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Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:23 pm**

England hands in ruck? How did the ball get to the SA side?

Anyway, England managing to torpedo any decent field position.

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:23 pm**

Game needs more George Ford.

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:24 pm**

PCPhil wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:21 pm
ScarfaceClaw wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:16 pm Is Itoje still on the field?
Yes. Look for something very slow.

Very slow.

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:24 pm**

PCPhil wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:21 pm
ScarfaceClaw wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:16 pm Is Itoje still on the field?
Yes. Look for something very slow.

Very slow.

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:24 pm**

tc27 wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:22 pm Very very stupid from England

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:24 pm**

What a dreadful last several minutes from England.

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:25 pm**

Fuck me that's a really annoying 5 minutes

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:25 pm**

England.

You have the players.

You need the coach.

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:26 pm**

We haven't done much with the extra man.

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:26 pm**

sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:24 pm What a dreadful last several minutes from England.

Just aimless as a team and relying on individual attempts to make something happen.

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:27 pm**

sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:24 pm What a dreadful last several decades from England.

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:27 pm**

Thought they’d go for the kick there.

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:27 pm**

That seals it.

So fucking annoyed with England.
So many poor decisions in that last ten

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:27 pm**

Chilli2 wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:25 pm England.

You have the players.

You need the coach.

We don't have the players. We have pissed up the wall the potential we have with parochial and insular thinking.

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:28 pm**

Bring on Ford…

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:31 pm**

Chilli2 wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:02 pm
petej wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 6:41 pm
Chilli2 wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 6:38 pm

No Sir

This is going to be close.
Only if you keep playing at like 60% and don't use your actual 1st choice flyhalf.
Are you still unhappy?

Easy win by a South Africa team taking the piss and playing like it's a summer training session

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:32 pm**

PCPhil wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:27 pm
Chilli2 wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:25 pm England.

You have the players.

You need the coach.
We don't have the players. We have pissed up the wall the potential we have with parochial and insular thinking.

Watching wales Fiji last week made me wish we could just put their backline on instead

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:33 pm**

Felt like we could spend 30 minutes 5 metres from their line and still manage to concede a try. Multiple good positions and attacking opportunities butchered.

Cowan-;Dickie's darts aren't the most reliable, which doesn't help.

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:33 pm**

That score flattered England Steward,, Slade, JVP were a disgrace to the shirt Borthwick an absolute clown of a coach

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:35 pm**

Players aren't world class and haven't been for a while.
Keep getting told that our premiership is a great competition so exciting with high skill. You play what is in front of you. As soon as our best are put against the world's best, amazing, they don't break tackles and create great tries. Spooky that.

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:35 pm**

No one will convince me that Freeman or Lozowski or Northmore or Dingwall instead of Slade wouldn't be a huge upgrade in attack and defence

But I guess it'll have to be another Tigers player at most

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:36 pm**

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:31 pm
Chilli2 wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:02 pm
petej wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 6:41 pm
Only if you keep playing at like 60% and don't use your actual 1st choice flyhalf.
Are you still unhappy?
Easy win by a South Africa team taking the piss and playing like it's a summer training session

Exactly. Not sure why a relatively sane assessment means we are unhappy. I'm not unhappy. It was closer than expected but more due to SA efficiency. They never looked like they were going to lose.

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:36 pm**

Glad for that win but damn the boks are really not in the best form, so many mistakes. I think a break from the international game might do them all good after next week. This whole season has been very error driven for the most part. Just lucky we pulled out the wins in most those games. They seem to suffer their own form of WC hangover.
But just glad we are mostly winning this time around.

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:37 pm**

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:35 pm No one will convince me that Freeman or Lozowski or Northmore or Dingwall instead of Slade wouldn't be a huge upgrade in attack and defence

But I guess it'll have to be another Tigers player at most

The Dan Kelly clamour seems to have quietened down.

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:39 pm**

Springboks didn't played well but is just more composed and experienced then England.

Credit to England , at least they play a much better brand then in the past

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:39 pm**

Wtf was that

I don't think England have a plethora of world class players waiting to be unlocked, but this team looks like a rabble. The rugby has such imprecision and incohesion and lack of being able to do things at key moments, and basically is just reliant on individuals doing something off their own back at random moments in the match.

What will it take for Scabnose and Deputy Boxkick to fuck off.

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:39 pm**

Christ you know things are bad when Ugo is the guy refusing to accept lame platitudes from Lawes who sounds like he's still playing for Eddie Jones

"It's all about the world cup"

"We should be doing better with our players"

"They need more time"

Come the fuck on, this is so fucking shallow

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:40 pm**

inactionman wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:37 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:35 pm No one will convince me that Freeman or Lozowski or Northmore or Dingwall instead of Slade wouldn't be a huge upgrade in attack and defence

But I guess it'll have to be another Tigers player at most

The Dan Kelly clamour seems to have quietened down.

Mostly because he was injured for most of a season and hasn't looked great since coming back.

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:42 pm**

petej wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:40 pm
inactionman wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:37 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:35 pm No one will convince me that Freeman or Lozowski or Northmore or Dingwall instead of Slade wouldn't be a huge upgrade in attack and defence

But I guess it'll have to be another Tigers player at most

The Dan Kelly clamour seems to have quietened down.
Mostly because he was injured for most of a season and hasn't looked great since coming back.

I'm not advocating for him, more worried there is an England-qualified 12 option at Leicester.

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:43 pm**

el capitan wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:39 pm Wtf was that

I don't think England have a plethora of world class players waiting to be unlocked, but this team looks like a rabble. The rugby has such imprecision and incohesion and lack of being able to do things at key moments, and basically is just reliant on individuals doing something off their own back at random moments in the match.

What will it take for Scabnose and Deputy Boxkick to fuck off.

Losing to Scotland again to make it five times in a row?

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:44 pm**

George bigging up the performances of JvP and Steward...

Lawes extremely confident about England facing Ireland in Dublin and when pressed on it has absolutely nothing to back it up except blind faith and "they'll have something to prove"

They've had something to prove all fucking year mate

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:44 pm**

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:39 pm Christ you know things are bad when Ugo is the guy refusing to accept lame platitudes from Lawes who sounds like he's still playing for Eddie Jones

"It's all about the world cup"

"We should be doing better with our players"

"They need more time"

Come the fuck on, this is so fucking shallow

Lawes is to speaking what Borthwick is to coaching

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:45 pm**

In order

France
Ireland
Scotland
England (just)
Italy
Wales

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:47 pm**

inactionman wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:42 pm
petej wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:40 pm
inactionman wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:37 pm

The Dan Kelly clamour seems to have quietened down.
Mostly because he was injured for most of a season and hasn't looked great since coming back.
I'm not advocating for him, more worried there is an England-qualified 12 option at Leicester.

I would rather van poortfliet and steward get left at Tigers to keep them fresh. Scabnose, Coach box kick and defence coach leaky bucket can work their magic on other teams players.

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:47 pm**

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:44 pm George bigging up the performances of JvP and Steward...

Lawes extremely confident about England facing Ireland in Dublin and when pressed on it has absolutely nothing to back it up except blind faith and "they'll have something to prove"

They've had something to prove all fucking year mate

Lawes is one of my all-time favourite players, but he should be nowhere near a mic.

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:48 pm**

petej wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:43 pm
el capitan wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:39 pm Wtf was that

I don't think England have a plethora of world class players waiting to be unlocked, but this team looks like a rabble. The rugby has such imprecision and incohesion and lack of being able to do things at key moments, and basically is just reliant on individuals doing something off their own back at random moments in the match.

What will it take for Scabnose and Deputy Boxkick to fuck off.
Losing to Scotland again to make it five times in a row?

Losing to Italy for the 1st time in the 6N might do it

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:49 pm**

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:44 pm George bigging up the performances of JvP and Steward...

Lawes extremely confident about England facing Ireland in Dublin and when pressed on it has absolutely nothing to back it up except blind faith and "they'll have something to prove"

They've had something to prove all fucking year mate

Lawes retired too recently to have any value as a pundit. He's not going to bag his mates on TV.

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:49 pm**

petej wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:43 pm
el capitan wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:39 pm Wtf was that

I don't think England have a plethora of world class players waiting to be unlocked, but this team looks like a rabble. The rugby has such imprecision and incohesion and lack of being able to do things at key moments, and basically is just reliant on individuals doing something off their own back at random moments in the match.

What will it take for Scabnose and Deputy Boxkick to fuck off.
Losing to Scotland again to make it five times in a row?

Finn Russell must already be stroking himself at the thought of just how many passes he can get away on the outside of the England defensive line.

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:53 pm**

el capitan wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:49 pm
petej wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:43 pm
el capitan wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:39 pm Wtf was that

I don't think England have a plethora of world class players waiting to be unlocked, but this team looks like a rabble. The rugby has such imprecision and incohesion and lack of being able to do things at key moments, and basically is just reliant on individuals doing something off their own back at random moments in the match.

What will it take for Scabnose and Deputy Boxkick to fuck off.
Losing to Scotland again to make it five times in a row?
Finn Russell must already be stroking himself at the thought of just how many passes he can get away on the outside of the England defensive line.

Van Der merwe running into Slade's channel

Posted: **Sat Nov 16, 2024 8:03 pm**

Scotland have an extremely good midfield and a 10 who can create and exploit space like no one else when he feels like turning up. Which he almost always does against us. It will not be close.

The response to the recent losses was to bring in an extremely one dimensional fullback, parachute in a 9 who is some distance off convincing as an international, and to point blank refuse to examine the real problems. It's no surprise England kicked more - he picked a fullback just for the aerial game, a scrum half taught to kick everything - because it is the only thing he is comfortable with.

Never forget that he had to be convinced to move away from the dire rugby we were playing until after the last Scotland game, and the smart money has to be on his response to an embarrassing set of defeats being to go back to the only thing he knows.

He manages this side like he captained it. Blinkered, conservative, pedantic, doggedly loyal to the people he knows and trusts regardless of reality, and ultimately the face of a lost era in England rugby.

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