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TedMaul wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:56 pm Everyone know who the Knickers Nicker is. Everyone.

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:54 pm Nothing gossipy about front page news. Gossipy would be hearing off a mate that a well known poster on NPR likes robbing women's knickers off their line and then giving them to his wife as a present. Or so I have heard

BnM wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:15 pm Not using a condom when it was agreed, taking it off mid way through, etc etc all counts as rape legally. It's about what the other person consented too. Same for 2 men having sex. If consent was given for sex with a condom, then if the other person removes or pretends then consent is revoked. There's been legal cases around it and convictions.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 3:19 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:54 pm Nothing gossipy about front page news. Gossipy would be hearing off a mate that a well known poster on NPR likes robbing women's knickers off their line and then giving them to his wife as a present. Or so I have heard

Leave me out of this, thank-you!

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:31 am

lemonhead wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:27 am

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:14 am

Well, yeah. Maybe not sociopathy specifically, but there's clearly something wrong with the parts of their brains that relate to empathy, otherwise they wouldn't do what they do. Their own wants and needs are skewed from those of regular people and other than wanting to not get caught, they don't seem to have any limitations set on pursuing their aberrant desires. Sometimes they find themselves already born to a position where there's apparatus they can leverage to insulate themselves against consequences of that pursuit (Prince Andrew), while others rise to such a position (Saville).

Lately, when victims are courageous enough to come forward and go on the record they are held to account. Belatedly perhaps, but Epstein was in prison when he killed himself/was bumped off before he could spill his guts and last I heard Tate is awaiting whether a judge will advise for rape and human trafficking charges in Romania to proceed to trial. It just requires a bit more than everyone 'knowing' that someone's a creep.

My Thought Tree which is more accustomed to much lighter subject material did an episode on Saville which was downright chilling.

Seems he almost did want to get caught, which just turns your stomach when you think how did he not die in prison.

Yeah, they have kind of documented this with some serial killers. They want to keep killing, servicing that desire, but they also have a kind of perverse pride in what they do and want for notoriety, so they start taking risks or explicitly providing hints for law enforcement.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 7:29 pm The dispatchers which I didn’t watch apparently used actors? Wtf?

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 7:53 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 7:29 pm The dispatchers which I didn’t watch apparently used actors? Wtf?

Not sure what your issue is?

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:08 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 7:53 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 7:29 pm The dispatchers which I didn’t watch apparently used actors? Wtf?

Not sure what your issue is?

I mean it’s fine it was a sensationalist movie made down the track, but probably not the best for people to use as a basis to neutrally judge for themselves.

Or is it just me??

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:29 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:08 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 7:53 pm

Not sure what your issue is?

I mean it’s fine it was a sensationalist movie made down the track, but probably not the best for people to use as a basis to neutrally judge for themselves.

Or is it just me??

I’m not being a knob, I genuinely am not sure what you are getting at here. Actors saying the words of the women accusing him?

These studies led Dr. Mehrabian to devise a formula to describe how the mind determines meaning. He concluded that the interpretation of a message is 7 percent verbal, 38 percent vocal and 55 percent visual. The conclusion was that 93 percent of communication is “nonverbal” in nature.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:39 pm A google on communication gave this as top result

These studies led Dr. Mehrabian to devise a formula to describe how the mind determines meaning. He concluded that the interpretation of a message is 7 percent verbal, 38 percent vocal and 55 percent visual. The conclusion was that 93 percent of communication is “nonverbal” in nature.

Simian wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:44 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:39 pm A google on communication gave this as top result

These studies led Dr. Mehrabian to devise a formula to describe how the mind determines meaning. He concluded that the interpretation of a message is 7 percent verbal, 38 percent vocal and 55 percent visual. The conclusion was that 93 percent of communication is “nonverbal” in nature.

You know that is *literally* referred to as the Mehrabian Myth?

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:36 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:29 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:08 pm

I mean it’s fine it was a sensationalist movie made down the track, but probably not the best for people to use as a basis to neutrally judge for themselves.

Or is it just me??

I’m not being a knob, I genuinely am not sure what you are getting at here. Actors saying the words of the women accusing him?

I think it’s a trust thing. Dramatic delivery by a good actor feels misleading to me.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:34 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:36 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:29 pm

I’m not being a knob, I genuinely am not sure what you are getting at here. Actors saying the words of the women accusing him?

I think it’s a trust thing. Dramatic delivery by a good actor feels misleading to me.

They're not fucking getting Kiera Knightly and Emily Blunt to do this. Between the extremely common use of voice actors whenever there's a good reason for the victims to not be public, and the even more common links to the rape crisis helplines in the article, you are either extremely confused by something that is utterly commonplace or trying to muddy the waters for some reason. What are you doing? It's weird.

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:03 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:34 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:36 pm

I think it’s a trust thing. Dramatic delivery by a good actor feels misleading to me.

They're not fucking getting Kiera Knightly and Emily Blunt to do this. Between the extremely common use of voice actors whenever there's a good reason for the victims to not be public, and the even more common links to the rape crisis helplines in the article, you are either extremely confused by something that is utterly commonplace or trying to muddy the waters for some reason. What are you doing? It's weird.

Any use of actors is entirely inappropriate for presenting this to the public where opinions form rapidly. People read in to facial expressions, intonations, tone of voice. Actors kind of specialise in doing this !!

I’m pretty sure this was not your stance when it came to Marlin Yarde, even being named, let alone someone performing on a camera pretending to be the victim.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:08 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 7:53 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 7:29 pm The dispatchers which I didn’t watch apparently used actors? Wtf?

Not sure what your issue is?

I mean it’s fine it was a sensationalist movie made down the track, but probably not the best for people to use as a basis to neutrally judge for themselves.

Or is it just me??

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:03 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:34 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:36 pm

I think it’s a trust thing. Dramatic delivery by a good actor feels misleading to me.

They're not fucking getting Kiera Knightly and Emily Blunt to do this. Between the extremely common use of voice actors whenever there's a good reason for the victims to not be public, and the even more common links to the rape crisis helplines in the article, you are either extremely confused by something that is utterly commonplace or trying to muddy the waters for some reason. What are you doing? It's weird.

Any use of actors is entirely inappropriate for presenting this to the public where opinions form rapidly. People read in to facial expressions, intonations, tone of voice. Actors kind of specialise in doing this !!

I’m pretty sure this was not your stance when it came to Marlin Yarde, even being named, let alone someone performing on a camera pretending to be the victim.

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:24 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:03 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:34 am

They're not fucking getting Kiera Knightly and Emily Blunt to do this. Between the extremely common use of voice actors whenever there's a good reason for the victims to not be public, and the even more common links to the rape crisis helplines in the article, you are either extremely confused by something that is utterly commonplace or trying to muddy the waters for some reason. What are you doing? It's weird.

Any use of actors is entirely inappropriate for presenting this to the public where opinions form rapidly. People read in to facial expressions, intonations, tone of voice. Actors kind of specialise in doing this !!

I’m pretty sure this was not your stance when it came to Marlin Yarde, even being named, let alone someone performing on a camera pretending to be the victim.

This is a fucking weird take on things...

you're saying you want real victims to appear and relate their stories, with all the trauma that would entail... because you think that public opinion, which matters less than a gnat's turd, might be influenced by seeing an actor.

Have a look at yourself, dude.

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 11:05 pm

el capitan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 9:31 pm Mid 2000's North London and a group of us are on an evening out. Brand tries repeatedly to approach/chat up the girlfriend of one of our group and suggest she goes off with him, whilst a couple of his entourage act as his shield and engage us whilst he "goes about his work". After he's told many times to fuck off, and a bit of a square off, he eventually goes off elsewhere.

So always thought he was an absolute twat and avoided anything he's done on the telly. Wouldn't surprise me if he was an absolute wrong 'un.

Also spent a few evenings in his company in Camden back in the day and he was well known as being an absolute cunt. Was in his face twice myself and pushed out the way by a couple of his unofficial security. Anyone in that area around that time knew he was a cunt

By coincidence was with a group tonight talking about this which included an ex tabloid editor who had personal experience of Walliams. They reckon he is on another level and will eventually be outed as one of the worst predators we have seen in the entertainment industry

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:35 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:40 pm

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:36 pm

Speculation is fine, as long as you treat it for what it is and not for the truth.

This. I think everyone gets overly concerned about what can and can't be said on an anonymous Internet forum.

Anyway we all know who we are all thinking it is.

Oh no, I don't care about what can and can't be said, I just think it's really ghoulish that people respond to a rape by eagerly reeling off names tbh

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:55 am I don't think there's any doubt who it is, especially with Sale having confirmed a member of their squad was arrested. It's a pretty grim event though, so not sure if there's much mileage in continuing to discuss it when we're not going to get any further details at this stage.

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:48 am Well you seemed to want to restrain public thought in that case, it certainly doesn’t feel like you wanted a tv programme about it, based on the below.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:35 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:40 pm

This. I think everyone gets overly concerned about what can and can't be said on an anonymous Internet forum.

Anyway we all know who we are all thinking it is.

Oh no, I don't care about what can and can't be said, I just think it's really ghoulish that people respond to a rape by eagerly reeling off names tbh

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:55 am I don't think there's any doubt who it is, especially with Sale having confirmed a member of their squad was arrested. It's a pretty grim event though, so not sure if there's much mileage in continuing to discuss it when we're not going to get any further details at this stage.

Big D wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:56 am It hasn't been mentioned here but I have seen the motives of Daniel Sloss being the only comedian to speak on the programme questioned.

This might explain his motives rather than advancing his career:

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 1:07 pm

Big D wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:56 am It hasn't been mentioned here but I have seen the motives of Daniel Sloss being the only comedian to speak on the programme questioned.

This might explain his motives rather than advancing his career:

I appreciate what he's saying, but I can't help but wonder if that will actually achieve anything. You can't take "I think this guy's a bit dodge, said some iffy things" to the police. You can tell the speaker what they're saying isn't ok, but all that really teaches them is to moderate their speech in front of you, it doesn't disabuse them of the notion that sexual assault or worse is ok. Dropping them from your circle probably isn't going to be a road to Damascus moment either. The vast majority of men know that it's illegal and that society at large is completely behind it being illegal because it's also considered immoral. They know and don't care and/or transgressing against social mores is part of the point.

Big D wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:47 am

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 11:05 pm

el capitan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 9:31 pm Mid 2000's North London and a group of us are on an evening out. Brand tries repeatedly to approach/chat up the girlfriend of one of our group and suggest she goes off with him, whilst a couple of his entourage act as his shield and engage us whilst he "goes about his work". After he's told many times to fuck off, and a bit of a square off, he eventually goes off elsewhere.

So always thought he was an absolute twat and avoided anything he's done on the telly. Wouldn't surprise me if he was an absolute wrong 'un.

Also spent a few evenings in his company in Camden back in the day and he was well known as being an absolute cunt. Was in his face twice myself and pushed out the way by a couple of his unofficial security. Anyone in that area around that time knew he was a cunt

By coincidence was with a group tonight talking about this which included an ex tabloid editor who had personal experience of Walliams. They reckon he is on another level and will eventually be outed as one of the worst predators we have seen in the entertainment industry

I saw a rumour that they have info on allegations against DW and NF.

robmatic wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 1:17 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 1:07 pm

Big D wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:56 am It hasn't been mentioned here but I have seen the motives of Daniel Sloss being the only comedian to speak on the programme questioned.

This might explain his motives rather than advancing his career:

I appreciate what he's saying, but I can't help but wonder if that will actually achieve anything. You can't take "I think this guy's a bit dodge, said some iffy things" to the police. You can tell the speaker what they're saying isn't ok, but all that really teaches them is to moderate their speech in front of you, it doesn't disabuse them of the notion that sexual assault or worse is ok. Dropping them from your circle probably isn't going to be a road to Damascus moment either. The vast majority of men know that it's illegal and that society at large is completely behind it being illegal because it's also considered immoral. They know and don't care and/or transgressing against social mores is part of the point.

I feel like Brand certainly wouldn't have been as emboldened/prolific if he hadn't had his agents/colleagues etc. turning a blind eye to his proclivities and people generally blowing smoke up his arse.

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 1:36 pm Wait, so in the last few weeks RB has given critiques on Moderna, Pfizer, Bill Gates, Biden etc etc and all of a sudden he's being taken down.

I am the very personification of being shocked.

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 1:36 pm Wait, so in the last few weeks RB has given critiques on Moderna, Pfizer, Bill Gates, Biden etc etc and all of a sudden he's being taken down.

I am the very personification of being shocked.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:46 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:48 am Well you seemed to want to restrain public thought in that case, it certainly doesn’t feel like you wanted a tv programme about it, based on the below.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:35 pm

Oh no, I don't care about what can and can't be said, I just think it's really ghoulish that people respond to a rape by eagerly reeling off names tbh

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:55 am I don't think there's any doubt who it is, especially with Sale having confirmed a member of their squad was arrested. It's a pretty grim event though, so not sure if there's much mileage in continuing to discuss it when we're not going to get any further details at this stage.

Honestly, you are absolutely fucking brain dead. Pretty big difference between me saying that a) people shouldn't gleefully speculate over who a mystery rapist might be and b) speculation when we're not going to get any more details is not worth it, vs actual details being published as part of a years-long investigation featuring multiple allegations. Reading what I wrote and coming to the conclusion that I would not want an actual investigation to be published is bonkers. In your haste to find any kind of gotcha all you've done is once again prove that basic comprehension fails you on a regular basis.

Speculating over who a mystery rapist might be is both ghoulish and pretty fucking terrible for everyone whose names get linked with something heinous for absolutely no reason.

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 1:51 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:46 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:48 am Well you seemed to want to restrain public thought in that case, it certainly doesn’t feel like you wanted a tv programme about it, based on the below.

Honestly, you are absolutely fucking brain dead. Pretty big difference between me saying that a) people shouldn't gleefully speculate over who a mystery rapist might be and b) speculation when we're not going to get any more details is not worth it, vs actual details being published as part of a years-long investigation featuring multiple allegations. Reading what I wrote and coming to the conclusion that I would not want an actual investigation to be published is bonkers. In your haste to find any kind of gotcha all you've done is once again prove that basic comprehension fails you on a regular basis.

Speculating over who a mystery rapist might be is both ghoulish and pretty fucking terrible for everyone whose names get linked with something heinous for absolutely no reason.

Speculating over the identity of a suspect vs speculating from an actor portraying a victim against a named person n. The former is not fine, the latter is hunky dory. Got it.

I’m not surprised you don’t see your inconsistency.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 1:46 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 1:36 pm Wait, so in the last few weeks RB has given critiques on Moderna, Pfizer, Bill Gates, Biden etc etc and all of a sudden he's being taken down.

I am the very personification of being shocked.

He's been giving critiques of all of those groups for at least three years.