NPR

Slick wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 7:59 pm

Tichtheid wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 7:35 pm I think Hollie has bottled it, there definitely seems to be a directive for refs to not give a red - that was as clear cut as it gets

Agree. With inactionman who wholeheartedly agrees with Holly, but that was a red

I really think she is a very good ref, but that was a red all day.

If it wasn't red, then what is?

As an aside, that Audi advert has to be the most fucking annoying advert ever

Stranger wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 8:02 pm If it wasn't red, then what is?

Beheading?

The Georgian Lyon winger should have made a meal of it (not that I'd blame him if he did as it was a massive headbutt) then it would have been a red. I know that makes rugby like football but if referees won't referee then that's what will happen.

ASMO wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 8:04 pm As an aside, that Audi advert has to be the most fucking annoying advert ever

Not as weird as the Lynx bottom half spray ad with the basketball bloke sniffing the other blokes cock and the woman sniffing his arse in the cinema.

Kawazaki wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 8:07 pm

ASMO wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 8:04 pm As an aside, that Audi advert has to be the most fucking annoying advert ever

Not as weird as the Lynx bottom half spray ad with the basketball bloke sniffing the other blokes cock and the woman sniffing his arse in the cinema.

Fuck me. For the first time in my life I am in agreement with Toga.

The drop goal is the one thing that Finn really can't do

The Underhill decision is not on one group of officials - this is the standard now. Find any possible reason to lower the sanction based on either degree of force or mitigation.

Back when it was the high tackle framework there would be a forensic examination of whether there was a significant change in height or in direction. Now as soon as a ref can see any deviation they are relieved they can avoid the red card.

topofthemoon wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 8:25 pm The Underhill decision is not on one group of officials - this is the standard now. Find any possible reason to lower the sanction based on either degree of force or mitigation.

Back when it was the high tackle framework there would be a forensic examination of whether there was a significant change in height or in direction. Now as soon as a ref can see any deviation they are relieved they can avoid the red card.

The current Officials will all be comfortably retired or dead when some lawyer has to explain to a Court how the IRB & Unions were absolutely committed to reducing dangerous head contact ......

Nice.

Spencer on the classic scrum half support line

Underhill is a machine

Ooofya, that is a good scrum from Bath

fishfoodie wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 8:27 pm

topofthemoon wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 8:25 pm The Underhill decision is not on one group of officials - this is the standard now. Find any possible reason to lower the sanction based on either degree of force or mitigation.

Back when it was the high tackle framework there would be a forensic examination of whether there was a significant change in height or in direction. Now as soon as a ref can see any deviation they are relieved they can avoid the red card.

The current Officials will all be comfortably retired or dead when some lawyer has to explain to a Court how the IRB & Unions were absolutely committed to reducing dangerous head contact ......

At least the players will not remember this farce

Jesus, Hooper really was useless wasn’t he?

Tichtheid wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 8:42 pm Underhill is a machine

Unbelievable player

Just a thing on player stats - Dayglo is listed as six four on Wiki, Robshaw as six two.

Standing side by side as pundits tonight, the Quins man is taller

Slick wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 9:30 pm

Tichtheid wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 8:42 pm Underhill is a machine

Unbelievable player

Yeah, I've long been a fan.

Punter15 wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 8:01 pm

Slick wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 7:59 pm

Tichtheid wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 7:35 pm I think Hollie has bottled it, there definitely seems to be a directive for refs to not give a red - that was as clear cut as it gets

Agree. With inactionman who wholeheartedly agrees with Holly, but that was a red

I really think she is a very good ref, but that was a red all day.

She is genuinely a terrific ref, but that was wrong.

At the same time I agree with TOTM, the refs have obviously been told to mitigate as much as possible.

Slick wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 9:31 pm

Punter15 wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 8:01 pm

Slick wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 7:59 pm

Agree. With inactionman who wholeheartedly agrees with Holly, but that was a red

I really think she is a very good ref, but that was a red all day.

She is genuinely a terrific ref, but that was wrong.

At the same time I agree with TOTM, the refs have obviously been told to mitigate as much as possible.

I wish the pundits had the bottle to say this, rather than blame the referee.

Tichtheid wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 9:34 pm

Slick wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 9:31 pm

Punter15 wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 8:01 pm

I really think she is a very good ref, but that was a red all day.

She is genuinely a terrific ref, but that was wrong.

At the same time I agree with TOTM, the refs have obviously been told to mitigate as much as possible.

I wish the pundits had the bottle to say this, rather than blame the referee.

Completely, it’s getting more like footie, they know why it’s happening but prefer to create the outrage.

On Underhill, I’d be taking him to Oz despite only playing a fraction of the season

Slick wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 9:38 pm

Tichtheid wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 9:34 pm

Slick wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 9:31 pm

She is genuinely a terrific ref, but that was wrong.

At the same time I agree with TOTM, the refs have obviously been told to mitigate as much as possible.

I wish the pundits had the bottle to say this, rather than blame the referee.

Completely, it’s getting more like footie, they know why it’s happening but prefer to create the outrage.

On Underhill, I’d be taking him to Oz despite only playing a fraction of the season

Underwood’s got a different level of power both in attack and defence. Very lucky boy tonight and I would be surprised if he wasn’t cited.

duke wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 9:44 pm

Slick wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 9:38 pm

Tichtheid wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 9:34 pm


I wish the pundits had the bottle to say this, rather than blame the referee.

Completely, it’s getting more like footie, they know why it’s happening but prefer to create the outrage.

On Underhill, I’d be taking him to Oz despite only playing a fraction of the season

Underwood’s got a different level of power both in attack and defence. Very lucky boy tonight and I would be surprised if he wasn’t cited.

He dropped his head like a bull running at another bull; that's incompatible with carrying out a tackle & he should be cited, & banned !

I like Hollie as a ref but that should have been red

Slick wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 9:38 pm

Tichtheid wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 9:34 pm

Slick wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 9:31 pm

She is genuinely a terrific ref, but that was wrong.

At the same time I agree with TOTM, the refs have obviously been told to mitigate as much as possible.

I wish the pundits had the bottle to say this, rather than blame the referee.

Completely, it’s getting more like footie, they know why it’s happening but prefer to create the outrage.

On Underhill, I’d be taking him to Oz despite only playing a fraction of the season

Tbh you have to factor in the commentator was Andy Goode, who makes his living by going viral for slating the ref just about every week.

Poor decision mind, though none of the officials seemed to think it was a red.

Fortunately given it was a one sided game it doesn’t really matter, Bath were the only team in it before and after that moment. Congrats to them, we can probably all agree that’s enough silverware for one year now