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Posted: **Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:12 pm**

Well, that was better from Tigers. Encouraging.

Posted: **Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:21 pm**

Saracens 2ndXV doing well.

Posted: **Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:36 pm**

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:21 pm Saracens 2ndXV doing well.

Yeah only the 8 tier 1 internationals in the starting XV is a bit of a step down for them.

Posted: **Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:46 pm**

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:36 pm
Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:21 pm Saracens 2ndXV doing well.
Yeah only the 8 tier 1 internationals in the starting XV is a bit of a step down for them.

Don't forget the one on the Bristol bench.

Posted: **Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:51 pm**

That's a shit decision.

Any obstruction was very marginal, & there's no way he can say it influenced the outcome

Posted: **Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:52 pm**

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:51 pm That's a shit decision.

Any obstruction was very marginal, & there's no way he can say it influenced the outcome

Yeah, I wish there was an overhead view to actually show how close Maro was. Personally I don't think there was any chance of him even being close enough to attempt a tackle.

Posted: **Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:57 pm**

Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:52 pm
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:51 pm That's a shit decision.

Any obstruction was very marginal, & there's no way he can say it influenced the outcome
Yeah, I wish there was an overhead view to actually show how close Maro was. Personally I don't think there was any chance of him even being close enough to attempt a tackle.

Which makes blocking Itoje even more stupid.

Posted: **Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:57 pm**

Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:52 pm
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:51 pm That's a shit decision.

Any obstruction was very marginal, & there's no way he can say it influenced the outcome
Yeah, I wish there was an overhead view to actually show how close Maro was. Personally I don't think there was any chance of him even being close enough to attempt a tackle.

That's not really the point though is it? You penalise the offence, not the imagined outcome.

Posted: **Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:01 pm**

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:57 pm
Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:52 pm
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:51 pm That's a shit decision.

Any obstruction was very marginal, & there's no way he can say it influenced the outcome
Yeah, I wish there was an overhead view to actually show how close Maro was. Personally I don't think there was any chance of him even being close enough to attempt a tackle.

That's not really the point though is it? You penalise the offence, not the imagined outcome.

If Maro is not in a position to even attempt a tackle, then he can't be prevented from doing it. I think it was one of those calls that could have gone either way to be honest, an overhead view may have helped clarify it either way.

Posted: **Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:03 pm**

Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:01 pm
Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:57 pm
Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:52 pm

Yeah, I wish there was an overhead view to actually show how close Maro was. Personally I don't think there was any chance of him even being close enough to attempt a tackle.

That's not really the point though is it? You penalise the offence, not the imagined outcome.
If Maro is not in a position to even attempt a tackle, then he can't be prevented from doing it. I think it was one of those calls that could have gone either way to be honest, an overhead view may have helped clarify it either way.

Alternatively just don't change your line and make it an easy offence to spot.

Posted: **Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:06 pm**

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:03 pmAlternatively just don't change your line and make it an easy offence to spot.

Well that would have been smart too.

Posted: **Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:12 pm**

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:57 pm
Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:52 pm
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:51 pm That's a shit decision.

Any obstruction was very marginal, & there's no way he can say it influenced the outcome
Yeah, I wish there was an overhead view to actually show how close Maro was. Personally I don't think there was any chance of him even being close enough to attempt a tackle.

That's not really the point though is it? You penalise the offence, not the imagined outcome.

Come on; officials always make an assessment as to whether or not an offence matters; otherwise you'll get ARs on the opposite wing calling for penalties, when they have zero impact on play.

The mistake was in, maybe, obstructing the biggest whinger in the Premiership. It was his high pitched whine that made the officials look again

Posted: **Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:15 pm**

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:12 pm
Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:57 pm
Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:52 pm

Yeah, I wish there was an overhead view to actually show how close Maro was. Personally I don't think there was any chance of him even being close enough to attempt a tackle.

That's not really the point though is it? You penalise the offence, not the imagined outcome.

Come on; officials always make an assessment as to whether or not an offence matters; otherwise you'll get ARs on the opposite wing calling for penalties, when they have zero impact on play.

The mistake was in, maybe, obstructing the biggest whinger in the Premiership. It was his high pitched whine that made the officials look again

The officials certainly have more respect for the players than you do.

Posted: **Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:27 pm**

How long will it take for Saracens losing to stop being fun?

Posted: **Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:38 pm**

Itoje getting a turnover after landing on his forearms before going for the ball and being praised by Kay for the "perfect turnover" annoyed me, doubly so considering he followed up by criticising someone a minute later for being on their hands first...

Don't think our refs have handled the new approach well yet, compared to the NZ refs.

Posted: **Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:44 pm**

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:27 pm How long will it take for Saracens losing to stop being fun?

How long until you reach adulthood?

Posted: **Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:03 pm**

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:44 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:27 pm How long will it take for Saracens losing to stop being fun?

How long until you reach adulthood?

Think that settles who you are. Hi, Toga.

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:19 am**

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:38 pm Itoje getting a turnover after landing on his forearms before going for the ball and being praised by Kay for the "perfect turnover" annoyed me, doubly so considering he followed up by criticising someone a minute later for being on their hands first...

Don't think our refs have handled the new approach well yet, compared to the NZ refs.

Not sure about that last, ours have been much quicker to ignore the new requirements

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:45 am**

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:19 am
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:38 pm Itoje getting a turnover after landing on his forearms before going for the ball and being praised by Kay for the "perfect turnover" annoyed me, doubly so considering he followed up by criticising someone a minute later for being on their hands first...

Don't think our refs have handled the new approach well yet, compared to the NZ refs.
Not sure about that last, ours have been much quicker to ignore the new requirements

The last time there was an attempt to enforce the laws - straight feeds etc - I remember the refs in England gave it about 5 weeks before giving up.

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:42 pm**

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:45 am
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:19 am
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:38 pm Itoje getting a turnover after landing on his forearms before going for the ball and being praised by Kay for the "perfect turnover" annoyed me, doubly so considering he followed up by criticising someone a minute later for being on their hands first...

Don't think our refs have handled the new approach well yet, compared to the NZ refs.
Not sure about that last, ours have been much quicker to ignore the new requirements
The last time there was an attempt to enforce the laws - straight feeds etc - I remember the refs in England gave it about 5 weeks before giving up.

If at first you don't succeed quit!

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:55 pm**

Saints with multiple changes.

Mallinder and Haywood OUT. Naiyaravoro and Matavesi IN. Fish and Gibson on the bench.

Then Gibson is apparently out and Collins is on the bench (Gibson was a 6th forward).

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:11 pm**

Lovely strike move off the scrum.

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:19 pm**

This isn't a bad game so far, compared to what I've read about the weekend's other games anyway.

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:21 pm**

Oxbow wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:19 pm This isn't a bad game so far, compared to what I've read about the weekend's other games anyway.

I know I'm biased, but so far it's game of the weekend, though I didn't see Bath/irish.

edit - second try scored off the back of a scrum. I remember in our recent pomp we were lethal off scrums, nice to see.

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:29 pm**

And I know I'm biased, but that's high.

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:29 pm**

Dunno if that's high but definitely needs a second look.

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:30 pm**

Looks like he hits him on the shoulder and rides up? Clutching at straws because I don't want to see a red...

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:32 pm**

Definite yellow. Not the first time, it's something Feikitoa really needs to work on.

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:33 pm**

That steal from Willis was brilliant.

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:34 pm**

I’m wildly biased but Dingwall sinks as he lands otherwise it’s fine.

Watching in slow mo makes everything look worse.

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:36 pm**

Punter15 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:34 pm I’m wildly biased but Dingwall sinks as he lands otherwise it’s fine.

Watching in slow mo makes everything look worse.

As it was with force, it's still a yellow even with that I believe.

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:38 pm**

It's starting to become the Jack Willis show. So many positive incidents.

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:39 pm**

Think Willis has now become only the second player ever to get 30+ turnovers in a season. 37 I believe is the highest on record, I'm thinking he's on at least 31 now.

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:41 pm**

Amazing bit of volleyball to defend the pen kick to the corner by Bassett.

Raggs wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:39 pm Think Willis has now become only the second player ever to get 30+ turnovers in a season. 37 I believe is the highest on record, I'm thinking he's on at least 31 now.

I'm so happy he plays for us. Would dread seeing him in an opposition team sheet.

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:44 pm**

Pretty sure that was forward.

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:53 pm**

Best 40 minutes of the weekend
Wasps worth the lead!

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:59 pm**

SaintK wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:53 pm Best 40 minutes of the weekend
Wasps worth the lead!

It pains me, but I think if Saints had scored 2 tries, I'd not be feeling it would be unfair. Though big defense obviously leads to knock ons, just wonder if we're taking advantage of rust, rather than defending very well (if you see what I mean).

Wasps phase play hasn't looked that special, but our set piece strikes have been a joy to watch

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:27 pm**

Wasps turning over so much ball at the moment. Dogged defence.

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:29 pm**

A backrow with Lawes at 6 is struggling at the breakdown? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!

Posted: **Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:29 pm**

How on earth did Furbank get capped?

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