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Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:38 pm**

Looks like we need to get in the popcorn for the 21st.

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:28 pm**

Jesus Christ!

I thought that Lindsay Graham was still supporting Trump.

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:37 pm**

Graham was clear that Biden won in the his speech. Said many times that just because you don't like it, doesn't mean you can just reject it. Surprisingly good speech actually.

What do you do with people like the ones in the video? There's a certain section who know they're manipulating the agenda, but there a significant number that will never accept anything that goes against them. There's no way to bring them back into normal society.

Don't get me wrong though, Graham and his ilk deserve this blowback. They've been lying to these people for years and are now reaping what they've sown. But someone, somewhere is going to go after them with weapons before long.

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:51 pm**

Insofar as he's been a corporate whore ruthlessly exploiting the American people for years he is indeed a traitor. Right label from the crowd, but they couldn't be further from having worked out why to apply it.

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:15 pm**

@Biffer: I suspect you're right.

It's going to be a dangerous time to be a US politician, given the proliferation of guns.

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:20 pm**

Due to Covid travel restrictions the US will now have to stage coups at home

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:25 pm**

The Feds have put pictures of ten people they what to have a chat with. I wonder if these scumbags are first up, because of the murder of the Police Officer ?

All the pictures of people with their phones out, taking video, or pictures, & even making calls in chaos; just made me think how easy it'll be to identify these cretins; when they were actively creating threads for the FBI to follow; & giving them a way to follow them, & evidence of their participation.

A list of IMEI numbers from the local tower, & call times, with all the CCTV footage; & you can identify half these gobshites.

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:39 pm**

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:25 pm The Feds have put pictures of ten people they what to have a chat with. I wonder if these scumbags are first up, because of the murder of the Police Officer ?

All the pictures of people with their phones out, taking video, or pictures, & even making calls in chaos; just made me think how easy it'll be to identify these cretins; when they were actively creating threads for the FBI to follow; & giving them a way to follow them, & evidence of their participation.

A list of IMEI numbers from the local tower, & call times, with all the CCTV footage; & you can identify half these gobshites.

I should imagine there will be lots of that sort of stuff happening too.

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:20 pm**

Un Pilier wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:39 pm
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:25 pm The Feds have put pictures of ten people they what to have a chat with. I wonder if these scumbags are first up, because of the murder of the Police Officer ?

All the pictures of people with their phones out, taking video, or pictures, & even making calls in chaos; just made me think how easy it'll be to identify these cretins; when they were actively creating threads for the FBI to follow; & giving them a way to follow them, & evidence of their participation.

A list of IMEI numbers from the local tower, & call times, with all the CCTV footage; & you can identify half these gobshites.
I should imagine there will be lots of that sort of stuff happening too.

I think we can guarantee it

One of the things that strikes you about DC, compared with other US cities, is that the number of CCTV cameras is on a par with the UK. You can't get from the subway or any car park, without being tracked every step of the way on camera.

If the will & manpower is there; & after the murder of a LEO, there will be; then there's no reason why 75% of the people who entered the building couldn't be identified.

Realistically; they'll target the most violent, & the ringleaders, & most egregious offenders, & those they already had on their books for being far-right etc, which will probably be ~100 scumbags who won't be voting for anyone in 2024

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:42 pm**

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:20 pm
Un Pilier wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:39 pm
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:25 pm The Feds have put pictures of ten people they what to have a chat with. I wonder if these scumbags are first up, because of the murder of the Police Officer ?

All the pictures of people with their phones out, taking video, or pictures, & even making calls in chaos; just made me think how easy it'll be to identify these cretins; when they were actively creating threads for the FBI to follow; & giving them a way to follow them, & evidence of their participation.

A list of IMEI numbers from the local tower, & call times, with all the CCTV footage; & you can identify half these gobshites.
I should imagine there will be lots of that sort of stuff happening too.
I think we can guarantee it

One of the things that strikes you about DC, compared with other US cities, is that the number of CCTV cameras is on a par with the UK. You can't get from the subway or any car park, without being tracked every step of the way on camera.

If the will & manpower is there; & after the murder of a LEO, there will be; then there's no reason why 75% of the people who entered the building couldn't be identified.

Realistically; they'll target the most violent, & the ringleaders, & most egregious offenders, & those they already had on their books for being far-right etc, which will probably be ~100 scumbags who won't be voting for anyone in 2024

They’ve already arrested the twat who sat in Nancy Pelosi’s office and the West Virginian Republican legislator, Derrick Evans, on federal charges. Plenty more to follow I expect.

Posted: **Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:17 pm**

If anyone's looking for some insight...

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:00 am**

Looking at the options on the table at the moment; the biggest impediment to the shitgibbon, surviving Politically, & running again in 2024, is his own fucking ego.

This is the way the options look to me:

1. Resign; Pence becomes President until Jan 20th, & legally can pardon him, or anyone else. This suits the Dems, & suits the GOP; & doesn't close the door on 2024.

2. 25th Amendment; Pence becomes President until Jan 20th, but given this isn't consensual; so why the hell should Pence throw a Pardon his way ? Probably closes any 2024 run, as if he's incompetent now, how the hell will he be a fit person in 4 years ?

3. Try for the Self-Pardon; very, very shaky legally; & if it's tried, the DoJ has to respond; & it's in everyone's interest to have the precedent fail. If the self-pardon fails, impeachment is stone, cold, guaranteed, & 2024 is impossible.

4. Impeachment; if they get to this being the remaining option; after he won't resign; & the GOP won't go use the 25th Amendment; everyone will be very pissed off; so it's possible that enough Republicans will support a well worded Articles of Impeachment; & this will almost certainly preclude a run in 2024.

Right now; options 1 & 2 are off the table, because of the shitgibbons ego & the cowardice of Pence; & #3 is the favorite; but the DNC is working on #4 in parallel.

If he wasn't such a self-obsessed cabbage; he'd realize that the best course of action for him; was to resign, & make some apologetic noises; & keep 2024 as a possibility; while removing the possibility of spending the rest of his natural life in court, & losing the majority of his assets along the way.

The thick fuck is a genius in generating adversarial situations, where the only option is for him to lose.

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:46 am**

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:00 am Looking at the options on the table at the moment; the biggest impediment to the shitgibbon, surviving Politically, & running again in 2024, is his own fucking ego.

This is the way the options look to me:

1. Resign; Pence becomes President until Jan 20th, & legally can pardon him, or anyone else. This suits the Dems, & suits the GOP; & doesn't close the door on 2024.

2. 25th Amendment; Pence becomes President until Jan 20th, but given this isn't consensual; so why the hell should Pence throw a Pardon his way ? Probably closes any 2024 run, as if he's incompetent now, how the hell will he be a fit person in 4 years ?

3. Try for the Self-Pardon; very, very shaky legally; & if it's tried, the DoJ has to respond; & it's in everyone's interest to have the precedent fail. If the self-pardon fails, impeachment is stone, cold, guaranteed, & 2024 is impossible.

4. Impeachment; if they get to this being the remaining option; after he won't resign; & the GOP won't go use the 25th Amendment; everyone will be very pissed off; so it's possible that enough Republicans will support a well worded Articles of Impeachment; & this will almost certainly preclude a run in 2024.

Right now; options 1 & 2 are off the table, because of the shitgibbons ego & the cowardice of Pence; & #3 is the favorite; but the DNC is working on #4 in parallel.

If he wasn't such a self-obsessed cabbage; he'd realize that the best course of action for him; was to resign, & make some apologetic noises; & keep 2024 as a possibility; while removing the possibility of spending the rest of his natural life in court, & losing the majority of his assets along the way.

The thick fuck is a genius in generating adversarial situations, where the only option is for him to lose.

If you can get a Senate conviction then that absolutely precludes a 2024 run - it's an automatic disqualification. I suspect that was the reason for the autocue denouncement a day late, to try and keep enough Senators onsude

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:31 am**

Trump seems a bit inconsequential now, it's hard to imagine him not facing some prosecution. Up to this point it's just been a childish embarrassing tantrum. Inciting a mob to riot in government buildings
housing elected representatives is a giant leap over the line.

What's more disturbing is how easy it was for those folk to get in and all over the place. Only one of them was shot in all the kerfuffle. That must be hugely inspiring to the loony extremists on both ends of the spectrum.

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:33 am**

I'm not sure that he can trust Mike Pence with the pardon.

I notice that there is a case being made on twitter about Trump setting Pence up in the Capitol.

There are photos of a combat veteran wearing body armour and a combat helmet carrying zip tie handcuffs; it's pretty clear that they intended to take lawmakers hostage, so I would imagine that Pence himself would have been in their sights and that Trump would have been aware of this.

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:42 am**

Plenty of other scum accounts getting the boot from Twitter. And Trump keeps trying to use other people's accounts to Tweet, the Tweets keep getting deleted.

Him getting burned by social media is the Trumpiest thing to happen to him. They've made all the money they can out of him, he is of no further use to them, so under the bus he goes.

Just a pity they didn't grow a fucking spine years ago.

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:45 am**

stunt_cunt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:31 am
What's more disturbing is how easy it was for those folk to get in and all over the place. Only one of them was shot in all the kerfuffle. That must be hugely inspiring to the loony extremists on both ends of the spectrum.

It could embolden some, sure, but no doubt they’ll have stepped up plans, procedures, rules of engagement and maybe even weed out some people who aren’t up for the task. As embarrassing as this whole thing is they’ll learn some important lessons and be thankful it wasn’t a more violent mob.

The video where the lone officer retreats up stairs... I recall seeing him with hand on gun a couple of times. I wonder if he and many others were hesitant to blast away because of who the rioters were and lack of weapons apparent? If there were a bunch of people carrying, I imagine the lead would have been flying.

A weird contrast... one man broke into Canada’s Parliament in 2014 and he was shot dead (though I think reports of an active shooter were already out).

The 2014 shootings at Parliament Hill were a series of shootings that occurred on October 22, 2014, at Parliament Hill in Ottawa. At the Canadian National War Memorial, Corporal Nathan Cirillo, a Canadian soldier and reservist on ceremonial sentry duty was fatally shot by Michael Zehaf-Bibeau. Zehaf-Bibeau then entered the nearby Centre Block parliament building, where members of the Parliament of Canada were attending caucuses. After wrestling with a constable at the entrance, Zehaf-Bibeau ran inside and had a shootout with parliament security personnel. He was shot 31 times by six officers and died on scene

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:01 am**

Niegs wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:45 am

The video where the lone officer retreats up stairs... I recall seeing him with hand on gun a couple of times. I wonder if he and many others were hesitant to blast away because of who the rioters were and lack of weapons apparent? If there were a bunch of people carrying, I imagine the lead would have been flying.

That guy was in an extremely unenviable position. If he draws his gun and fires there's a chance the mob is cowed and retreats, but there's also a chance they bum rush him and he's only going to get a couple of shots in to thin them out. He retreated back to a point where there were additional officers to help him hold the line. Since one of his colleagues was beaten so badly they died of their injuries without getting the seditionist's blood up by shooting one of them, I guess the officer chose right for himself.

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:13 am**

At the very least, I think the doors to the chambers, are going to become like the doors to aircraft cockpits after 9/11; & access to the representatives offices is going to become much harder.

DC is probably also going to have to change how it polices demonstrations, based on how large they will be; & also the penalties for criminal behaviour is going to be ramped up.

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:46 am**

GogLais wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:55 pm Apparently bombs have been found at the headquarters of the Democrat and Republican parties. It isn't brilliant insight to say that the mob will turn against the entire political class, not just one side of it. Also I heard Eric Trump saying it isn't the Republican Party any more, it's Donald Trump's Republican Party. This is going to make the Labour Party's internal arguments look trivial.

Nah. Trump is finished. The next wannabe dictator will be more competent.

The maga types will continue their search for a totem pole.

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:00 pm**

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:01 am
Niegs wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:45 am

The video where the lone officer retreats up stairs... I recall seeing him with hand on gun a couple of times. I wonder if he and many others were hesitant to blast away because of who the rioters were and lack of weapons apparent? If there were a bunch of people carrying, I imagine the lead would have been flying.

That guy was in an extremely unenviable position. If he draws his gun and fires there's a chance the mob is cowed and retreats, but there's also a chance they bum rush him and he's only going to get a couple of shots in to thin them out. He retreated back to a point where there were additional officers to help him hold the line. Since one of his colleagues was beaten so badly they died of their injuries without getting the seditionist's blood up by shooting one of them, I guess the officer chose right for himself.

I thought he handled it very well, calling for backup while ensuring he stayed safe.

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:31 pm**

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:01 am
Niegs wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:45 am

The video where the lone officer retreats up stairs... I recall seeing him with hand on gun a couple of times. I wonder if he and many others were hesitant to blast away because of who the rioters were and lack of weapons apparent? If there were a bunch of people carrying, I imagine the lead would have been flying.

That guy was in an extremely unenviable position. If he draws his gun and fires there's a chance the mob is cowed and retreats, but there's also a chance they bum rush him and he's only going to get a couple of shots in to thin them out. He retreated back to a point where there were additional officers to help him hold the line. Since one of his colleagues was beaten so badly they died of their injuries without getting the seditionist's blood up by shooting one of them, I guess the officer chose right for himself.

There’s similarities there with the Corporals who got murdered in NI. Very few good options

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:15 pm**

Yep, said it before on here. But he handled it well for me.

Was a shit situation to be in with no good options whilst he didn't have backup.

Emptying a magazine into a crowd like that just isn't the right choice whilst he's on his own and has the option of giving ground until he reaches some help.

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:27 pm**

Not sure if it's been mentioned in here, but one of the guys carrying zip cuffs was a retired air force Lt. Colonel.

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:33 pm**

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:46 am
GogLais wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:55 pm Apparently bombs have been found at the headquarters of the Democrat and Republican parties. It isn't brilliant insight to say that the mob will turn against the entire political class, not just one side of it. Also I heard Eric Trump saying it isn't the Republican Party any more, it's Donald Trump's Republican Party. This is going to make the Labour Party's internal arguments look trivial.
Nah. Trump is finished. The next wannabe dictator will be more competent.

The maga types will continue their search for a totem pole.

Tom Cotton or Hawley seem to be the front runners. Although Hawley may have ruled himself out as the "reasonable" candidate for the soft GOP voters with his book deal cancellation response.

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:01 pm**

From jim'll paint it's Facebook page

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:21 pm**

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:27 pm Not sure if it's been mentioned in here, but one of the guys carrying zip cuffs was a retired air force Lt. Colonel.

Er, far be it from me to second guess their efforts. but that looks like two very different whack jobs carrying zip ties (intending to take hostages) unless the guy decided to undergo a fairly comprehensive costume change mid-insurrection attempt.

The ties, this guy's rank, plus the sundry explosives being discovered, definitely illustrates that while there were clearly a bunch of bumbling idiots doing most of this they were accompanied by some people with serious mal-intent. Also underlines why that woman had to be shot despite certain right wingers internet blithering on about shooting an unarmed woman and "say her name". How was the shooting officer to know she was unarmed? They'd already had pipe bomb intelligence by that stage iirc.

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:29 pm**

They are two different guys. It's on the full thread where both are ID'd. 2nd is the retired Lt. Col.

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:44 pm**

Ah, ok. I clearly misread.

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:43 pm**

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:44 pm Ah, ok. I clearly misread.

Yeah, considering he names them both

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:09 pm**

He looks a bit down on that pic. Imagine getting all the way in there and finding no politicians to hogtie.

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:23 pm**

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:20 pm
Un Pilier wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:39 pm
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:25 pm The Feds have put pictures of ten people they what to have a chat with. I wonder if these scumbags are first up, because of the murder of the Police Officer ?

All the pictures of people with their phones out, taking video, or pictures, & even making calls in chaos; just made me think how easy it'll be to identify these cretins; when they were actively creating threads for the FBI to follow; & giving them a way to follow them, & evidence of their participation.

A list of IMEI numbers from the local tower, & call times, with all the CCTV footage; & you can identify half these gobshites.
I should imagine there will be lots of that sort of stuff happening too.
I think we can guarantee it

One of the things that strikes you about DC, compared with other US cities, is that the number of CCTV cameras is on a par with the UK. You can't get from the subway or any car park, without being tracked every step of the way on camera.

If the will & manpower is there; & after the murder of a LEO, there will be; then there's no reason why 75% of the people who entered the building couldn't be identified.

Realistically; they'll target the most violent, & the ringleaders, & most egregious offenders, & those they already had on their books for being far-right etc, which will probably be ~100 scumbags who won't be voting for anyone in 2024

Uncharitable to judge by appearances but they don’t look the brightest do they?

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:37 pm**

Posted: **Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:23 pm**

the roundup of knuckle-headed morons continues apace. The Feds seem to be going with an initial simple set of charges (trespass, violent entry and disorderly conduct), to get the suspects extradited back to DC; where I assume they'll lower the boom on them, & land the significant charges on them.

The idiot who had his feet on Pelosis desk, is charged, with trespass, & theft; but in the article they mention that he brought a loaded AR-15 to the riot to; "keep the peace"

In the lying douchbag stakes though; no one will be shocked to see a (soon to be former) Politician take the early lead.

He's now claiming that he was there as, get this: "independent member of the media to film history,".

I know there were proper media people there, but I don't remember them shouting things like; "We're in! We're in baby!"

[Addition]

And to anyone who is still wondering if this was 5 or 10 bad actors with the rest just caught up in the moment, watch this all the way thru.

Watch 50+ scum trying to push thru a doorway blocked by a handful of cops; one of whom is screaming in agony, as he is trapped between the double doors, as the mob crash & rock against them, watch it & remember before feeling one wit of concern for these fuckers if they're all sentenced to life in prison; which they should be for attempted murder.

This was where someone should have drawn his weapon & emptied it into the mob, & then reloaded & walking at them

Posted: **Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:15 am**

Infuriating... and why, imo, Trump needs binning. There's no "letting the nation heal" by letting him off!

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/em ... racism-mob

Beau's take on it:

Posted: **Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:51 am**

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:46 am

Nah. Trump is finished. The next wannabe dictator will be more competent.

The maga types will continue their search for a totem pole.

I just hope like hell it's not another Timothy McVeigh type.

Posted: **Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:02 am**

Posted: **Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:16 am**

Niegs wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:02 am

Posted: **Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:18 am**

Trump fires another shot to muddy the water even more for Biden.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55606594

Posted: **Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:22 am**

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