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Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 2:22 pm
by fishfoodie
Bollox
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 2:22 pm
by sockwithaticket
For the life of me I don't understand why Lowe shaves the parts of his head he does while letting the rest grow super long.
Desperately want Toulouse to get some time on the ball and put Leinster under stress
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 2:24 pm
by ASMO
All too easy, this is going to get ugly for Toulouse.
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 2:26 pm
by fishfoodie
Sexton not doing badly for a guy who's getting a bus pass at the end of the season
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 2:33 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Close game then?
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 2:35 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Jelonch
It's a measure of how much a mismatch this is viewed as in that the FR picks are 96% for Leinster by 10+. The sort of margin you'd see for Eng v Ita.
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 2:38 pm
by ASMO
Bullshit call that
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 2:40 pm
by Torquemada 1420
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 2:38 pmBullshit call that
Yup. You will see that at 40 breakdowns a game.
Anyway, knew this would be a bumming hence wasn't bothered about getting back in time to see it. One of those games where if I'd been offered a free ticket and it was down the road, I would have passed!
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 2:42 pm
by PCPhil
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 2:42 pm
by freddie
Thanks but how do you get passed all the site when on a phone. Unusable right now :-( and I fucking paid for this game!
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 2:43 pm
by Torquemada 1420
freddie wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 2:42 pm
Thanks but how do you get passed all the site when on a phone. Unusable right now :-( and I fucking paid for this game!
https://meta.fbstream.tv/live/stream/le ... sain-fb-1/
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 2:46 pm
by Torquemada 1420
No sign of La Soule or Frog to comment on Leinster's ruck speed? Commentary calling it "ridiculous" with average being under a second. Where are Jelonch, Cros and Elstadt in slowing this down? Bearing in mind that Baille, Marchand and Dupont are among the best, non back rowers at turnovers in world rugby.
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 2:48 pm
by ASMO
Toulouse offering zero threat, 1 out rugby, Leinster can defend that all day without breaking sweat
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:13 pm
by Marylandolorian
Should the trip in of Ntamack been a penalty and maybe yellow?
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:15 pm
by fishfoodie
Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 3:13 pm
Should the trip in of Ntamack been a penalty and maybe yellow?
Nah, it was just a minor collision when you looked at it real time, & there was no changing of line, or stride
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:16 pm
by Tichtheid
Where Leinster are very good is when it's on they up the pace and intensity immediately.
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:18 pm
by fishfoodie
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 3:16 pm
Where Leinster are very good is when it's on they up the pace and intensity immediately.
they're moving the attacking line, faster than it's possible to move any defense; & if you just line up across the pitch they'll blast thru you
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:21 pm
by ASMO
Toulouse are just a shambles
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:26 pm
by ASMO
That passage of play illustrates perfectly how rubbish Toulouse are, there is absolutely no drive, no energy and dare i say it, no desire
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:27 pm
by fishfoodie
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 3:26 pm
That passage of play illustrates perfectly how rubbish Toulouse are
yeah, secure a turnover with a great tackle, & then go backwards 40m
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:32 pm
by sockwithaticket
Warburton's right that it shouldn't be playing the 9, but that's absolutely a penalty for coming in at the side.
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:32 pm
by Torquemada 1420
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 3:26 pm
That passage of play illustrates perfectly how rubbish Toulouse are, there is absolutely no drive, no energy and dare i say it, no desire
Now you see why Dupont is under so much pressure. He is sandwiched between a backrow which provides no protection and a FH who provides zero attacking threat and no tactical kicking to relieve pressure. Frankly, I would not give much of a sh*t except most of that ineffective contingent are currently dead cert starters for France.
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:34 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Ntamack
FFS
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:35 pm
by OomStruisbaai
The ref don't like Toulouse
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:42 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Ntamack
FFS
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:42 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Ntamack
FFS
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:42 pm
by ASMO
Ntamack has had a shocker, everything he has touched has turned to shit
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:45 pm
by fishfoodie
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 3:42 pm
Ntamack has had a shocker, everything he has touched has turned to shit
He's a luxury you can't afford at this level of the game
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:47 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Toulouse have given up "contesting" the breakdown in favour of keeping defenders wide but
a) It just speeds up Leinster ball
b) Errr...... when you are 2 scores down with f**k all on the clock, ceding loads of easy possession to the opposition is not an option
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:49 pm
by Torquemada 1420
FM, Ntamack found touch
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:50 pm
by ASMO
Honestly, that score flatters Toulouse.
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:51 pm
by Tichtheid
There's a striking difference in accuracy from the teams
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:52 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Absolute arse reaming.
WTF was Ntamack doing jogging back for that kick through?
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:52 pm
by ASMO
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 3:51 pm
There's a striking difference in accuracy from the teams
You mean one side had it, the other had none
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:53 pm
by PCPhil
Toulouse are NOT shit. Leinster are very good.
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:54 pm
by Tichtheid
ASMO wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 3:52 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 3:51 pm
There's a striking difference in accuracy from the teams
You mean one side had it, the other had none
The mauled try was good, they did well to keep the ball carrier on the park, but apart from that they didn't offer much at all, the first try was an interception in all but name, a lucky run-in.
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:55 pm
by Tichtheid
PCPhil wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 3:53 pm
Toulouse are NOT shit. Leinster are very good.
That's a fair point, Leinster's defence didn't give them a sniff.
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:56 pm
by sockwithaticket
PCPhil wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 3:53 pm
Toulouse are NOT shit
. Leinster are very good.
No, they're not Worcester, but they're not good. Lots of very good players in variable form and looking like they're barely coached.
Leinster are very good.
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 3:59 pm
by Marylandolorian
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 3:56 pm
PCPhil wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 3:53 pm
Toulouse are NOT shit
. Leinster are very good.
No, they're not Worcester, but they're not good. Lots of very good players in variable form and looking like they're barely coached.
Leinster are very good.
Yep, the 2022 EC winners
Re: Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend
Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 4:02 pm
by Torquemada 1420
PCPhil wrote: ↑Sat May 14, 2022 3:53 pm
Toulouse are NOT shit. Leinster are very good.
Leinster are largely the Irish national team. Trouble is Toulouse is too much of the French national team: a thing I have a real problem with because in France, pull on a red shirt and you are automatically guaranteed a cap. I hope that Galthie and co watched this and it starts to dawn upon them that some of these players should not be in the French set up.
IN
Dupont, Baille, Marchand, Mauvaka and I'd even consider Ramos in some circumstances as a utility cover.
OUT
Ntamack, Tauzin, Jelonch, Cros (unless you have enough cover around him to do some breakdown work i.e. you set out with someone just for a high tackle rate.. although you already have Woki and Le Roux for than and both can play lock too).