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Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:37 pm
by PCPhil
1). England forgotten how to play with all this kicking
2). Showing at the rucks. Wish more England forwards would stop standing off and slowing up the backline.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:37 pm
by tc27
We need halftime.
We eked out wins agaonst shit Celtic teams..we aren't that good though.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:37 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Shoulda gone for the lineout.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:38 pm
by JM2K6
It's so strange having a coach that's so desperate to reduce our attacking ability.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:42 pm
by PCPhil
That. Was. Pathetic.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:42 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:42 pm
by Longshanks
Great defence
France well up for this
Incredible
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:43 pm
by Yeeb
France did brill there
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:43 pm
by sockwithaticket
We are so braindead.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:43 pm
by JM2K6
When we moved it wider we were an inch from scoring so let's not do that again
Billy fucked that for Genge
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:43 pm
by PCPhil
Longshanks wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:42 pm
Great defence
France well up for this
Incredible
But there were so many times they could have gone to the backs. The only time they did was the wring time.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:43 pm
by Hal Jordan
White line stupidity as usual.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:43 pm
by PCPhil
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Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:43 pm
by Slick
Brilliant defence but is this really the best England can produce. I think they will still win this but it’s so turgid, dreadful to watch
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:43 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Oh. And Couilloud held Vunipola up over the line: Serin would have sh*t the bed.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:44 pm
by ASMO
4 man overlap completely ignored, deserve to lose, useless cunts
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:44 pm
by BnM
WTF god that was frustrating. it clearly wasn't working. Reminded me of the Borthwick era.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:45 pm
by sockwithaticket
Slick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:43 pm
Brilliant defence but
is this really the best England can produce. I think they will still win this but it’s so turgid, dreadful to watch
No, most of these guys play far more inventively for their clubs (low bar...), but it's apparently all Eddie seems willing to let them try.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:45 pm
by JM2K6
Slick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:43 pm
Brilliant defence but is this really the best England can produce. I think they will still win this but it’s so turgid, dreadful to watch
It's clearly not the best we can produce, but it's what Eddie wants us to do.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:46 pm
by JM2K6
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:45 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:43 pm
Brilliant defence but
is this really the best England can produce. I think they will still win this but it’s so turgid, dreadful to watch
No, most of these guys play far more inventively for their clubs (low bar...), but it's apparently all Eddie seems willing to let them try.
It's not a huge amount of time since we were playing good rugby with the same players.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:47 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Slick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:43 pm
Brilliant defence but is this really the best England can produce. I think they will still win this but it’s so turgid, dreadful to watch
Eng have already lost. Whatever the final score. This is France C.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:47 pm
by Hal Jordan
That French 6 looks a real raw boned big fucker.
As usual, when we can't dominate up front, we have nothing else.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:47 pm
by SaintK
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:47 pm
by Lemoentjie
Why do England play Farrell? He is not a very good player, except for decent place kicking. His defence is terrible (justice for Esterhuizen) and he can't direct an attack, and has no flair or vision. Do England need him because there is no other competent place kicker?
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:48 pm
by sockwithaticket
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:46 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:45 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:43 pm
Brilliant defence but
is this really the best England can produce. I think they will still win this but it’s so turgid, dreadful to watch
No, most of these guys play far more inventively for their clubs (low bar...), but it's apparently all Eddie seems willing to let them try.
It's not a huge amount of time since we were playing good rugby with the same players.
It feels like forever.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:48 pm
by Longshanks
You can knock England for keeping it with the forwards, but most defences would have yielded under that pressure
This is a proper game of rugby.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:48 pm
by Torquemada 1420
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:46 pm
It's not a huge amount of time since we were playing good rugby with the same players.
But you lost a few games and Jones gets all obsessive about that.
Well, we asked what would happen if Eng met a physical match and I guess we've seen the answer.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:50 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Longshanks wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:48 pm
You can knock England for keeping it with the forwards, but most defences would have yielded under that pressure
The is a proper game of rugby.
I should be fair and say although this is France C in Galthie's mind, there are a few players out there who should be in or are as good as the 1st choices.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:50 pm
by tc27
Not sure what we do from here with the tools we have.
They are getting outside our rush defence, returning our kicks well and matching our physicality and defence.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:50 pm
by sockwithaticket
Lemoentjie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:47 pm
Why do England play Farrell? He is not a very good player, except for decent place kicking. His defence is terrible (justice for Esterhuizen) and he can't direct an attack, and has no flair or vision. Do England need him because there is no other competent place kicker?
A question many of us ask!
When coaches praise him they usually bang on about his attitude and how he drives standards in training. Which makes him sound like a great cheerleader or assistant coach. His contributions on the field are rarely seem to be more than we could get out of someone else.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:51 pm
by ASMO
First half decent team they face , England fold like a cheap deck of cards
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:51 pm
by JM2K6
Lemoentjie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:47 pm
Why do England play Farrell? He is not a very good player, except for decent place kicking. His defence is terrible (justice for Esterhuizen) and he can't direct an attack, and has no flair or vision. Do England need him because there is no other competent place kicker?
We have three excellent goal kickers in Ford, Slade, and Daly. Farrell was dogshit at ten for a few games and has continued that form. At his best he makes good decisions, kicks brilliantly, and leads a ferocious defence. He's not often at his best.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:52 pm
by sockwithaticket
tc27 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:50 pm
Not sure what we do from here with the tools we have.
They are getting outside our rush defence, returning our kicks well and matching our physicality and defence.
The tools are fine, however Eddie seems to be trying to use screw drivers as spanners or hammers to tighten nuts.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:52 pm
by Slick
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:45 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:43 pm
Brilliant defence but is this really the best England can produce. I think they will still win this but it’s so turgid, dreadful to watch
It's clearly not the best we can produce, but it's what Eddie wants us to do.
Yup, really frustrating. Slade, May, Daley, Anthony whatsisname all excellent runners and we never see them
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:53 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Slick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:52 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:45 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:43 pm
Brilliant defence but is this really the best England can produce. I think they will still win this but it’s so turgid, dreadful to watch
It's clearly not the best we can produce, but it's what Eddie wants us to do.
Yup, really frustrating. Slade, May, Daley, Anthony whatsisname all excellent runners and we never see them
How do you suggest Eng bring them into the game with Youngs at SH?
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:53 pm
by JM2K6
Slick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:52 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:45 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:43 pm
Brilliant defence but is this really the best England can produce. I think they will still win this but it’s so turgid, dreadful to watch
It's clearly not the best we can produce, but it's what Eddie wants us to do.
Yup, really frustrating. Slade, May, Daley, Anthony whatsisname all excellent runners and we never see them
And loads of good ball carriers in the pack who are only there to set up box kicks or bosh from 5m out.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:54 pm
by Slick
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:53 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:52 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:45 pm
It's clearly not the best we can produce, but it's what Eddie wants us to do.
Yup, really frustrating. Slade, May, Daley, Anthony whatsisname all excellent runners and we never see them
And loads of good ball carriers in the pack who are only there to set up box kicks or bosh from 5m out.
Quite, a back line like that behind those forwards should be a dream
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:54 pm
by Hal Jordan
Even when the ball is loose on the floor Farrell tries to put his foot through it.
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:55 pm
by Torquemada 1420
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:53 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:52 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:45 pm
It's clearly not the best we can produce, but it's what Eddie wants us to do.
Yup, really frustrating. Slade, May, Daley, Anthony whatsisname all excellent runners and we never see them
And loads of good ball carriers in the pack who are only there to set up box kicks or bosh from 5m out.
Still doesn't answer the SH question. And Daley at FB....
Re: Weekend Match Threads Thread - 05/12/20
Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:57 pm
by Lemoentjie
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:50 pm
Lemoentjie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:47 pm
Why do England play Farrell? He is not a very good player, except for decent place kicking. His defence is terrible (justice for Esterhuizen) and he can't direct an attack, and has no flair or vision. Do England need him because there is no other competent place kicker?
A question many of us ask!
When coaches praise him they usually bang on about his attitude and how he drives standards in training. Which makes him sound like a great cheerleader or assistant coach. His contributions on the field are rarely seem to be more than we could get out of someone else.
Attitude shouldn't ever be an issue for international rugby players, nor training standards. Although in reality it may be different, perhaps Jones doesn't want to upset the balance
