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Hal Jordan wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:45 pm On a more positive note, Trump's last stab at the environment, to auction off oil drilling rights in Alaska"s Artic National Wildlife Refuge, was a massive failure. Original auction was for 1.56m acres, which got cut by 457,000 acres, and the sole bidder was an Alaska state agency, so it essentially bought its own product. For $14m, they were hoping to raise $1.8bn.

And, of course, the Court challenge by sane people, plus Biden is against development in the Refuge.

Sandstorm wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:49 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:45 pm On a more positive note, Trump's last stab at the environment, to auction off oil drilling rights in Alaska"s Artic National Wildlife Refuge, was a massive failure. Original auction was for 1.56m acres, which got cut by 457,000 acres, and the sole bidder was an Alaska state agency, so it essentially bought its own product. For $14m, they were hoping to raise $1.8bn.

And, of course, the Court challenge by sane people, plus Biden is against development in the Refuge.

Donny the property tycoon

Margin__Walker wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:41 pm Oops

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:29 pm Question is, does the US Union survive the next few years? What happened was disgusting and is clearly supported by a not insignificant chunk of Americans, I would bet concentrated in some areas. The Republicans will cry bloody murder at everything the Dems do in government. Clearly the coastal types and the middle already have contempt for each other. Can this carry on?

Uncle fester wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:05 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:29 pm Question is, does the US Union survive the next few years? What happened was disgusting and is clearly supported by a not insignificant chunk of Americans, I would bet concentrated in some areas. The Republicans will cry bloody murder at everything the Dems do in government. Clearly the coastal types and the middle already have contempt for each other. Can this carry on?

If only it were that neat geographically. It's urban versus rural.

GogLais wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 4:02 pm

Raggs wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:31 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:29 pm Question is, does the US Union survive the next few years? What happened was disgusting and is clearly supported by a not insignificant chunk of Americans, I would bet concentrated in some areas. The Republicans will cry bloody murder at everything the Dems do in government. Clearly the coastal types and the middle already have contempt for each other. Can this carry on?

Split in two, or split into many states?

The Governor (?) of Texas made a comment on those lines a few weeks ago. Would they have a plebiscite in each state to decide which nation to join? That would be entertaining. Like the partition of India but with more guns.

Uncle fester wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:15 pm

GogLais wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 4:02 pm

Raggs wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:31 pm

Split in two, or split into many states?

The Governor (?) of Texas made a comment on those lines a few weeks ago. Would they have a plebiscite in each state to decide which nation to join? That would be entertaining. Like the partition of India but with more guns.

Mississippi
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... epublican/

GogLais wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:45 pm

Uncle fester wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:15 pm

GogLais wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 4:02 pm

The Governor (?) of Texas made a comment on those lines a few weeks ago. Would they have a plebiscite in each state to decide which nation to join? That would be entertaining. Like the partition of India but with more guns.

Mississippi
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... epublican/

The one I was thinking of was Allen West, Rep chairman in Texas. Back in December he suggested a union of law-abiding states that will abide by the constitution.

sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:53 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:41 pm Oops

What an absolute mug.

So many of these far right, white supremacist types are their very own counter-argument: idiots who are physically far from even being average, let alone superior, specimens.

Uncle fester wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:05 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:29 pm Question is, does the US Union survive the next few years? What happened was disgusting and is clearly supported by a not insignificant chunk of Americans, I would bet concentrated in some areas. The Republicans will cry bloody murder at everything the Dems do in government. Clearly the coastal types and the middle already have contempt for each other. Can this carry on?

If only it were that neat geographically. It's urban versus rural.

mat the expat wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:13 pm

Uncle fester wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:05 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:29 pm Question is, does the US Union survive the next few years? What happened was disgusting and is clearly supported by a not insignificant chunk of Americans, I would bet concentrated in some areas. The Republicans will cry bloody murder at everything the Dems do in government. Clearly the coastal types and the middle already have contempt for each other. Can this carry on?

If only it were that neat geographically. It's urban versus rural.

You have to love good Sci Fi authors - they have been predicting a Coastal Urban vs Christendom Rural split in the US for decades. It doesn't look like Sci Fi now...

Re the Police - the lone guy with the Asp should have stood his ground at the top of the stairs and used it to hold them - he was on the radio for backup. The real failure was not sending a group to back him up - a squad of 4 more with shields could have held that stairwell for ages.

Another part of the explanation is easier to discern. The reddest states on that map at the top—Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, New Mexico, Maine—have exceptionally high poverty rates and thus receive disproportionately large shares of federal dollars. Through a variety of social programs, the federal government disburses hundreds of billions of dollars each year to maintain a “safety net” intended to help the neediest among us. Consider, for example, the percentage of each state’s residents who get “food stamps” through the federal government’s SNAP program.

fishfoodie wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:36 pm

mat the expat wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:13 pm

Uncle fester wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:05 pm

If only it were that neat geographically. It's urban versus rural.

You have to love good Sci Fi authors - they have been predicting a Coastal Urban vs Christendom Rural split in the US for decades. It doesn't look like Sci Fi now...

Re the Police - the lone guy with the Asp should have stood his ground at the top of the stairs and used it to hold them - he was on the radio for backup. The real failure was not sending a group to back him up - a squad of 4 more with shields could have held that stairwell for ages.

There are about 500 people I'd blame before I'd blame the one guy with 15 rounds & hundreds of people running at him; & I'd start with everyone of the cunts in the White House; & after them the GOP, & then the top level of DoJ, etc, etc, etc

Margin__Walker wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:20 pm Let down by his training? What was he meant to do there other than start emptying a magazine into the crowd?

I thought he did fine delaying them for about as long as he could whilst giving ground.

Margin__Walker wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:31 pm Righto. I'll bow to your martial arts expertise, but I still have a sneaky suspicion that he have got his head caved in after that pause if he started laying into them with the asp .

Jb1981 wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:35 am One of the injured police officers from the Capitol had died.

Not_Couch wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:04 am This all reeks of 911 again, it's now the Democrats turn for

Problem, Reaction, Solution.


Order comes out of chaos


Trump is just the fall guy, I don't believe in the mainstream media one bit

Slick wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:17 am

Not_Couch wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:04 am This all reeks of 911 again, it's now the Democrats turn for

Problem, Reaction, Solution.


Order comes out of chaos


Trump is just the fall guy, I don't believe in the mainstream media one bit

At last, some sensible commentary

mat the expat wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:27 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:20 pm Let down by his training? What was he meant to do there other than start emptying a magazine into the crowd?

I thought he did fine delaying them for about as long as he could whilst giving ground.

He should never have been in a position of being on his own - whoever was directing the "defence" was useless.

In the footage I saw, he could have easily laid into the crowd with the asp and given them pause. It's the very basic application of a baton in defence - likely he wasn't trained properly in it's use.

Don't forget, this building was designed when government buildings were still being attacked - it is full of natural choke-points for defence.

Chilli wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:47 am

Jb1981 wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:35 am One of the injured police officers from the Capitol had died.

Wow!
There should be very serious consequences now.

RIP!

fishfoodie wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:39 am

Chilli wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:47 am

Jb1981 wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:35 am One of the injured police officers from the Capitol had died.

Wow!
There should be very serious consequences now.

RIP!

Yep; no pardons getting handed out now; & you can probably add on 5 years to every sentence.

And 1 guest wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:10 am Trump will pardon himself and hang his stormtroopers out to dry.

mat the expat wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:38 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:31 pm Righto. I'll bow to your martial arts expertise, but I still have a sneaky suspicion that he have got his head caved in after that pause if he started laying into them with the asp .

That's my point - fear is the driver in mob situations. The bit where he was at the top of the stairs was the crux. If he's have laid out that twat in the hat who was trying to intimidate him, he'd have a greater chance of holding them back.

Of course, it's a very fluid situation and I wasn't there, I'm just outlining the methodology. Once he gave up the stairwell, it was over without reinforcement

I have done some riot shield training with a mate who is in a Prison response team - they use the "Roman" shield tactic - once you take out one you push forward and use the bottom rim to smash them a few times on the way through. The following line uses their boots in the same way

fishfoodie wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:37 pm

Jock42 wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:26 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:06 pm woman protestor shot in the neck; doesn't look good, but she's in hospital now.

I won't repost the video.

She will be pronounced dead. Not often someone in a pre-hospital traumatic arrest survives.

Being reported that she has died.

You apparently saw the video of her being brought to the ambulance, while having CPR administered; there's another video of the shooting & the immediate aftermath; & I didn't post it; & was surprised that a respectable media organization did post it; because it was the last thing any family of hers should have seen.