President Trump and US politics catchall

[Margin__Walker]

Oops

[Oxbow]

"He'll have to go back to the Shire now" in the comments made me chuckle.

[Sandstorm]

On a more positive note, Trump's last stab at the environment, to auction off oil drilling rights in Alaska"s Artic National Wildlife Refuge, was a massive failure. Original auction was for 1.56m acres, which got cut by 457,000 acres, and the sole bidder was an Alaska state agency, so it essentially bought its own product. For $14m, they were hoping to raise $1.8bn.

And, of course, the Court challenge by sane people, plus Biden is against development in the Refuge.

Donny the property tycoon

[Hal Jordan]

On a more positive note, Trump's last stab at the environment, to auction off oil drilling rights in Alaska"s Artic National Wildlife Refuge, was a massive failure. Original auction was for 1.56m acres, which got cut by 457,000 acres, and the sole bidder was an Alaska state agency, so it essentially bought its own product. For $14m, they were hoping to raise $1.8bn.

And, of course, the Court challenge by sane people, plus Biden is against development in the Refuge.

Donny the property tycoon

I, for one, am so sick of all the winning.

[sockwithaticket]

Oops

What an absolute mug.

So many of these far right, white supremacist types are their very own counter-argument: idiots who are physically far from even being average, let alone superior, specimens.

[Uncle fester]

Question is, does the US Union survive the next few years? What happened was disgusting and is clearly supported by a not insignificant chunk of Americans, I would bet concentrated in some areas. The Republicans will cry bloody murder at everything the Dems do in government. Clearly the coastal types and the middle already have contempt for each other. Can this carry on?

If only it were that neat geographically. It's urban versus rural.

[GogLais]

Question is, does the US Union survive the next few years? What happened was disgusting and is clearly supported by a not insignificant chunk of Americans, I would bet concentrated in some areas. The Republicans will cry bloody murder at everything the Dems do in government. Clearly the coastal types and the middle already have contempt for each other. Can this carry on?

If only it were that neat geographically. It's urban versus rural.

We'd have New England back wouldn't we?

[Rinkals]

[Uncle fester]

Question is, does the US Union survive the next few years? What happened was disgusting and is clearly supported by a not insignificant chunk of Americans, I would bet concentrated in some areas. The Republicans will cry bloody murder at everything the Dems do in government. Clearly the coastal types and the middle already have contempt for each other. Can this carry on?

Split in two, or split into many states?

The Governor (?) of Texas made a comment on those lines a few weeks ago. Would they have a plebiscite in each state to decide which nation to join? That would be entertaining. Like the partition of India but with more guns.

Mississippi
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... epublican/

[Rinkals]

The NYT is apparently suggesting (behind a paywall) that Trump is planning to pardon himself.

He'd better hurry up on that, then: impeachment or the 25th may spike his guns.

[Edit]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 1610050999

[sturginho]

Noted terrorist and lectern thief Via Getty is on Twitter:

[GogLais]

Split in two, or split into many states?

The Governor (?) of Texas made a comment on those lines a few weeks ago. Would they have a plebiscite in each state to decide which nation to join? That would be entertaining. Like the partition of India but with more guns.

Mississippi
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... epublican/

The one I was thinking of was Allen West, Rep chairman in Texas. Back in December he suggested a union of law-abiding states that will abide by the constitution.

[fishfoodie]

The Governor (?) of Texas made a comment on those lines a few weeks ago. Would they have a plebiscite in each state to decide which nation to join? That would be entertaining. Like the partition of India but with more guns.

Mississippi
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... epublican/

The one I was thinking of was Allen West, Rep chairman in Texas. Back in December he suggested a union of law-abiding states that will abide by the constitution.

Given the wingnuts involved, they'd probably favor a constitution that re-introduces slavery, & removes universal suffrage.

[Hal Jordan]

Oops

What an absolute mug.

So many of these far right, white supremacist types are their very own counter-argument: idiots who are physically far from even being average, let alone superior, specimens.

This guy is clearly one of the Antifa plants, whose actions Trump praised so strongly. As I understand it, Soros paid for the tattoos and Auschwitz staff member hoodies. Trump might just be so Deep State he's running an insurrection against himself.

We're into 5D chess territory here, folks.

[Lobby]

As they start to identify the people involved in the insurrection, it turns out one of them is a Republican member of the West Virginia House of Delegates



On 14 December, Evans, a Republican, was sworn in as a lawmaker in the West Virginia house of delegates. On Wednesday, Evans reportedly filmed himself and others storming the Capitol, shouting: “We’re in! Keep it moving, baby!” as Trump supporters flooded into the building.

The video, which Evans posted online, has since been deleted, but USA Today reported that Evans, who was wearing a black helmet, proceeded to enter the Capitol Rotunda. As he did so, Evans shouted: “Derrick Evans is in the Capitol!”, according to the Washington Post.

Since then, more than 26,000 people have signed a petition demanding Evans be removed from office, while Democratic party leaders in West Virginia said Evans should resign and “be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... rd-barnett

I'm guessing he is going to be in a whole heap of shit when he gets back to West Virginia

[mat the expat]

Question is, does the US Union survive the next few years? What happened was disgusting and is clearly supported by a not insignificant chunk of Americans, I would bet concentrated in some areas. The Republicans will cry bloody murder at everything the Dems do in government. Clearly the coastal types and the middle already have contempt for each other. Can this carry on?

If only it were that neat geographically. It's urban versus rural.

You have to love good Sci Fi authors - they have been predicting a Coastal Urban vs Christendom Rural split in the US for decades. It doesn't look like Sci Fi now...

Re the Police - the lone guy with the Asp should have stood his ground at the top of the stairs and used it to hold them - he was on the radio for backup. The real failure was not sending a group to back him up - a squad of 4 more with shields could have held that stairwell for ages.

[fishfoodie]

Question is, does the US Union survive the next few years? What happened was disgusting and is clearly supported by a not insignificant chunk of Americans, I would bet concentrated in some areas. The Republicans will cry bloody murder at everything the Dems do in government. Clearly the coastal types and the middle already have contempt for each other. Can this carry on?

If only it were that neat geographically. It's urban versus rural.

You have to love good Sci Fi authors - they have been predicting a Coastal Urban vs Christendom Rural split in the US for decades. It doesn't look like Sci Fi now...

Re the Police - the lone guy with the Asp should have stood his ground at the top of the stairs and used it to hold them - he was on the radio for backup. The real failure was not sending a group to back him up - a squad of 4 more with shields could have held that stairwell for ages.

There are about 500 people I'd blame before I'd blame the one guy with 15 rounds & hundreds of people running at him; & I'd start with everyone of the cunts in the White House; & after them the GOP, & then the top level of DoJ, etc, etc, etc

[Not_Couch]

USA needs to die.

Split the motherfucker in half.

Left gets the west

Right gets the East.

Country needs a reset, it's full of lies and corruption from both sides

[Niegs]

Rural can't survive without urban and it also seems most red can't survive without blue. I saw a better map that explained this, but this seems to also show it ...


Interactive version: https://www.socialexplorer.com/c0213d14ea/view

From this article: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/ar ... rs/361668/

Interesting for those who cry bloody murder at the thought of 'socialism'...

Another part of the explanation is easier to discern. The reddest states on that map at the top—Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, New Mexico, Maine—have exceptionally high poverty rates and thus receive disproportionately large shares of federal dollars. Through a variety of social programs, the federal government disburses hundreds of billions of dollars each year to maintain a “safety net” intended to help the neediest among us. Consider, for example, the percentage of each state’s residents who get “food stamps” through the federal government’s SNAP program.

[mat the expat]

If only it were that neat geographically. It's urban versus rural.

You have to love good Sci Fi authors - they have been predicting a Coastal Urban vs Christendom Rural split in the US for decades. It doesn't look like Sci Fi now...

Re the Police - the lone guy with the Asp should have stood his ground at the top of the stairs and used it to hold them - he was on the radio for backup. The real failure was not sending a group to back him up - a squad of 4 more with shields could have held that stairwell for ages.

There are about 500 people I'd blame before I'd blame the one guy with 15 rounds & hundreds of people running at him; & I'd start with everyone of the cunts in the White House; & after them the GOP, & then the top level of DoJ, etc, etc, etc

Don't get me wrong - I wasn't blaming that sole officer - he was let down by his training and leadership.

on point:

[Margin__Walker]

Let down by his training? What was he meant to do there other than start emptying a magazine into the crowd?

I thought he did fine delaying them for about as long as he could whilst giving ground.

[mat the expat]

Let down by his training? What was he meant to do there other than start emptying a magazine into the crowd?

I thought he did fine delaying them for about as long as he could whilst giving ground.

He should never have been in a position of being on his own - whoever was directing the "defence" was useless.

In the footage I saw, he could have easily laid into the crowd with the asp and given them pause. It's the very basic application of a baton in defence - likely he wasn't trained properly in it's use.

Don't forget, this building was designed when government buildings were still being attacked - it is full of natural choke-points for defence.

[Margin__Walker]

Righto. I'll bow to your martial arts expertise, but I still have a sneaky suspicion that he have got his head caved in after that pause if he started laying into them with the asp .

[mat the expat]

Righto. I'll bow to your martial arts expertise, but I still have a sneaky suspicion that he have got his head caved in after that pause if he started laying into them with the asp .

That's my point - fear is the driver in mob situations. The bit where he was at the top of the stairs was the crux. If he's have laid out that twat in the hat who was trying to intimidate him, he'd have a greater chance of holding them back.

Of course, it's a very fluid situation and I wasn't there, I'm just outlining the methodology. Once he gave up the stairwell, it was over without reinforcement

I have done some riot shield training with a mate who is in a Prison response team - they use the "Roman" shield tactic - once you take out one you push forward and use the bottom rim to smash them a few times on the way through. The following line uses their boots in the same way

[Kiwias]

Another loony crawls out from under a rock.

[Rinkals]

[Jb1981]

One of the injured police officers from the Capitol has died.

[Chilli]

One of the injured police officers from the Capitol had died.

Wow!
There should be very serious consequences now.

RIP!

[Insane_Homer]

[Not_Couch]

This all reeks of 911 again, it's now the Democrats turn for

Problem, Reaction, Solution.


Order comes out of chaos


Trump is just the fall guy, I don't believe in the mainstream media one bit

[Blake]

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[Slick]

This all reeks of 911 again, it's now the Democrats turn for

Problem, Reaction, Solution.


Order comes out of chaos


Trump is just the fall guy, I don't believe in the mainstream media one bit

At last, some sensible commentary

[Rinkals]

This all reeks of 911 again, it's now the Democrats turn for

Problem, Reaction, Solution.


Order comes out of chaos


Trump is just the fall guy, I don't believe in the mainstream media one bit

At last, some sensible commentary

Qanon FTW.

[Slick]

Let down by his training? What was he meant to do there other than start emptying a magazine into the crowd?

I thought he did fine delaying them for about as long as he could whilst giving ground.

He should never have been in a position of being on his own - whoever was directing the "defence" was useless.

In the footage I saw, he could have easily laid into the crowd with the asp and given them pause. It's the very basic application of a baton in defence - likely he wasn't trained properly in it's use.

Don't forget, this building was designed when government buildings were still being attacked - it is full of natural choke-points for defence.

Maaaate, one of his colleagues was dragged into the mob and killed. He did the right thing

[fishfoodie]

One of the injured police officers from the Capitol had died.

Wow!
There should be very serious consequences now.

RIP!

Yep; no pardons getting handed out now; & you can probably add on 5 years to every sentence.

[Sandstorm]

One of the injured police officers from the Capitol had died.

Wow!
There should be very serious consequences now.

RIP!

Yep; no pardons getting handed out now; & you can probably add on 5 years to every sentence.

Will they take the arrested folk back to the Capital stairs?

[And 1 guest]

Trump will pardon himself and hang his stormtroopers out to dry.

[fishfoodie]

Trump will pardon himself and hang his stormtroopers out to dry.

If he tries that, he'll have the legal fight of his life; & all the opinions I've heard on this are that it's a nonrunner. If he hadn't thrown Pence under the bus; he could have just done a Nixon, & been fine.

His bigger problem; now that the Officer has sadly died; is that he has now set two groups who support him against each other; so all his lickspittles will now have to decide whether or not they are with the murdering mob; or the LEOs !

He's crossed the rubicon.

I wonder what Sen thinks of his 4D chess skills now ?

[Jock42]

Righto. I'll bow to your martial arts expertise, but I still have a sneaky suspicion that he have got his head caved in after that pause if he started laying into them with the asp .

That's my point - fear is the driver in mob situations. The bit where he was at the top of the stairs was the crux. If he's have laid out that twat in the hat who was trying to intimidate him, he'd have a greater chance of holding them back.

Of course, it's a very fluid situation and I wasn't there, I'm just outlining the methodology. Once he gave up the stairwell, it was over without reinforcement

I have done some riot shield training with a mate who is in a Prison response team - they use the "Roman" shield tactic - once you take out one you push forward and use the bottom rim to smash them a few times on the way through. The following line uses their boots in the same way

In the UK? Hes lying and giving it the Billy big bollocks. I have done genuine PO training.

[Jock42]

woman protestor shot in the neck; doesn't look good, but she's in hospital now.

I won't repost the video.

She will be pronounced dead. Not often someone in a pre-hospital traumatic arrest survives.

Being reported that she has died.

You apparently saw the video of her being brought to the ambulance, while having CPR administered; there's another video of the shooting & the immediate aftermath; & I didn't post it; & was surprised that a respectable media organization did post it; because it was the last thing any family of hers should have seen.

I have subsequently seen those. Fucking bad craic media outlets showing that.