke. The, equipment, spares and fuel have all been (pardon pun) syphoned off.

Now it looks like they're going to send conscripts to pretty much certain death in obsolete vehicles with equipment their grandfathers might have used.

Plenty of stuff in this war has been dreadful, but this is a different form of scumbaggery.

It's not enough to make me feel sorry for the orc scummers murdering civilians, but it's sickening nonetheless.

inactionman wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 10:47 am I'm really struggling to get my head around Putin's deplorable lack of concern in his own troops' welfare.

I worked with MoD for a fair while on logistics, and it was always an article of faith that - if all else has to be cannibalised, bodged or delayed - the medevac and medical equipment was always first priority. (Well, strictly, strategic deterrent was first priority but that doesn't need too many helicopter stretchers and that was always invisible to us anyway)

One of the business drivers for a £100M+ inventory transformation project was a soldier on an armoured vehicle was killed by an IED as the systems weren't configured to issue the correct size body protective equipment in the context of the vehicle. This was universally agreed to be unacceptable.

You can't send young lads and lasses away to die without doing everything in your power to keep them safe and to look after them if worse comes to worst.

Russia aren't even recovering or burying bodies, or providing any support to bereaved families. The medical supplies are a joke. The, equipment, spares and fuel have all been (pardon pun) syphoned off.

Now it looks like they're going to send conscripts to pretty much certain death in obsolete vehicles with equipment their grandfathers might have used.

Plenty of stuff in this war has been dreadful, but this is a different form of scumbaggery.

It's not enough to make me feel sorry for the orc scummers murdering civilians, but it's sickening nonetheless.

TheFrog wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 11:17 am

inactionman wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 10:47 am I'm really struggling to get my head around Putin's deplorable lack of concern in his own troops' welfare.

You can't send young lads and lasses away to die without doing everything in your power to keep them safe and to look after them if worse comes to worst.

Russia aren't even recovering or burying bodies, or providing any support to bereaved families. The medical supplies are a joke. The, equipment, spares and fuel have all been (pardon pun) syphoned off.

Now it looks like they're going to send conscripts to pretty much certain death in obsolete vehicles with equipment their grandfathers might have used.

Plenty of stuff in this war has been dreadful, but this is a different form of scumbaggery.

It's not enough to make me feel sorry for the orc scummers murdering civilians, but it's sickening nonetheless.

They are sending the rabble and the poorer of the ethnic minorities to war. Putin doesn't care about their lives.*

Russia's advantage over Ukraine in this war is naval power and human resources. And I get the feeling that they'll keep throwing bodies at this war even if equipped with peaks and forks.

Meanwhile, each death on the Ukrainian side is a blow, never mind all the sophisticated equipment the country may be receiving.

Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 12:05 pm

TheFrog wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 11:17 am

inactionman wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 10:47 am I'm really struggling to get my head around Putin's deplorable lack of concern in his own troops' welfare.

You can't send young lads and lasses away to die without doing everything in your power to keep them safe and to look after them if worse comes to worst.

Russia aren't even recovering or burying bodies, or providing any support to bereaved families. The medical supplies are a joke. The, equipment, spares and fuel have all been (pardon pun) syphoned off.

Now it looks like they're going to send conscripts to pretty much certain death in obsolete vehicles with equipment their grandfathers might have used.

Plenty of stuff in this war has been dreadful, but this is a different form of scumbaggery.

It's not enough to make me feel sorry for the orc scummers murdering civilians, but it's sickening nonetheless.

They are sending the rabble and the poorer of the ethnic minorities to war. Putin doesn't care about their lives.*

Russia's advantage over Ukraine in this war is naval power and human resources. And I get the feeling that they'll keep throwing bodies at this war even if equipped with peaks and forks.

Meanwhile, each death on the Ukrainian side is a blow, never mind all the sophisticated equipment the country may be receiving.

This*
I read several articles saying that about 2 thirds of the dead and injured soldiers were from the poorest parts of russia or areas with unrests, they concluded that it looks like an hidden ethnic cleansing.

TheFrog wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 11:17 am

inactionman wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 10:47 am I'm really struggling to get my head around Putin's deplorable lack of concern in his own troops' welfare.

I worked with MoD for a fair while on logistics, and it was always an article of faith that - if all else has to be cannibalised, bodged or delayed - the medevac and medical equipment was always first priority. (Well, strictly, strategic deterrent was first priority but that doesn't need too many helicopter stretchers and that was always invisible to us anyway)

One of the business drivers for a £100M+ inventory transformation project was a soldier on an armoured vehicle was killed by an IED as the systems weren't configured to issue the correct size body protective equipment in the context of the vehicle. This was universally agreed to be unacceptable.

You can't send young lads and lasses away to die without doing everything in your power to keep them safe and to look after them if worse comes to worst.

Russia aren't even recovering or burying bodies, or providing any support to bereaved families. The medical supplies are a joke. The, equipment, spares and fuel have all been (pardon pun) syphoned off.

Now it looks like they're going to send conscripts to pretty much certain death in obsolete vehicles with equipment their grandfathers might have used.

Plenty of stuff in this war has been dreadful, but this is a different form of scumbaggery.

It's not enough to make me feel sorry for the orc scummers murdering civilians, but it's sickening nonetheless.

They are sending the rabble and the poorer of the ethnic minorities to war. Putin doesn't care about their lives.

Russia's advantage over Ukraine in this war is naval power and human resources. And I get the feeling that they'll keep throwing bodies at this war even if equipped with peaks and forks.

Meanwhile, each death on the Ukrainian side is a blow, never mind all the sophisticated equipment the country may be receiving.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 1:57 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 9:21 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 8:01 pm Look lads, I’ve got everything wrong on this thread, literally from page 1 to here, so don’t go acting all Billy Bigbaws about so called “providence” of that letter

Just this thread?

TheFrog wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 11:17 am

inactionman wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 10:47 am I'm really struggling to get my head around Putin's deplorable lack of concern in his own troops' welfare.

I worked with MoD for a fair while on logistics, and it was always an article of faith that - if all else has to be cannibalised, bodged or delayed - the medevac and medical equipment was always first priority. (Well, strictly, strategic deterrent was first priority but that doesn't need too many helicopter stretchers and that was always invisible to us anyway)

One of the business drivers for a £100M+ inventory transformation project was a soldier on an armoured vehicle was killed by an IED as the systems weren't configured to issue the correct size body protective equipment in the context of the vehicle. This was universally agreed to be unacceptable.

You can't send young lads and lasses away to die without doing everything in your power to keep them safe and to look after them if worse comes to worst.

Russia aren't even recovering or burying bodies, or providing any support to bereaved families. The medical supplies are a joke. The, equipment, spares and fuel have all been (pardon pun) syphoned off.

Now it looks like they're going to send conscripts to pretty much certain death in obsolete vehicles with equipment their grandfathers might have used.

Plenty of stuff in this war has been dreadful, but this is a different form of scumbaggery.

It's not enough to make me feel sorry for the orc scummers murdering civilians, but it's sickening nonetheless.

They are sending the rabble and the poorer of the ethnic minorities to war. Putin doesn't care about their lives.

Russia's advantage over Ukraine in this war is naval power and human resources. And I get the feeling that they'll keep throwing bodies at this war even if equipped with peaks and forks.

Meanwhile, each death on the Ukrainian side is a blow, never mind all the sophisticated equipment the country may be receiving.

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 2:14 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 11:30 pm

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 5:08 pm Russian paratrooper alleged to have been present in Bucha during the massacre identified from a photo published in an article in the NYT concerning the murder of 9 civilians. A native of Magadan in the far east of Siberia served with one of the two Air Assault Regiments charged with "cleaning up" the town. Even if he is not responsible personally, it gives hope that it's not impossible to find those who were - though getting any of them out of Russia to face war crimes charges might be.

Or just do what Israel did after Munich, & say fuck the rules of civilized Nations; because we aren't dealing with a civilized Nation, & send out assassination squads, & kill the murdering/raping bastards, & worry about the legal implication,when & if anyone gives a damn !

Define a civilized nation....

Hellraiser wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 3:44 pm