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Posted: **Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:18 pm**

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:17 pm In complete unrelated news...

They're giving 8.5bn back to their shareholders. The poor wee lambs

Posted: **Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:20 pm**

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:34 am
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:21 am

Jesus, that's an eyewateringly high average

I know you guys talk about the shiteness of housing stock; but a figure like that really shows how bad it is.

Any idea what the standard deviation is for fuel bills ?
Last year I paid ~£900 for gas and electric, and I'm at the low end of annual usage for both. Large families are going to be clobbered

Same here - I’m currently at about £1100 a year on payments but am about £300 in credit and paying too much due to new fridge freezer and oven which has knocked about £20 a month off my electric. Will restructure my payments when this shakes out a bit more and get my credit back from them as well.

Posted: **Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:23 pm**

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Posted: **Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:26 pm**

I know its no consolation, but I have a friend who lives in Vienna. Last year his electricity bill was 20 euros a month. He has just been informed that his monthly bills this year will be 178 Euros a month, an increase of 890%!

Posted: **Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:27 pm**

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:23 pm rapeyou.png

Reckon you need to up your monthly payments already, let alone after the prices go up.

Posted: **Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:36 pm**

Lobby wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:26 pm I know its no consolation, but I have a friend who lives in Vienna. Last year his electricity bill was 20 euros a month. He has just been informed that his monthly bills this year will be 178 Euros a month, an increase of 890%!

Jesus, and their electricity is 62% hydro-electric generated with no reliance on gas power plants as far as I can tell. What's their excuse?

Posted: **Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:39 pm**

Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:27 pm
Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:23 pm rapeyou.png
Reckon you need to up your monthly payments already, let alone after the prices go up.

Na, they currently owe me £40 as of 1/2/22, in month 11 of 12 of my current contract.

Even with the 54% hike announced today, I should be under their "best" fixed offer by about £600 pa (before the £150 CT rebate), but nowhere near their £3500 pa "offers"

Posted: **Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:08 pm**

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:36 pm
Lobby wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:26 pm I know its no consolation, but I have a friend who lives in Vienna. Last year his electricity bill was 20 euros a month. He has just been informed that his monthly bills this year will be 178 Euros a month, an increase of 890%!
Jesus, and their electricity is 62% hydro-electric generated with no reliance on gas power plants as far as I can tell. What's their excuse?

No idea what reason was given for the hike. My friend was absolutely furious, and did manage to get the monthly charge 'reduced' to 120 Euros after giving them a piece of his mind. Even at the reduced rate though, that is still a massive price increase.

Posted: **Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:15 pm**

Lobby wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:08 pm
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:36 pm
Lobby wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:26 pm I know its no consolation, but I have a friend who lives in Vienna. Last year his electricity bill was 20 euros a month. He has just been informed that his monthly bills this year will be 178 Euros a month, an increase of 890%!
Jesus, and their electricity is 62% hydro-electric generated with no reliance on gas power plants as far as I can tell. What's their excuse?
No idea what reason was given for the hike. My friend was absolutely furious, and did manage to get the monthly charge 'reduced' to 120 Euros after giving them a piece of his mind. Even at the reduced rate though, that is still a massive price increase.

He must have been on some kind of massively discounted rate previously, because 20 euro a month is very low. Has he started a cannabis farm in his attic?

Posted: **Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:36 pm**

If those energy cunts try to suggest i double my monthly DD they will get VERY short shrift from me.

Posted: **Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:02 pm**

ASMO wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:36 pm If those energy cunts try to suggest i double my monthly DD they will get VERY short shrift from me.

How else are you going to pay? They are going to double

Posted: **Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:06 pm**

I see the dark money funded MP arseholes that were formerly known as the European Research Group, and then the Brexit Research Group, are now the Net Zero Research Group and are seizing on the energy price crisis to bang the drum for fossil fuels and anti-renewable policies. Arguing for fracking and more oil exploration in the North Sea.

WTF is wrong with these people? Why do they devote their time to fucking up everyone's lives on every front to make a very small number of obscenely rich people even more rich? (Yes, I know it's money for them)

And what's worse is that ordinary people listen to their scumbaggery and find it an easy answer to complex issues, and they have held a whip hand over the Government, propping up Johnson in exchange for Brexit stupidity and future wrecking bullshit.

Posted: **Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:29 pm**

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:06 pm I see the dark money funded MP arseholes that were formerly known as the European Research Group, and then the Brexit Research Group, are now the Net Zero Research Group and are seizing on the energy price crisis to bang the drum for fossil fuels and anti-renewable policies. Arguing for fracking and more oil exploration in the North Sea.

WTF is wrong with these people? Why do they devote their time to fucking up everyone's lives on every front to make a very small number of obscenely rich people even more rich? (Yes, I know it's money for them)

And what's worse is that ordinary people listen to their scumbaggery and find it an easy answer to complex issues, and they have held a whip hand over the Government, propping up Johnson in exchange for Brexit stupidity and future wrecking bullshit.

Surely with high oil and gas prices the best thing to do is to lower your reliance on them. Anything else is retarded.

Posted: **Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:31 pm**

No, the best thing to do is ensure we have shitty housing and don't decarbonise, otherwise the donations stop.

Posted: **Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:58 pm**

Waudbee wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:02 pm
ASMO wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:36 pm If those energy cunts try to suggest i double my monthly DD they will get VERY short shrift from me.
How else are you going to pay? They are going to double

how will they double, the cap went up 53% not 100, i am already well in credit, its winter, during the summer my energy use drops through the floor.

Posted: **Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:06 pm**

Been around £155 per month for years. EDF have just offered me their best fixed rate of £485 per month.

There are surely going to be mass protests come the summer?

Posted: **Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:46 pm**

Grandpa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:06 pm Been around £155 per month for years. EDF have just offered me their best fixed rate of £485 per month.

There are surely going to be mass protests come the summer?

You what???

Posted: **Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:10 pm**

There is going to be some serious poverty in the UK.
NI increases and massive energy increases and high inflation.
Feck me this is going to savage.

Posted: **Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:18 pm**

Good time for Boris to jump ship...

Posted: **Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:18 pm**

Ymx wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:46 pm
Grandpa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:06 pm Been around £155 per month for years. EDF have just offered me their best fixed rate of £485 per month.

There are surely going to be mass protests come the summer?
You what???

Which part?

Posted: **Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:19 pm**

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:10 pm There is going to be some serious poverty in the UK.
NI increases and massive energy increases and high inflation.
Feck me this is going to savage.

Unfortunately; any kind of meaningful structural, & political reform, will need a very large, & unpleasant trigger.

Posted: **Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:26 pm**

Grandpa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:18 pm
Ymx wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:46 pm
Grandpa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:06 pm Been around £155 per month for years. EDF have just offered me their best fixed rate of £485 per month.

There are surely going to be mass protests come the summer?
You what???
Which part?

The part about £485 quote.

I’ve had my head in the sand.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 12:23 am**

C69 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:10 pm There is going to be some serious poverty in the UK.
NI increases and massive energy increases and high inflation.
Feck me this is going to savage.

Feel sorry for those who are genuinely in the shit but for those with asset wealth I have bugger all sympathy (spent some time with some elderly relatives recently and genuinely wanted to club them round the head). I mean when you live in a property worth >£1.5 million why the fuck do you think the government should pay for your insulation or heat pump or solar panels?

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 1:01 am**

Ymx wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:26 pm
Grandpa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:18 pm
Ymx wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:46 pm

You what???
Which part?
The part about £485 quote.

I’ve had my head in the sand.

Who are you with?

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:49 am**

Grandpa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 1:01 am
Ymx wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:26 pm
Grandpa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:18 pm

Which part?
The part about £485 quote.

I’ve had my head in the sand.
Who are you with?

I got booted over to EON-next after my provider went under.

But I’ve not looked at contracts at all.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:58 am**

If only there were a general election in the next few weeks. Like the Presidential Election in France. The France where the the electricity price rise was capped to 4%...

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:00 am**

That standing charge increase for electricity

even if you cut down on usage you're still shafted

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:21 am**

I'm biting the bullet, got a guy coming out to discuss solar and possibly wind next week, also rewiring the house. New boiler and central heating planned for later this year sill waiting for the company to get back to me on that. Only remaining thing to consider is maybe triple glazing but that can wait.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:46 am**

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:00 am

That standing charge increase for electricity even if you cut down on usage you're still shafted

Bloody hell!! I can see a lot of people cutting back on things like, gym, golf club, sky packs etc.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:54 am**

I don't currently have a car, have decided to put off looking for a new one for 6 months or so

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:45 am**

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:58 am If only there were a general election in the next few weeks. Like the Presidential Election in France. The France where the the electricity price rise was capped to 4%...

France also imposed a windfall tax.
Very sensible

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 1:10 pm**

Always amuses me when you people talk about things that seriously rinse poor people, like you actually care.
These very same people supported the bedroom tax and the child benefits cap., and a hundred other things the tories under Cameron and Osborne, May Boris and Sunak did to make life impossible.
Lets be honest, if you lot met a genuine poor person or a unpaid carer, you would accuse them of benefits fraud and a dozen other things... and if they dared protested, or got upset at the portrayl....you would threaten to turn up at their doors, nazi thug style, to beat the shit out of them
.

Ok thats it, no more, final warning, stop baiting people

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 1:30 pm**

petej wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 12:23 am
C69 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:10 pm There is going to be some serious poverty in the UK.
NI increases and massive energy increases and high inflation.
Feck me this is going to savage.
Feel sorry for those who are genuinely in the shit but for those with asset wealth I have bugger all sympathy (spent some time with some elderly relatives recently and genuinely wanted to club them round the head). I mean when you live in a property worth >£1.5 million why the fuck do you think the government should pay for your insulation or heat pump or solar panels?

Why wouldn't they? The government paid for their house price with their economic policies of the last decade inflating that specific bubble.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 1:43 pm**

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 2:13 pm**

Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 1:10 pm Always amuses me when you people talk about things that seriously rinse poor people, like you actually care.
These very same people supported the bedroom tax and the child benefits cap., and a hundred other things the tories under Cameron and Osborne, May Boris and Sunak did to make life impossible.
Lets be honest, if you lot met a genuine poor person or a unpaid carer, you would accuse them of benefits fraud and a dozen other things... and if they dared protested, or got upset at the portrayl....you would threaten to turn up at their doors, nazi thug style, to beat the shit out of them
.

Who are addressing as "you people"?

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 2:20 pm**

I like neeps wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 1:30 pm
petej wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 12:23 am
C69 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:10 pm There is going to be some serious poverty in the UK.
NI increases and massive energy increases and high inflation.
Feck me this is going to savage.
Feel sorry for those who are genuinely in the shit but for those with asset wealth I have bugger all sympathy (spent some time with some elderly relatives recently and genuinely wanted to club them round the head). I mean when you live in a property worth >£1.5 million why the fuck do you think the government should pay for your insulation or heat pump or solar panels?
Why wouldn't they? The government paid for their house price with their economic policies of the last decade inflating that specific bubble.

Yes, an exceptionally entitled generation. Expect howling.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 2:42 pm**

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 2:20 pm
I like neeps wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 1:30 pm
petej wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 12:23 am

Feel sorry for those who are genuinely in the shit but for those with asset wealth I have bugger all sympathy (spent some time with some elderly relatives recently and genuinely wanted to club them round the head). I mean when you live in a property worth >£1.5 million why the fuck do you think the government should pay for your insulation or heat pump or solar panels?
Why wouldn't they? The government paid for their house price with their economic policies of the last decade inflating that specific bubble.
Yes, an exceptionally entitled generation. Expect howling.

We're a group that grew up under particular circumstances and I'd accept lucky instead of entitled. We can't run the experiment but I don't think you can prove that if you magically arranged for people born thirty years ago to have been born seventy years ago they would have very different attitudes from us. And anyway "us" aren't all the same.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 2:57 pm**

dkm57 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:21 am I'm biting the bullet, got a guy coming out to discuss solar and possibly wind next week, also rewiring the house. New boiler and central heating planned for later this year sill waiting for the company to get back to me on that. Only remaining thing to consider is maybe triple glazing but that can wait.

If you're thinking about solar, get a battery as well. My solar panels are currently running the house, filling the battery (76% state of charge as of about 10 minutes ago according to my app) and exporting the excess to the grid. Some people on day/night rates also set the battery to fill overnight and then discharge when the daytime costs are higher.

Wind unlikely to be worth it unless you're out in the middle of nowhere and can stick a half decent turbine up (and even then, not sure).

There is so much more we could be doing to build both houses and commercial property fit for the current century, but with this Government, absolutely no chance of regulatory change or incentives.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 3:08 pm**

GogLais wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 2:42 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 2:20 pm
I like neeps wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 1:30 pm

Why wouldn't they? The government paid for their house price with their economic policies of the last decade inflating that specific bubble.
Yes, an exceptionally entitled generation. Expect howling.
We're a group that grew up under particular circumstances and I'd accept lucky instead of entitled. We can't run the experiment but I don't think you can prove that if you magically arranged for people born thirty years ago to have been born seventy years ago they would have very different attitudes from us. And anyway "us" aren't all the same.

I fully agree that if we all were born at different times we'd have different attitudes, was an observation not a judgement.

Posted: **Fri Feb 04, 2022 3:29 pm**

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 3:08 pm
GogLais wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 2:42 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 2:20 pm

Yes, an exceptionally entitled generation. Expect howling.
We're a group that grew up under particular circumstances and I'd accept lucky instead of entitled. We can't run the experiment but I don't think you can prove that if you magically arranged for people born thirty years ago to have been born seventy years ago they would have very different attitudes from us. And anyway "us" aren't all the same.
I fully agree that if we all were born at different times we'd have different attitudes, was an observation not a judgement.

Fair enough, I'm probably a bit sensitive as I'm one of the few here in the elderly, retired, reasonably comfortable category that's under attack.

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