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Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:50 pm So if the overall benefit was positive but there was a net benefit to a Tory as part of the process then it's a bad deal?!

Jesus wept, is easy to see now how Blair got PFI past these idiots.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:29 pm

Random1 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:22 pm There are always issues in any timeframe. No point in panicking about it. Are today’s worse than the war? Worse than Cuban missile crisis? Worse than miner strikes, blackouts, bailouts, defaults, double digit interest rates, etc etc?

A proportion of every generation thinks things are unimaginably bad - and they rarely turn out worse than what previous generations had to deal with.

I’ll just be staying calm, focussing on what I can control/influence and ensure I play my role in changing the sector I work in for the better.

Suspect everything else will work out fine too.

My problems with that is that it gives the current government a free pass, and all the bungs and corruption and enrichment of friends and bought acquaintances, all at the expense of everyone who lives in the UK

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:54 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:50 pm So if the overall benefit was positive but there was a net benefit to a Tory as part of the process then it's a bad deal?!

Jesus wept, is easy to see now how Blair got PFI past these idiots.

PFI came into being with Major iirc, and you are once again stating that the things New Labour got wrong were their alignment with right wing or free-market economics.

I agree with you on that.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:05 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:54 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:50 pm So if the overall benefit was positive but there was a net benefit to a Tory as part of the process then it's a bad deal?!

Jesus wept, is easy to see now how Blair got PFI past these idiots.

PFI came into being with Major iirc, and you are once again stating that the things New Labour got wrong were their alignment with right wing or free-market economics.

I agree with you on that.

With Wendy post on this thread you reveal your ignorance.

Major's government did indeed invent PFI then promptly buried it during their term as it offered such poor value for the taxpayer. This is basic knowledged FFS.

ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:09 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:05 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:54 pm


PFI came into being with Major iirc, and you are once again stating that the things New Labour got wrong were their alignment with right wing or free-market economics.

I agree with you on that.

With Wendy post on this thread you reveal your ignorance.

Major's government did indeed invent PFI then promptly buried it during their term as it offered such poor value for the taxpayer. This is basic knowledged FFS.

Why do you hate Wendy?

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:05 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:54 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:50 pm So if the overall benefit was positive but there was a net benefit to a Tory as part of the process then it's a bad deal?!

Jesus wept, is easy to see now how Blair got PFI past these idiots.

PFI came into being with Major iirc, and you are once again stating that the things New Labour got wrong were their alignment with right wing or free-market economics.

I agree with you on that.

With Wendy post on this thread you reveal your ignorance.

Major's government did indeed invent PFI then promptly buried it during their term as it offered such poor value for the taxpayer. This is basic knowledged FFS.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:05 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:54 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:50 pm So if the overall benefit was positive but there was a net benefit to a Tory as part of the process then it's a bad deal?!

Jesus wept, is easy to see now how Blair got PFI past these idiots.

PFI came into being with Major iirc, and you are once again stating that the things New Labour got wrong were their alignment with right wing or free-market economics.

I agree with you on that.

With Wendy post on this thread you reveal your ignorance.

Major's government did indeed invent PFI then promptly buried it during their term as it offered such poor value for the taxpayer. This is basic knowledged FFS.

Random1 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:01 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:29 pm

Random1 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:22 pm There are always issues in any timeframe. No point in panicking about it. Are today’s worse than the war? Worse than Cuban missile crisis? Worse than miner strikes, blackouts, bailouts, defaults, double digit interest rates, etc etc?

A proportion of every generation thinks things are unimaginably bad - and they rarely turn out worse than what previous generations had to deal with.

I’ll just be staying calm, focussing on what I can control/influence and ensure I play my role in changing the sector I work in for the better.

Suspect everything else will work out fine too.

My problems with that is that it gives the current government a free pass, and all the bungs and corruption and enrichment of friends and bought acquaintances, all at the expense of everyone who lives in the UK

All government is corrupt in its own way - is what the government are doing worse than Mandleson et al were under blair? Or osbourne?

I know that’s two posts in a row where I’m comparing present and past, and that’s where kawazaki is correct; a bit of stoicism is badly needed in the west at the moment in my view.

Not just the stiff upper lip stuff, but the wider philosophy.

I know you like your philosophy tichtheid, so I won’t teach you to suck eggs.

The understanding that everything that will happen has already happened, is one stoic principle in Aurelius’ meditations that id love people to mull on a while.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:26 pm

Random1 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:01 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:29 pm


My problems with that is that it gives the current government a free pass, and all the bungs and corruption and enrichment of friends and bought acquaintances, all at the expense of everyone who lives in the UK

All government is corrupt in its own way - is what the government are doing worse than Mandleson et al were under blair? Or osbourne?

I know that’s two posts in a row where I’m comparing present and past, and that’s where kawazaki is correct; a bit of stoicism is badly needed in the west at the moment in my view.

Not just the stiff upper lip stuff, but the wider philosophy.

I know you like your philosophy tichtheid, so I won’t teach you to suck eggs.

The understanding that everything that will happen has already happened, is one stoic principle in Aurelius’ meditations that id love people to mull on a while.

Random1, I don't think that everything is fine, I think that we are in great jeopardy. It's not enough to shrug things off by saying all governments are corrupt to a degree and where we are is fine.
Populism has made discourse and debate impossible,

I'll try to come back on this

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:44 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:39 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:37 pm

err no, I don't want it to be bad.

If I thought everything was tickety boo then why TF would I want change?

Because you hate the Tories.

Well, I do, but if I thought that Health, Education, infrastructure, (it's late, I'm struggling) and everything else was being looked after and that people were genuinely being taken care of when they needed it, would I seek change?

Yes, I'd want these things to be better done for, but I also know that it's very difficult to do it, but these things should not be for the enrichment of friends of those who award the contracts/ provision

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:37 am Disgraceful. Stop voting for Nadine.

What are we angry about?

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:37 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:37 am Disgraceful. Stop voting for Nadine.

What are we angry about?

Because Brexit & Trucker shortages are causing shortages of the chemicals to treat waste water; the Tories gave the water companies carte blanche to dump as much raw sewage into the UKs waterways as they like.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:16 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:37 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:37 am Disgraceful. Stop voting for Nadine.

What are we angry about?

Because Brexit & Trucker shortages are causing shortages of the chemicals to treat waste water; the Tories gave the water companies carte blanche to dump as much raw sewage into the UKs waterways as they like.

Which makes Boris prattling on about otters returning to waterways during his conference speach even more asinine. They're probably going to scarper again pretty fucking quickly as we poison the rivers.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:31 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:16 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:37 am

Because Brexit & Trucker shortages are causing shortages of the chemicals to treat waste water; the Tories gave the water companies carte blanche to dump as much raw sewage into the UKs waterways as they like.

Which makes Boris prattling on about otters returning to waterways during his conference speach even more asinine. They're probably going to scarper again pretty fucking quickly as we poison the rivers.

It's not going to do wonders for the shellfish producers either; unless you like your oysters, shit flavoured

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:46 pm Staged anyone?

dpedin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:23 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:46 pm Staged anyone?

Ouch!

Lobby wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:59 pm

dpedin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:23 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:46 pm Staged anyone?

Ouch!

I think it would be more accurate to say he used to be a Tory.

Coleshill was originally elected to Enfield Council in 2018 as a Conservative, but was suspended from the party a few months later when he was accused of making racist remarks in a council meeting; he had asked whether the Turkish family of a Labour councillor had “brought a classroom with them”.

He remained on the Council as an independent until June this year, when he was kicked off the Council for failing to attend any meetings for over 6 months. A by-election was held to replace him in July.

So he was only actually a Tory for a few months in 2018. It also seems pretty clear he’s now a bona fide loon and ‘lockdown sceptic’. In November last year he was charged with breaching lockdown restrictions after attending a public gathering in Hyde Park. He entered a ‘not guilty’ plea in court but the case was later dismissed and a fixed penalty notice issued instead.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:54 pm Yeah uh the problem of MPs being accosted isn't limited to people from other parties; you're just as likely to get harangued by people who are supposed to be on 'your' team. The Tories have courted the lunatics for a while so always risk this, and Labour has plenty of fringe weirdos and the momentum types to take aim at their own MPs.

Ymx wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:08 pm

Lobby wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:59 pm

dpedin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:23 pm


Ouch!

I think it would be more accurate to say he used to be a Tory.

Coleshill was originally elected to Enfield Council in 2018 as a Conservative, but was suspended from the party a few months later when he was accused of making racist remarks in a council meeting; he had asked whether the Turkish family of a Labour councillor had “brought a classroom with them”.

He remained on the Council as an independent until June this year, when he was kicked off the Council for failing to attend any meetings for over 6 months. A by-election was held to replace him in July.

So he was only actually a Tory for a few months in 2018. It also seems pretty clear he’s now a bona fide loon and ‘lockdown sceptic’. In November last year he was charged with breaching lockdown restrictions after attending a public gathering in Hyde Park. He entered a ‘not guilty’ plea in court but the case was later dismissed and a fixed penalty notice issued instead.

Don’t go ruining the narrative

sturginho wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:14 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:54 pm Yeah uh the problem of MPs being accosted isn't limited to people from other parties; you're just as likely to get harangued by people who are supposed to be on 'your' team. The Tories have courted the lunatics for a while so always risk this, and Labour has plenty of fringe weirdos and the momentum types to take aim at their own MPs.

Speaking of weirdos, some utter muppet has been arrested for putting up a mock gallows outside parliament

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:50 am Fan of the Civil War that I am, an MP got murdered last Friday so maybe was in poor taste.

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:24 am It’s as obsessive as dozy with China against the West. Silver/Lemon with Russia.

How real are internet stooges? Or are they simply an obsessive manifestation of our social media channels, which propagate extremism?