Rugby Championship Match Thread - Sat 2nd - SA v NZ / Arg v Aus

[sorCrer]

Wiese MOTM? You Klingons are easily pleased. He went up against a Puma team barely interested. AB will man-shame him, Pollsmoor style.

The best Boks were Etsebeth (yet again), Fassi (I admit I’m a new fan) and Fat Frans. Lood also quality.

Agree it’s nice to see no sign of Rassie in PE. Nienaber did fine on his own.

Rassie is on video analysis this week.

[FalseBayFC]

Wiese MOTM? You Klingons are easily pleased. He went up against a Puma team barely interested. AB will man-shame him, Pollsmoor style.

The best Boks were Etsebeth (yet again), Fassi (I admit I’m a new fan) and Fat Frans. Lood also quality.

Agree it’s nice to see no sign of Rassie in PE. Nienaber did fine on his own.

Rassie is on video analysis this week.

I thought I saw him on the stadium roof with binoculars and signaling flags.

[Sards]

“Although Aphelele trains at fullback, he is currently playing wing for us, which has a similar skill set to 15. We have just taken the decision-making role a little bit away from him. It’s not that he makes bad decisions, but it’s about getting him into the mix, allowing him to get used to the game, the physicality.

“He is taking it on. I love the attitude that he shows. I believe he will play many Test matches for South Africa at 15. He is a quality player and there is a bright future for him.”
Nienaber about Fassi

[Sards]

Wynona Louw clearly finished all her stock during the game and has dipped into the paint thinners:

Damian Willemse 7: Put in some good kicks and his chase was on point as well. Had a good game in his starting berth at fullback.

https://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/sprin ... 7c9391230f

I read today that he has been part of SARUs development program from school. The success story they want to sell. I think that explains his salary and position in the team.

[Kiwias]

Snecky my motm.

His passing was up to its usual clinically high standard but he ran more from the base tonight, meaning the defense were always in two minds.

[Ymx]

Snecky my motm.

His passing was up to its usual clinically high standard but he ran more from the base tonight, meaning the defense were always in two minds.

Yeah, he seemed to sub the box kick with some brilliant snipes.

[FalseBayFC]

Snecky my motm.

His passing was up to its usual clinically high standard but he ran more from the base tonight, meaning the defense were always in two minds.

Yeah, he seemed to sub the box kick with some brilliant snipes.

He's now one of the ATG number 9s. More so because he's showing his brilliance in an AB team that is a good one but nowhere near the standard of the world cup winning ones. Hard to think of a better scrumhalf in the pro era. Maybe Fourie du Preez imo.

[Gumboot]

His passing was up to its usual clinically high standard but he ran more from the base tonight, meaning the defense were always in two minds.

Yeah, he seemed to sub the box kick with some brilliant snipes.

He's now one of the ATG number 9s. More so because he's showing his brilliance in an AB team that is a good one but nowhere near the standard of the world cup winning ones. Hard to think of a better scrumhalf in the pro era. Maybe Fourie du Preez imo.

Yep, he's a sensational talent, and he's been incredibly consistent over a test career spanning nigh on a decade. It's easy to see why Hansen selected him in 2012 as the player to build his new team and game plan around.

[Gumboot]

I'm still not sure what to make of Papalii. He does so much right, covering acres of ground at a good clip and making tons of tackles. BUT...he missed two important tackles in the first half. Koroibete waltzed right past him and deep into our 22 in the lead-up to Kellaway's early try, then he missed McDermott under our posts right on half time - had him covered but barely laid a finger on him.

Those were tackles an All Blacks openside should not miss.

[Ymx]

I'm still not sure what to make of Papalii. He does so much right, covering acres of ground at a good clip and making tons of tackles. BUT...he missed two important tackles in the first half. Koroibete waltzed right past him and deep into our 22 in the lead-up to Kellaway's early try, then he missed McDermott under our posts right on half time - had him covered but barely laid a finger on him.

Those were tackles an All Blacks openside should not miss.

I was thinking the exact same thing. I was hoping for a lot more from him.

[Ymx]

I’d say he’s just making it easier for Foster to slot Sam Cane back in there.

[FalseBayFC]

I’d say he’s just making it easier for Foster to slot Sam Cane back in there.

I'm a fan of Sam Cane but not sure if he's worth investing more games in. Broken neck, concussions and so on. He puts his body on the line just like Schalk Burger did and is getting similar injuries to Schalk. Hats off to him if he can come back and cement his place in the team.

[Ymx]

I’d say he’s just making it easier for Foster to slot Sam Cane back in there.

I'm a fan of Sam Cane but not sure if he's worth investing more games in. Broken neck, concussions and so on. He puts his body on the line just like Schalk Burger did and is getting similar injuries to Schalk. Hats off to him if he can come back and cement his place in the team.

Well, he had a pretty good last season. But more importantly he’s still the All black captain. Although he didn’t do too great as captain. Many of us saying it was the wrong Sam last year. Foster picked the captain straight after the World Cup. Whitelock was expected to be unavailable (but COVID happened), and Fozzie had already decided.

Now it’s looking pretty natural for Sam W in this spot, and looks to be owning the responsibility. So it’s going to lead to awkward decisions.

[Gumboot]

The decision's already been made, and I don't see any good reason to revisit it. Yes, Whitelock's been an adequate fill-in skipper, but Cane's still the captain and when he's ready he slots straight back into his rightful starting position.

[assfly]

I was pretty happy with the performance. It was a good Argentina side, but we never gave them an inch.

Good game from Reinarch. Excellent kicking from him and great try.
Outstanding from Fassi, that kid needs to see more ball. Let's hope he gets a run at 15 soon.
Absolute shocker from Willemse. Can we finally accept he's not a fullback? Give him a run at 12 were his inability to pass will be less noticed.
Midfield did their jobs but not that impressed. DdA and Am a hard act to follow.
Glad Weise finally put in the performance we've been waiting for. Although still keen to see Dan du Preez have run too.

[average joe]

Fok but Elton is kak. How he got to this level is beyond me.

[Sards]

I was pretty happy with the performance. It was a good Argentina side, but we never gave them an inch.

Good game from Reinarch. Excellent kicking from him and great try.
Outstanding from Fassi, that kid needs to see more ball. Let's hope he gets a run at 15 soon.
Absolute shocker from Willemse. Can we finally accept he's not a fullback? Give him a run at 12 were his inability to pass will be less noticed.
Midfield did their jobs but not that impressed. DdA and Am a hard act to follow.
Glad Weise finally put in the performance we've been waiting for. Although still keen to see Dan du Preez have run too.

Absolute shocker from Willemse. Can we finally accept he's not a fullback? Give him a run at 12 were his inability to pass will be less noticed.

Doesn't cut it at 10......absolutely no confidence in him there...
Doesn't cut it at 15......
Untested at 12.............

How can this kid have a RWC winners medal , BILs Winners medal....when he is cover for all those positions....Management should tell him to be satisfied with his medals and go play 12 for WP......
If I can accept Bosch didn't work out so should WP supporters re Willemse.....look....I understand that SARU have a vested interest in him as they are covering half his salary....and probably want a return....but he has got enough Freebees now and can just vokkof.

[handyman]

Foster should have cemented his position with this record win. Just in time, isn't his contract near it's end?

[Ymx]

Foster should have cemented his position with this record win. Just in time, isn't his contract near it's end?

Don’t say that you evil evil man.

[Certain Navigator]

The decision's already been made, and I don't see any good reason to revisit it. Yes, Whitelock's been an adequate fill-in skipper, but Cane's still the captain and when he's ready he slots straight back into his rightful starting position.

At 7, not necessarily as captain.

[FalseBayFC]

Foster should have cemented his position with this record win. Just in time, isn't his contract near it's end?

Don’t say that you evil evil man.

Gatland for All Black coach!

[Gumboot]

The decision's already been made, and I don't see any good reason to revisit it. Yes, Whitelock's been an adequate fill-in skipper, but Cane's still the captain and when he's ready he slots straight back into his rightful starting position.

At 7, not necessarily as captain.

I don't think there's much chance of Cane losing the captaincy while Foster's coach, unless he's perma-crocked. And that's as it should be, imho. He played magnificently last year, leading from the front in every test. The team itself mostly underperformed, but imagine him back in charge of this year's model. Yes, please.

[OomStruisbaai]

Look like onle me and Oom Enz as MooLoo supporters like Foster.

He have done nothing wrong so far. Unlike Rassie.

[Chilli]

Foster should have cemented his position with this record win. Just in time, isn't his contract near it's end?

He has a super record.
Why would they replace him?

[handyman]

Foster should have cemented his position with this record win. Just in time, isn't his contract near it's end?

He has a super record.
Why would they replace him?

Agreed. He has a chance soon to test his team against the number 1 ranked team, the 3 time and current RWC champions, slayer of the BIL's on consecutive occasions and current Rugby Championship champions.

[Sandstorm]

Foster should have cemented his position with this record win. Just in time, isn't his contract near it's end?

He has a super record.
Why would they replace him?

Agreed. He has a chance soon to test his team against the number 1 ranked team, the 3 time and current RWC champions, slayer of the BIL's on consecutive occasions and current Rugby Championship champions.

Plus he can pop down the road and speak direct to the Kiwi refs for 62 minutes. Much easier for him.

[OomStruisbaai]

Karl Dickson (England) will be the man handling the whistle, with South Africans Marius van der Westhuizen and AJ Jacobs performing the assistant referee duties, while Tom Foley (England) will serve as the TMO.
Springbok team to face Argentina at Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium:
15 – Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz) – 65 caps, 60 pts (12t)
14 – Cheslin Kolbe (Toulouse) – 17 caps, 45 pts (9t)
13 – Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks) – 18 caps, 20 pts (4t)
12 – Damian de Allende (Munster) – 50 caps, 30 pts (6t)
11 – Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks) – 17 caps, 75 pts (15t)
10 – Handré Pollard (vice-captain, Montpellier) – 52 caps, 502 pts (6t, 80c, 100p, 4d)
9 – Cobus Reinach (Montpellier) – 17 caps, 40pts (8t)
8 – Jasper Wiese (Leicester Tigers) – 4 caps, 0 pts
7 – Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 43 caps, 5pts (1t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain, Cell C Sharks) – 55 caps, 30 pts (6t)
5 – Lood de Jager (Sale Sharks) – 49 caps, 25 pts (5t)
4 – Marvin Orie (DHL Stormers) – 5 caps, 0 pts
3 – Thomas du Toit (Cell C Sharks, 12 caps, 0 pts)
2 – Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 38 caps, 30 pts (6t)
1 – Trevor Nyakane (Vodacom Bulls) – 47 caps, 5 pts (1t)
Replacements:
16 – Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers) – 40 caps, 40 pts (8t)
17 – Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers) – 51 caps, 5pts (1t)
18 – Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers) – 42 caps, 5pts (1t)
19 – Nicolaas van Rensburg (Montpellier) – uncapped
20 – Kwagga Smith (Yamaha Júbilo) – 11 caps, 5 pts (1t)
21 – Dan du Preez (Sale Sharks) – 5 caps, 0 pts
22 – Jaden Hendrikse (Cell C Sharks) – 1 cap, 5 pts (1t)
23 – Damian Willemse (DHL Stormers) – 11 caps, 5pts (1t)
Springbok record against Argentina:
Played 31; Won 27, Lost 3, Drawn 1; Points for 1090, Points against 606; Tries scored 128, Tries conceded 56; Highest score 73 pts, Biggest win 60 pts; Win %: 87%.
Milestones:
Cheslin Kolbe needs one more try to earn his 10th career try and 50 points in Test matches.
Lood de Jager will play in his 50th Test match for South Africa.
Marvin Orie will start in his first Test for the Springboks.
Nicolaas Janse van Rensburg is the only uncapped player in the match-day squad.
Miscellaneous:
The total Test caps for the Springbok starting line-up is
There are 236 caps in the backline with 253 caps amongst the forwards. On the bench there are a further 161
The average caps per player in the backline are 33 the forwards 31 while the players on the bench average 20.

[Sards]

Karl Dickson (England) will be the man handling the whistle, with South Africans Marius van der Westhuizen and AJ Jacobs performing the assistant referee duties, while Tom Foley (England) will serve as the TMO.
Springbok team to face Argentina at Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium:
15 – Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz) – 65 caps, 60 pts (12t)
14 – Cheslin Kolbe (Toulouse) – 17 caps, 45 pts (9t)
13 – Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks) – 18 caps, 20 pts (4t)
12 – Damian de Allende (Munster) – 50 caps, 30 pts (6t)
11 – Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks) – 17 caps, 75 pts (15t)
10 – Handré Pollard (vice-captain, Montpellier) – 52 caps, 502 pts (6t, 80c, 100p, 4d)
9 – Cobus Reinach (Montpellier) – 17 caps, 40pts (8t)
8 – Jasper Wiese (Leicester Tigers) – 4 caps, 0 pts
7 – Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 43 caps, 5pts (1t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain, Cell C Sharks) – 55 caps, 30 pts (6t)
5 – Lood de Jager (Sale Sharks) – 49 caps, 25 pts (5t)
4 – Marvin Orie (DHL Stormers) – 5 caps, 0 pts
3 – Thomas du Toit (Cell C Sharks, 12 caps, 0 pts)
2 – Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 38 caps, 30 pts (6t)
1 – Trevor Nyakane (Vodacom Bulls) – 47 caps, 5 pts (1t)
Replacements:
16 – Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers) – 40 caps, 40 pts (8t)
17 – Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers) – 51 caps, 5pts (1t)
18 – Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers) – 42 caps, 5pts (1t)
19 – Nicolaas van Rensburg (Montpellier) – uncapped
20 – Kwagga Smith (Yamaha Júbilo) – 11 caps, 5 pts (1t)
21 – Dan du Preez (Sale Sharks) – 5 caps, 0 pts
22 – Jaden Hendrikse (Cell C Sharks) – 1 cap, 5 pts (1t)
23 – Damian Willemse (DHL Stormers) – 11 caps, 5pts (1t)
Springbok record against Argentina:
Played 31; Won 27, Lost 3, Drawn 1; Points for 1090, Points against 606; Tries scored 128, Tries conceded 56; Highest score 73 pts, Biggest win 60 pts; Win %: 87%.
Milestones:
Cheslin Kolbe needs one more try to earn his 10th career try and 50 points in Test matches.
Lood de Jager will play in his 50th Test match for South Africa.
Marvin Orie will start in his first Test for the Springboks.
Nicolaas Janse van Rensburg is the only uncapped player in the match-day squad.
Miscellaneous:
The total Test caps for the Springbok starting line-up is
There are 236 caps in the backline with 253 caps amongst the forwards. On the bench there are a further 161
The average caps per player in the backline are 33 the forwards 31 while the players on the bench average 20.

Willemse can vokkof
Fassi deserves a bench at least. Would love to see him match Mapimpi with tries in every start

[assfly]

That's a blerrie strong team. Glad to see some fringe players getting a run.

[Sards]

That's a blerrie strong team. Glad to see some fringe players getting a run.

Definitely. Nice to see Jayden recognized

[OomStruisbaai]

Karl Dickson (England) will be the man handling the whistle, with South Africans Marius van der Westhuizen and AJ Jacobs performing the assistant referee duties, while Tom Foley (England) will serve as the TMO.
Springbok team to face Argentina at Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium:
15 – Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz) – 65 caps, 60 pts (12t)
14 – Cheslin Kolbe (Toulouse) – 17 caps, 45 pts (9t)
13 – Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks) – 18 caps, 20 pts (4t)
12 – Damian de Allende (Munster) – 50 caps, 30 pts (6t)
11 – Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks) – 17 caps, 75 pts (15t)
10 – Handré Pollard (vice-captain, Montpellier) – 52 caps, 502 pts (6t, 80c, 100p, 4d)
9 – Cobus Reinach (Montpellier) – 17 caps, 40pts (8t)
8 – Jasper Wiese (Leicester Tigers) – 4 caps, 0 pts
7 – Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 43 caps, 5pts (1t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain, Cell C Sharks) – 55 caps, 30 pts (6t)
5 – Lood de Jager (Sale Sharks) – 49 caps, 25 pts (5t)
4 – Marvin Orie (DHL Stormers) – 5 caps, 0 pts
3 – Thomas du Toit (Cell C Sharks, 12 caps, 0 pts)
2 – Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 38 caps, 30 pts (6t)
1 – Trevor Nyakane (Vodacom Bulls) – 47 caps, 5 pts (1t)
Replacements:
16 – Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers) – 40 caps, 40 pts (8t)
17 – Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers) – 51 caps, 5pts (1t)
18 – Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers) – 42 caps, 5pts (1t)
19 – Nicolaas van Rensburg (Montpellier) – uncapped
20 – Kwagga Smith (Yamaha Júbilo) – 11 caps, 5 pts (1t)
21 – Dan du Preez (Sale Sharks) – 5 caps, 0 pts
22 – Jaden Hendrikse (Cell C Sharks) – 1 cap, 5 pts (1t)
23 – Damian Willemse (DHL Stormers) – 11 caps, 5pts (1t)
Springbok record against Argentina:
Played 31; Won 27, Lost 3, Drawn 1; Points for 1090, Points against 606; Tries scored 128, Tries conceded 56; Highest score 73 pts, Biggest win 60 pts; Win %: 87%.
Milestones:
Cheslin Kolbe needs one more try to earn his 10th career try and 50 points in Test matches.
Lood de Jager will play in his 50th Test match for South Africa.
Marvin Orie will start in his first Test for the Springboks.
Nicolaas Janse van Rensburg is the only uncapped player in the match-day squad.
Miscellaneous:
The total Test caps for the Springbok starting line-up is
There are 236 caps in the backline with 253 caps amongst the forwards. On the bench there are a further 161
The average caps per player in the backline are 33 the forwards 31 while the players on the bench average 20.

Willemse can vokkof
Fassi deserves a bench at least

Fassi will be great in midfield.

[Sards]

Karl Dickson (England) will be the man handling the whistle, with South Africans Marius van der Westhuizen and AJ Jacobs performing the assistant referee duties, while Tom Foley (England) will serve as the TMO.
Springbok team to face Argentina at Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium:
15 – Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz) – 65 caps, 60 pts (12t)
14 – Cheslin Kolbe (Toulouse) – 17 caps, 45 pts (9t)
13 – Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks) – 18 caps, 20 pts (4t)
12 – Damian de Allende (Munster) – 50 caps, 30 pts (6t)
11 – Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks) – 17 caps, 75 pts (15t)
10 – Handré Pollard (vice-captain, Montpellier) – 52 caps, 502 pts (6t, 80c, 100p, 4d)
9 – Cobus Reinach (Montpellier) – 17 caps, 40pts (8t)
8 – Jasper Wiese (Leicester Tigers) – 4 caps, 0 pts
7 – Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 43 caps, 5pts (1t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain, Cell C Sharks) – 55 caps, 30 pts (6t)
5 – Lood de Jager (Sale Sharks) – 49 caps, 25 pts (5t)
4 – Marvin Orie (DHL Stormers) – 5 caps, 0 pts
3 – Thomas du Toit (Cell C Sharks, 12 caps, 0 pts)
2 – Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 38 caps, 30 pts (6t)
1 – Trevor Nyakane (Vodacom Bulls) – 47 caps, 5 pts (1t)
Replacements:
16 – Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers) – 40 caps, 40 pts (8t)
17 – Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers) – 51 caps, 5pts (1t)
18 – Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers) – 42 caps, 5pts (1t)
19 – Nicolaas van Rensburg (Montpellier) – uncapped
20 – Kwagga Smith (Yamaha Júbilo) – 11 caps, 5 pts (1t)
21 – Dan du Preez (Sale Sharks) – 5 caps, 0 pts
22 – Jaden Hendrikse (Cell C Sharks) – 1 cap, 5 pts (1t)
23 – Damian Willemse (DHL Stormers) – 11 caps, 5pts (1t)
Springbok record against Argentina:
Played 31; Won 27, Lost 3, Drawn 1; Points for 1090, Points against 606; Tries scored 128, Tries conceded 56; Highest score 73 pts, Biggest win 60 pts; Win %: 87%.
Milestones:
Cheslin Kolbe needs one more try to earn his 10th career try and 50 points in Test matches.
Lood de Jager will play in his 50th Test match for South Africa.
Marvin Orie will start in his first Test for the Springboks.
Nicolaas Janse van Rensburg is the only uncapped player in the match-day squad.
Miscellaneous:
The total Test caps for the Springbok starting line-up is
There are 236 caps in the backline with 253 caps amongst the forwards. On the bench there are a further 161
The average caps per player in the backline are 33 the forwards 31 while the players on the bench average 20.

Willemse can vokkof
Fassi deserves a bench at least

Fassi will be great in midfield.

Guess what....he played 12 at school dude....now what have you got.......10.......

[OomStruisbaai]

Hope Thomas Tank can stand against the Puma scrum.

[Sards]

Damn....Kolbe only has 9 Tries..

[OomStruisbaai]

Willemse can vokkof
Fassi deserves a bench at least

Fassi will be great in midfield.

Guess what....he played 12 at school dude....now what have you got.......10.......

You are so vokken one eyed. Last time I reply to your kak.

The bench is 6/2

Frans Steyn would have been a better replacement for Willemse.

[Big Nipper]

Fassi will be great in midfield.

Guess what....he played 12 at school dude....now what have you got.......10.......

You are so vokken one eyed. Last time I reply to your kak.

The bench is 6/2

Frans Steyn would have been a better replacement for Willemse.

He is probably just trolling. Expecting a youngster to play in the centers in an international after he last played in that position against school kids is just too dumb for it to not be trolling

[Sards]

Guess what....he played 12 at school dude....now what have you got.......10.......

You are so vokken one eyed. Last time I reply to your kak.

The bench is 6/2

Frans Steyn would have been a better replacement for Willemse.

He is probably just trolling. Expecting a youngster to play in the centers in an international after he last played in that position against school kids is just too dumb for it to not be trolling

Fassi is a natural athlete. The only backline position he wouldn't excel at given the chance is scrumhalf. Imagine bending from his height. I have had my say and now am done..

As much as I wanted a younger Frans to get more opportunities I think this older version should let the youngsters get a chance

[Chilli]

I know that this will cause the mocker gods to punish me but.....

[handyman]

I know that this will cause the mocker gods to punish me but.....

I see production of the Lord of the Rings series have been moved to England

[Sandstorm]

Still the donkey Wiese at 8. Useless ass.