NPR

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:01 pm I would imagine it's the notion that Wales were coached and Scotland penalised that sparks the accusation of delusion.

C69 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:12 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:08 pm Unusual, but not unprecedented. I'll admit to only keep half an eye on proceedings until the momentum swing, but I didn't feel like the ref was saying any more to the Welsh than he was the Scots.

Nah he was fair. You guys imploded against our kids

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:21 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:12 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:08 pm Unusual, but not unprecedented. I'll admit to only keep half an eye on proceedings until the momentum swing, but I didn't feel like the ref was saying any more to the Welsh than he was the Scots.

Nah he was fair. You guys imploded against our kids

Wales lost, twice in a row against Scotland now. Wales aren't beating Scotland any year soon.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:05 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:01 pm I would imagine it's the notion that Wales were coached and Scotland penalised that sparks the accusation of delusion.

a 16 - 4 overall penalty count, including 14 - 0 in a row in that period after van der Merwe's second half try is rather unusual, I would have thought.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:10 pm

FalconJock wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:08 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:04 pm It would be interesting to learn if any team has won a game where the penalty count was 16-4 against with two yellow cards as part of it.
14 penalties against Scotland in a row - you'd think that would be some kind of record.

I very much doubt that we'll face that again.

For fifty minutes there was a huge gulf between the sides. For the last five it was back to that.

What's annoying for me is that Wales were warned in about the 8th minute about being offside and adjusted, Scotland didn't. We are either thicker than a whale omlette or think that refs are dumber than a bag of rocks and all have shor term memory problems.

You've hit on a point that was raised throughout the second half on the Glasgow bored by several posters - the feeling there was that Wales were warned/coached and Scotland were penalised

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:49 pm I don't think I've ever behaved this way after a rugby game before and I'm not proud of it.

I got very fed up of years of Welsh arrogance on various boreds and their coach was exactly the same after the game today as he has always been, so that was behind what I've posted since the final whistle.

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:15 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:49 pm I don't think I've ever behaved this way after a rugby game before and I'm not proud of it.

I got very fed up of years of Welsh arrogance on various boreds and their coach was exactly the same after the game today as he has always been, so that was behind what I've posted since the final whistle.

What did Cockland say this time?

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:10 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:10 pm

FalconJock wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:08 pm

What's annoying for me is that Wales were warned in about the 8th minute about being offside and adjusted, Scotland didn't. We are either thicker than a whale omlette or think that refs are dumber than a bag of rocks and all have shor term memory problems.

You've hit on a point that was raised throughout the second half on the Glasgow bored by several posters - the feeling there was that Wales were warned/coached and Scotland were penalised

Gatland's teams have always been cute and canny when it came to managing the ref. Scotland need to wise up.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:20 pm

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:15 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:49 pm I don't think I've ever behaved this way after a rugby game before and I'm not proud of it.

I got very fed up of years of Welsh arrogance on various boreds and their coach was exactly the same after the game today as he has always been, so that was behind what I've posted since the final whistle.

What did Cockland say this time?

Pretty much the same ballpark as C69, it's a bunch of kids for Wales, Scotland at full strength (not true over the 23) and so the victory was actually Wales'.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:20 pm

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:15 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:49 pm I don't think I've ever behaved this way after a rugby game before and I'm not proud of it.

I got very fed up of years of Welsh arrogance on various boreds and their coach was exactly the same after the game today as he has always been, so that was behind what I've posted since the final whistle.

What did Cockland say this time?

Pretty much the same ballpark as C69, it's a bunch of kids for Wales, Scotland at full strength (not true over the 23) and so the victory was actually Wales'.

C69 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:11 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:20 pm

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:15 pm

What did Cockland say this time?

Pretty much the same ballpark as C69, it's a bunch of kids for Wales, Scotland at full strength (not true over the 23) and so the victory was actually Wales'.

Haven't heard seen what he said but this was Wales kids and not even the best kids tbh.
Sorry but we are an awful rabble and Scotland capitulated second half.
We should have lost by 40 plus today, I suspect we will get rinsed the rest of the tournament.

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:16 pm Also wrt to BOK. The last segment of play, Wales we’re lying all over the ball at every breakdown. He didn’t even tell them to get away. We should have had several advantages called and had another shot at the BP.

C69 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:36 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:16 pm Also wrt to BOK. The last segment of play, Wales we’re lying all over the ball at every breakdown. He didn’t even tell them to get away. We should have had several advantages called and had another shot at the BP.

Your players should never have gotten themselves into a position where they did not thrash such a poor young experimental shower of shit.
Wales were poor and should have been thrashed.
The ref was fine.

inactionman wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:38 pm I enjoyed the match, I'm not enjoying this whining.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:45 pm Can't understand how anyone bites on c69's rancid bait. Even he can't take himself seriously (or he'd die of shame).

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:54 pm

Big D wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:41 pm What an embarrassment of a second half.

Townsend either refuses to (very unlikely) or can't reign in the significant discipline problem. He has to clamp down on it. If it means sacking Tandy and getting a new defensive system in place or dropping players then so be it. Enough is enough

Finns comments quite revealing, I think heads will roll. Turner was especially idiotic today.

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:06 am On reflection, I’ve decided I just don’t care. We won. It may not have been the thrashing it should have been, but we went to Cardiff and we won. First time since 2002. We’ve had way too many hard luck stories in the intervening period and the table doesn’t care about the manner of the victory.

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:06 am On reflection, I’ve decided I just don’t care. We won. It may not have been the thrashing it should have been, but we went to Cardiff and we won. First time since 2002. We’ve had way too many hard luck stories in the intervening period and the table doesn’t care about the manner of the victory.

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:03 pm Right - have watched the game now. Possibly revisionist take incoming.

I don’t think Scotland were either as good in the first half, or as poor in the second, as the scoreboard would suggest.

We were dominant in the first half, but the difference between the teams was that Scotland took our chances to score - which we haven’t always been good at doing.

Wales’s period of dominance in the second half coincided almost precisely with Scotland being down to 14. The time period between Turner finally getting back onto the pitch and Tuipulotu going off was 90 seconds. Effectively it was over 20 minutes continuously with a man short. Neither YC was the sort of total brain fart we’ve been used to for years. We’ve all seen many offences like Turner’s go unpunished because the try was scored, and Tuipulotu’s was a technical infringement I struggled to see even watching it back several times.

The moment Scotland were back to parity, we got a grip on the game again and closed it out. There was one terrible lineout, but otherwise Wales didn’t get much of a sniff in the last 10.

The 14 consecutive penalties is difficult to understand. I didn’t think that was one of our worse games discipline wise. Again, few brain farts, just that Wales seemed to get every marginal call.

Overall, it was a good win which should have been a lot less close than it was.

C69 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:46 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:45 pm Can't understand how anyone bites on c69's rancid bait. Even he can't take himself seriously (or he'd die of shame).

I can assure you I would never die of shame.

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:06 am On reflection, I’ve decided I just don’t care. We won. It may not have been the thrashing it should have been, but we went to Cardiff and we won. First time since 2002. We’ve had way too many hard luck stories in the intervening period and the table doesn’t care about the manner of the victory.

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:06 am On reflection, I’ve decided I just don’t care. We won. It may not have been the thrashing it should have been, but we went to Cardiff and we won. First time since 2002. We’ve had way too many hard luck stories in the intervening period and the table doesn’t care about the manner of the victory.

Hugo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:07 am

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:03 pm Right - have watched the game now. Possibly revisionist take incoming.

I don’t think Scotland were either as good in the first half, or as poor in the second, as the scoreboard would suggest.

We were dominant in the first half, but the difference between the teams was that Scotland took our chances to score - which we haven’t always been good at doing.

Wales’s period of dominance in the second half coincided almost precisely with Scotland being down to 14. The time period between Turner finally getting back onto the pitch and Tuipulotu going off was 90 seconds. Effectively it was over 20 minutes continuously with a man short. Neither YC was the sort of total brain fart we’ve been used to for years. We’ve all seen many offences like Turner’s go unpunished because the try was scored, and Tuipulotu’s was a technical infringement I struggled to see even watching it back several times.

The moment Scotland were back to parity, we got a grip on the game again and closed it out. There was one terrible lineout, but otherwise Wales didn’t get much of a sniff in the last 10.

The 14 consecutive penalties is difficult to understand. I didn’t think that was one of our worse games discipline wise. Again, few brain farts, just that Wales seemed to get every marginal call.

Overall, it was a good win which should have been a lot less close than it was.

Good points but I wish Scotland had slowed down Wales momentum in the second half sooner rather than later. To my mind that seemed to demonstrate a lack leadership. That lineout call was suicidal.

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:05 am

Hugo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:07 am

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:03 pm Right - have watched the game now. Possibly revisionist take incoming.

I don’t think Scotland were either as good in the first half, or as poor in the second, as the scoreboard would suggest.

We were dominant in the first half, but the difference between the teams was that Scotland took our chances to score - which we haven’t always been good at doing.

Wales’s period of dominance in the second half coincided almost precisely with Scotland being down to 14. The time period between Turner finally getting back onto the pitch and Tuipulotu going off was 90 seconds. Effectively it was over 20 minutes continuously with a man short. Neither YC was the sort of total brain fart we’ve been used to for years. We’ve all seen many offences like Turner’s go unpunished because the try was scored, and Tuipulotu’s was a technical infringement I struggled to see even watching it back several times.

The moment Scotland were back to parity, we got a grip on the game again and closed it out. There was one terrible lineout, but otherwise Wales didn’t get much of a sniff in the last 10.

The 14 consecutive penalties is difficult to understand. I didn’t think that was one of our worse games discipline wise. Again, few brain farts, just that Wales seemed to get every marginal call.

Overall, it was a good win which should have been a lot less close than it was.

Good points but I wish Scotland had slowed down Wales momentum in the second half sooner rather than later. To my mind that seemed to demonstrate a lack leadership. That lineout call was suicidal.

I don’t think we could slow their momentum when we were a man short. Once they had the advantage, they threw in the kitchen sink, and that’s when the noise level of the Millennium with the roof closed really comes into play. And then we got another YC right after the first finished, which ensured their momentum continued.

Here’s the thing. Everyone remembers the Wales comeback in 2010, because they won the game. Only bitter Scotland fans remember that the comeback was achieved against 13 men, thanks to two seriously dodgy YCs, and after our entire back 3 had been carried off with serious injuries, so that we had Mike Blair playing wing. It will be the same with this game. In a year or two few people will remember the details of this game, because we won it. Perhaps unfair, but that’s how this works.

Big D wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:30 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:04 pm It would be interesting to learn if any other team has won a game where the penalty count was 16-4 against with two yellow cards as part of it.
14 penalties against Scotland in a row - you'd think that would be some kind of record.

I very much doubt that we'll face that again.

For fifty minutes there was a huge gulf between the sides. For the last five it was back to that.

It's the same pattern. Pressure comes on, defence goes really passive, give away pens and cards.

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:17 am

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:05 am

Hugo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:07 am

Good points but I wish Scotland had slowed down Wales momentum in the second half sooner rather than later. To my mind that seemed to demonstrate a lack leadership. That lineout call was suicidal.

I don’t think we could slow their momentum when we were a man short. Once they had the advantage, they threw in the kitchen sink, and that’s when the noise level of the Millennium with the roof closed really comes into play. And then we got another YC right after the first finished, which ensured their momentum continued.

Here’s the thing. Everyone remembers the Wales comeback in 2010, because they won the game. Only bitter Scotland fans remember that the comeback was achieved against 13 men, thanks to two seriously dodgy YCs, and after our entire back 3 had been carried off with serious injuries, so that we had Mike Blair playing wing. It will be the same with this game. In a year or two few people will remember the details of this game, because we won it. Perhaps unfair, but that’s how this works.

You're not very familiar with Wales?

You never beat Wales. You only score more points than them.

weegie01 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:41 am

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:06 am On reflection, I’ve decided I just don’t care. We won. It may not have been the thrashing it should have been, but we went to Cardiff and we won. First time since 2002. We’ve had way too many hard luck stories in the intervening period and the table doesn’t care about the manner of the victory.

How many times have Scotland 'moral victories'? How many times have we been told 'it's the scoreboard that counts'?

There was lots and lots to be unhappy about in that match but in the end we won. How Scotland respond to frailties exposed in that match will be critical. But since we have, for example, been making suicide line out calls at critical moments I am not sanguine.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:20 pm I think Scotland were some way off their best in the first 45. It was all pretty casual and lacked intensity, most notably in defence, because they didn't need to raise their game.

They won't be that complacent again. Always good to have the wakeup call be a game you still win.