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Is that the fastest 10-15 Edinburgh has ever played? Admittedly Kinghorn at 10 does skew the average but still.Tichtheid wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:22 am It's great to see Kinghorn start at ten, this will be a huge test for him.
I hope he gets a chance to play with Shiel's service, otherwise I don't see the point of him standing really flat at ten, watching us box kick our way up the touchline.
They've allowed players under contract to be capped but not sign another "overseas" contract. Francis is heading to Wales next season and LRZ will need to follow after this contract.Yr Alban wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:11 am Had occasion to look at Rees-Zammit’s Wikipedia entry earlier. Interesting to note that like a number of others, he is a product of Hartpury College. Do Wales get the same thing we do, when we get told that a player is a poach because they ‘learned their rugby’ elsewhere? Or is it just us?
Also, when did Wales drop the rule that you had to be playing in Wales to be eligible unless you had 60 caps, or something like that?
I am just wary of throwing caps around really. Ashman is 3rd choice Sale hooker and Turner and Cherry, especially Cherry at his age, have shown they are able deputies to Brown and Rambo for full internationals.I like neeps wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:30 amIt will be an A team whatever I think. Without a handful of Lions and I can't see them getting the senior senior players such as Nel, Brown, Gray's etc to lace up Vs Romania.Big D wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:20 amThey should just make the whole thing an A team set of games.Tichtheid wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:41 pm
Aye, we're supposedly playing an "A" international against England in the USA and, I suppose, a full capped international against Romania in Bucharest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_July ... nion_tests
Would be really exciting if we could cap Ashman and Chapman. Two guys going great guns down in England.
It's not throwing caps around if it's an A game though. I'd probably consider Hastings if the game Vs Romania is an official international I'm not suggesting playing guys with no gametime. Sometimes Ashman is second choice at sale and Chapman is second choice at Gloucester having a good year. It'll likely be Dobie and Shiel though.Big D wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:20 pmI am just wary of throwing caps around really. Ashman is 3rd choice Sale hooker and Turner and Cherry, especially Cherry at his age, have shown they are able deputies to Brown and Rambo for full internationals.I like neeps wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:30 amIt will be an A team whatever I think. Without a handful of Lions and I can't see them getting the senior senior players such as Nel, Brown, Gray's etc to lace up Vs Romania.
Would be really exciting if we could cap Ashman and Chapman. Two guys going great guns down in England.
I am also not a fan of throwing all the youngsters in together (feels different if an A game). So if Thomson and/or Chamberlain are going on tour to potentially be capped I'd rather see Price and Johnson either side of them.
If we want to see loads of inexperienced guys like Hutchinson, McLean etc then lets do it but it should be an A "tour".
Thoroughly deserved.
Genuinely chuffed for him.
Saw that i am sure he thought he was getting his leg pulled
If it’s a full cap ‘A’ game against Romania then I’d experiment big time. You could put out a very low/no cap/fringe team that would still be of good enough quality to win comfortably. The only position I struggled to think of a challenger for was tight head.I like neeps wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:01 pmIt's not throwing caps around if it's an A game though. I'd probably consider Hastings if the game Vs Romania is an official international I'm not suggesting playing guys with no gametime. Sometimes Ashman is second choice at sale and Chapman is second choice at Gloucester having a good year. It'll likely be Dobie and Shiel though.Big D wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:20 pmI am just wary of throwing caps around really. Ashman is 3rd choice Sale hooker and Turner and Cherry, especially Cherry at his age, have shown they are able deputies to Brown and Rambo for full internationals.I like neeps wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:30 am
It will be an A team whatever I think. Without a handful of Lions and I can't see them getting the senior senior players such as Nel, Brown, Gray's etc to lace up Vs Romania.
Would be really exciting if we could cap Ashman and Chapman. Two guys going great guns down in England.
I am also not a fan of throwing all the youngsters in together (feels different if an A game). So if Thomson and/or Chamberlain are going on tour to potentially be capped I'd rather see Price and Johnson either side of them.
If we want to see loads of inexperienced guys like Hutchinson, McLean etc then lets do it but it should be an A "tour".
Hutchinson doesn't fit with Townsend anymore. Would be surprised if we see him get another 5 caps.
He always comes over as a very humble guy. Delighted for him.
Hunter-Hill shouldn't be called up until he plays top league rugby imo. Especially as Cammy Henderson is playing well for Leicester. And Hodgson/Davidson playing almost weekly for Edinburgh.KingBlairhorn wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:53 pmIf it’s a full cap ‘A’ game against Romania then I’d experiment big time. You could put out a very low/no cap/fringe team that would still be of good enough quality to win comfortably. The only position I struggled to think of a challenger for was tight head.I like neeps wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:01 pmIt's not throwing caps around if it's an A game though. I'd probably consider Hastings if the game Vs Romania is an official international I'm not suggesting playing guys with no gametime. Sometimes Ashman is second choice at sale and Chapman is second choice at Gloucester having a good year. It'll likely be Dobie and Shiel though.Big D wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:20 pm
I am just wary of throwing caps around really. Ashman is 3rd choice Sale hooker and Turner and Cherry, especially Cherry at his age, have shown they are able deputies to Brown and Rambo for full internationals.
I am also not a fan of throwing all the youngsters in together (feels different if an A game). So if Thomson and/or Chamberlain are going on tour to potentially be capped I'd rather see Price and Johnson either side of them.
If we want to see loads of inexperienced guys like Hutchinson, McLean etc then lets do it but it should be an A "tour".
Hutchinson doesn't fit with Townsend anymore. Would be surprised if we see him get another 5 caps.
Kinghorn, Blain, Hutchinson, Redpath, McLean, Hastings, Dobie; Schoeman, Ashman, ?, Skinner, Craig, Crosbie, Gordon, Miller
The likes of Hunter-Hill, Velacott, Glen Young and Jake Kerr could all be around the squad too.
Totally deserved and absolutely delighted for him. My favourite current Scottish player and in my top 3 favourite of all time along with Fin Calder and Gary Armstrong.
I wouldn't be afraid of sticking one or four starters in there even if an A team, Ritchie could captain and the likes of Fagerson and Redpath would benefit from more international games:KingBlairhorn wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:53 pm
If it’s a full cap ‘A’ game against Romania then I’d experiment big time. You could put out a very low/no cap/fringe team that would still be of good enough quality to win comfortably. The only position I struggled to think of a challenger for was tight head.
Kinghorn, Blain, Hutchinson, Redpath, McLean, Hastings, Dobie; Schoeman, Ashman, ?, Skinner, Craig, Crosbie, Gordon, Miller
The likes of Hunter-Hill, Velacott, Glen Young and Jake Kerr could all be around the squad too.
A remarkable double here, Williams, easily the worst coach we have ever had and an Irish rugby show giving him air time, god I hate Irish rugby.Yr Alban wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:38 pm
Anyone seen the sheer state of this?
I don’t use the word about many people, but I genuinely hate Matt Williams. He inherited the guts of the team that won the final 5N. He jettisoned several senior players (including Toony himself, at the grand age of 30) and utterly failed to get a tune out of the rest, to the extent that he lost every game but 3 (all of the wins against lower ranked teams). And if that wasn’t enough, he brought Dan Parks over from Australia and installed him at 10. I genuinely think that if we had never appointed him, Scottish Rugby would never have reached the depths we did.
And here he is, explaining how none of it was his fault and it was all down to the SRU being an amateur outfit. On Irish TV, of course, because he wouldn’t dare do it in Scotland.
I am perfectly prepared to believe the SRU’s approach was amateur. But the most amateur thing they ever did was give this chancer a job.
Scott Murray was a lion in 2011.Yr Alban wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:30 pm Someone posted a potential team that was available to Williams in 2005.
Smith, Bulloch, Ewan Murray
Hines, Scott Murray
White, Taylor, Carl Hogg
Blair (or Cusiter), Paterson
Webster, Craig, Henderson, Sean Lamont
Rory Lamont
OK, the outside backs aren’t great. But aside from that, it’s actually a pretty strong outfit. 5 of the pack toured with the Lions, plus Blair and Cusiter. The fact that Matt Williams made them into a wooden spoon team is, frankly, fecking criminal.
Edit: sorry, 6 of the pack were Lions. Scott Murray and Carl Hogg the only ones that didn’t make it in to a tour, though aside from Tom Smith, I think only Bulloch got a Test cap.
Sorry, I meant Ally Hogg. Not the first time I’ve mixed up those two. So that’s almost an all-Lions forward pack, the vast majority of whom got picked when the national team was underachieving.Big D wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 6:39 pmScott Murray was a lion in 2011.Yr Alban wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:30 pm Someone posted a potential team that was available to Williams in 2005.
Smith, Bulloch, Ewan Murray
Hines, Scott Murray
White, Taylor, Carl Hogg
Blair (or Cusiter), Paterson
Webster, Craig, Henderson, Sean Lamont
Rory Lamont
OK, the outside backs aren’t great. But aside from that, it’s actually a pretty strong outfit. 5 of the pack toured with the Lions, plus Blair and Cusiter. The fact that Matt Williams made them into a wooden spoon team is, frankly, fecking criminal.
Edit: sorry, 6 of the pack were Lions. Scott Murray and Carl Hogg the only ones that didn’t make it in to a tour, though aside from Tom Smith, I think only Bulloch got a Test cap.
Carl Hogg? Ally Hogg maybe?
He gave debuts to Ally Hogg and Philp too. Philp was better than those centres above imo.
Also, Townsend. 30 /31 during the 2004 /5 six nations tournaments.Yr Alban wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:30 pm Someone posted a potential team that was available to Williams in 2005.
Smith, Bulloch, Ewan Murray
Hines, Scott Murray
White, Taylor, Carl Hogg
Blair (or Cusiter), Paterson
Webster, Craig, Henderson, Sean Lamont
Rory Lamont
OK, the outside backs aren’t great. But aside from that, it’s actually a pretty strong outfit. 5 of the pack toured with the Lions, plus Blair and Cusiter. The fact that Matt Williams made them into a wooden spoon team is, frankly, fecking criminal.
Edit: sorry, 6 of the pack were Lions. Scott Murray and Carl Hogg the only ones that didn’t make it in to a tour, though aside from Tom Smith, I think only Bulloch got a Test cap.
Yep. I mentioned further up that the first thing Williams did was tell a number of stalwarts, including Toony, that they were surplus to requirements. As you say, he was only 30 during th3 2004 6N, and although he blew hot and cold for Scotland, he was still our most talented back.Biffer wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 7:37 pmAlso, Townsend. 30 /31 during the 2004 /5 six nations tournaments.Yr Alban wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:30 pm Someone posted a potential team that was available to Williams in 2005.
Smith, Bulloch, Ewan Murray
Hines, Scott Murray
White, Taylor, Carl Hogg
Blair (or Cusiter), Paterson
Webster, Craig, Henderson, Sean Lamont
Rory Lamont
OK, the outside backs aren’t great. But aside from that, it’s actually a pretty strong outfit. 5 of the pack toured with the Lions, plus Blair and Cusiter. The fact that Matt Williams made them into a wooden spoon team is, frankly, fecking criminal.
Edit: sorry, 6 of the pack were Lions. Scott Murray and Carl Hogg the only ones that didn’t make it in to a tour, though aside from Tom Smith, I think only Bulloch got a Test cap.
I hadn’t actually realised Henderson has been getting game time in the prem; I noticed he played (alongside Matt Scott at 12 btw) in their win against Connacht last night. Any views on whether he has played well? Is he first pick? If he is, that’s good going for a 21 year old.I like neeps wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:41 pmHunter-Hill shouldn't be called up until he plays top league rugby imo. Especially as Cammy Henderson is playing well for Leicester. And Hodgson/Davidson playing almost weekly for Edinburgh.KingBlairhorn wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:53 pmIf it’s a full cap ‘A’ game against Romania then I’d experiment big time. You could put out a very low/no cap/fringe team that would still be of good enough quality to win comfortably. The only position I struggled to think of a challenger for was tight head.I like neeps wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:01 pm
It's not throwing caps around if it's an A game though. I'd probably consider Hastings if the game Vs Romania is an official international I'm not suggesting playing guys with no gametime. Sometimes Ashman is second choice at sale and Chapman is second choice at Gloucester having a good year. It'll likely be Dobie and Shiel though.
Hutchinson doesn't fit with Townsend anymore. Would be surprised if we see him get another 5 caps.
Kinghorn, Blain, Hutchinson, Redpath, McLean, Hastings, Dobie; Schoeman, Ashman, ?, Skinner, Craig, Crosbie, Gordon, Miller
The likes of Hunter-Hill, Velacott, Glen Young and Jake Kerr could all be around the squad too.
Glen Young is a good shout too.
He's third or fourth choice: Lavanini and Green are first pick. He's effective though, a very exciting Scottish prospect and with Borthwick coaching him a recipe for success. I watched a bit of yesterday and he made a mental error which let a Connacht player run through a ruck 40 yards. But he's very aggressive and dynamic.KingBlairhorn wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:16 amI hadn’t actually realised Henderson has been getting game time in the prem; I noticed he played (alongside Matt Scott at 12 btw) in their win against Connacht last night. Any views on whether he has played well? Is he first pick? If he is, that’s good going for a 21 year old.I like neeps wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:41 pmHunter-Hill shouldn't be called up until he plays top league rugby imo. Especially as Cammy Henderson is playing well for Leicester. And Hodgson/Davidson playing almost weekly for Edinburgh.KingBlairhorn wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:53 pm
If it’s a full cap ‘A’ game against Romania then I’d experiment big time. You could put out a very low/no cap/fringe team that would still be of good enough quality to win comfortably. The only position I struggled to think of a challenger for was tight head.
Kinghorn, Blain, Hutchinson, Redpath, McLean, Hastings, Dobie; Schoeman, Ashman, ?, Skinner, Craig, Crosbie, Gordon, Miller
The likes of Hunter-Hill, Velacott, Glen Young and Jake Kerr could all be around the squad too.
Glen Young is a good shout too.
I hope he considers himself Scottish, anyone know if he’s still interested?
I went for clavicle or ACJ because of the way he was cradling his elbow, but a dislocation wouldn’t surprise me that much.Big D wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:37 am Rumours on the Edinburgh board that Carmichael will be calling it a day due to concussions and Sutherland dislocated his shoulder and has nerve damage.
Typical wee team
Knee heavily strapped there answers that.
Which is fair, but somehow Rees-Zammit seems to be immune from the same criticism, despite missing a boatload of tackles during the 6N.Big D wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:27 pm Well that was pish.
They are a very good team and at the moment Edinburgh aren't.
Tough game for him but at times Duhan showed why the criticism of his defence is fair IMO. He makes tackles but is often out of position or bites in when he should hold out.
He's the new shiny toy ain't he. Although to be fair he like Duhan is very decent.Yr Alban wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:00 pmWhich is fair, but somehow Rees-Zammit seems to be immune from the same criticism, despite missing a boatload of tackles during the 6N.Big D wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:27 pm Well that was pish.
They are a very good team and at the moment Edinburgh aren't.
Tough game for him but at times Duhan showed why the criticism of his defence is fair IMO. He makes tackles but is often out of position or bites in when he should hold out.
Both him and Nicol spoke shite for 80 minutes. Even more annoying when they speak over the ref as he's giving an explanation then proceed to talk shite about the reasoningBig D wrote: Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:10 pm A minor annoyance that became more annoying as the game went on is Hastings getting players names wrong on comms. He is woeful anyway but "ball is passed to Van der Merwe.... he made good yardage there". Aye Van der Merwe that big Fijian guy with 8 on his back.