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I like neeps wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:28 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:26 am

I like neeps wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:22 am

I have access to my school's alumni club and when I was deciding on my university degree had friends parents who were Partners/Directors of law firms, accountancy firms, SMEs set me up with work experience which is obviously a pretty good advantage.

This will likely be the case regardless of where you go to school if your parents are wealthy/well connected!

Right, and generally where do wealthy and well connected parents send their kids?

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:29 am

I like neeps wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:28 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:26 am

This will likely be the case regardless of where you go to school if your parents are wealthy/well connected!

Right, and generally where do wealthy and well connected parents send their kids?

To the place where the educational standards are high?

I like neeps wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:31 am

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:29 am

I like neeps wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:28 am

Right, and generally where do wealthy and well connected parents send their kids?

To the place where the educational standards are high?

And will continue to but now be faced with a tax on that. Ideal!

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:35 am

I like neeps wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:31 am

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:29 am

To the place where the educational standards are high?

And will continue to but now be faced with a tax on that. Ideal!

Not really, no.

Have you, in all honesty, actually comprehended anything I've written?

charltom wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:01 am

I like neeps wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:51 am

charltom wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2024 10:21 pm

Is it?

The "tax on private schools" is in fact a tax on those who pay private school fees, who by the way also pay the tax that funds state schools without (currently) taking a state school place up.

It is painfully obvious how this policy will make things worse, not better.

For the record, I work for a state school but have experience of both sides, which is fairly rare.

I went to a private school, there was no reason for it to have been classed as a charity because it was not one. It's a way for parents to give their kids a leg up. Fine thing to want to do, government should then tax that though.

They ARE charities. Many pupils benefit from bursaries, paid for out of funds built up from fees. Some get full bursaries.

And many of the schools do plenty for local communities.

Furthermore, independent school teaching staff give way more of their time to help with children's broader education, including sport and other activities at times of the week that most state school teachers would not dream of being at school. They do this, in most cases, for similar pay. Indeed I bet most independent schools won't be awarding the 5.5% rise that the state sector will enjoy this next year.

The extra staff that Reeves claims this VAT imposition will fund will amount to 0.3 teachers per school in England, i.e. bugger all. And that's if there are no negative effects on funding, which of course there will be as more comprehensive pupils need to be funded by the state.

Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:34 am What will the Govt use that 20% Private School tax for? HS2? New curtains in the bar in HoP?

Or to upgrade comprehensive schools standards?

I like neeps wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:22 am

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 9:32 am

I like neeps wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 9:28 am

The profits and dividends come from the increased opportunities and networks your kids have access to.

Hardly the same with books.

The fundamental service is of education.

Being snide, I eagerly await hearing about the secret handshake my daughter becomes privy to if/when she goes to her private school.

I have access to my school's alumni club and when I was deciding on my university degree had friends parents who were Partners/Directors of law firms, accountancy firms, SMEs set me up with work experience which is obviously a pretty good advantage.

I like neeps wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:36 am

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:35 am

I like neeps wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:31 am

And will continue to but now be faced with a tax on that. Ideal!

Not really, no.

Have you, in all honesty, actually comprehended anything I've written?

Yes, I understand that you're annoyed that your tax bill is going up on the advantages you want your daughter have at the expense of other parents and children.

The state are providing your daughter free at point of use education, you want your daughter to have a better standard of education (and sport, and co-curriculars, and better chances in her professional life which is great) and so you have access to that which now comes with a tax as it's not a charitable endeavour.

petej wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:46 am

Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:34 am What will the Govt use that 20% Private School tax for? HS2? New curtains in the bar in HoP?

Or to upgrade comprehensive schools standards?

Most likely elderly care considering UK demographics or healthcare in general considering the poor health/obesity of the UK population.

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:51 am

I like neeps wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:36 am

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:35 am

Not really, no.

Have you, in all honesty, actually comprehended anything I've written?

Yes, I understand that you're annoyed that your tax bill is going up on the advantages you want your daughter have at the expense of other parents and children.

The state are providing your daughter free at point of use education, you want your daughter to have a better standard of education (and sport, and co-curriculars, and better chances in her professional life which is great) and so you have access to that which now comes with a tax as it's not a charitable endeavour.

So, no, you haven't. Despite my clear and obvious invitation to do so.

She's an adopted child who was born prematurely due to domestic violence. I won't go into the months in intensive care, the oxygen or the health issues she suffers as a result. She - as you'd expect - struggles in school due to significant in vitro and early life trauma - like all adopted kids, she's also had the fun of losing who she thought were her mum and dad at 4 years of age.

Her school are not realistically able to offer the scope of support she needs, not thorough any lack of endeavour, effort and decency but because she has issues that they are simply not equipped to fully deal with. I have planned and saved to send her to a school that can support her, that I will pay for. But I may not be able to do that , because I am not made of money (unlike your mates, I don't appear to be a partner in a law firm) and someone has decided that adding 20% to the already eyewatering fees seems reasonable.

But, of course, I'm just after the secret handshakes.

If you have read my posts and don't give a shit, you need help. You're going onto ignore in any case.

Lobby wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:04 am

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:51 am

I like neeps wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:36 am

Yes, I understand that you're annoyed that your tax bill is going up on the advantages you want your daughter have at the expense of other parents and children.

The state are providing your daughter free at point of use education, you want your daughter to have a better standard of education (and sport, and co-curriculars, and better chances in her professional life which is great) and so you have access to that which now comes with a tax as it's not a charitable endeavour.

So, no, you haven't. Despite my clear and obvious invitation to do so.

She's an adopted child who was born prematurely due to domestic violence. I won't go into the months in intensive care, the oxygen or the health issues she suffers as a result. She - as you'd expect - struggles in school due to significant in vitro and early life trauma - like all adopted kids, she's also had the fun of losing who she thought were her mum and dad at 4 years of age.

Her school are not realistically able to offer the scope of support she needs, not thorough any lack of endeavour, effort and decency but because she has issues that they are simply not equipped to fully deal with. I have planned and saved to send her to a school that can support her, that I will pay for. But I may not be able to do that , because I am not made of money (unlike your mates, I don't appear to be a partner in a law firm) and someone has decided that adding 20% to the already eyewatering fees seems reasonable.

But, of course, I'm just after the secret handshakes.

If you have read my posts and don't give a shit, you need help. You're going onto ignore in any case.

I don't know if this will apply in your case, but the Government papers do recognise that some people go to private school to have their specific needs met, and not just to gain privileged access to better education:

“... the government recognises some pupils have special educational needs that can only be met in a private school. Therefore, the government will consider how to address the potential impact of these changes in cases where private school provision has been specified for pupils through an Education, Health and Care Plan (EHCP) – a plan given to children and young people who need more support than is available through special educational needs (SEN) support."

The Government has also stated that one of the principles underlying the changes to VAT and the removal of business rates charitable relief is that all users of private schools should pay their fair share, "whilst
ensuring that pupils with the most acute needs are not impacted".

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:51 am

I like neeps wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:36 am

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:35 am

Not really, no.

Have you, in all honesty, actually comprehended anything I've written?

Yes, I understand that you're annoyed that your tax bill is going up on the advantages you want your daughter have at the expense of other parents and children.

The state are providing your daughter free at point of use education, you want your daughter to have a better standard of education (and sport, and co-curriculars, and better chances in her professional life which is great) and so you have access to that which now comes with a tax as it's not a charitable endeavour.

So, no, you haven't. Despite my clear and obvious invitation to do so.

She's an adopted child who was born prematurely due to domestic violence. I won't go into the months in intensive care, the oxygen or the health issues she suffers as a result. She - as you'd expect - struggles in school due to significant in vitro and early life trauma - like all adopted kids, she's also had the fun of losing who she thought were her mum and dad at 4 years of age.

Her school are not realistically able to offer the scope of support she needs, not thorough any lack of endeavour, effort and decency but because she has issues that they are simply not equipped to fully deal with. I have planned and saved to send her to a school that can support her, that I will pay for. But I may not be able to do that , because I am not made of money (unlike your mates, I don't appear to be a partner in a law firm) and someone has decided that adding 20% to the already eyewatering fees seems reasonable.

But, of course, I'm just after the secret handshakes.

If you have read my posts and don't give a shit, you need help. You're going onto ignore in any case.

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:12 am

Lobby wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:04 am

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:51 am

So, no, you haven't. Despite my clear and obvious invitation to do so.

She's an adopted child who was born prematurely due to domestic violence. I won't go into the months in intensive care, the oxygen or the health issues she suffers as a result. She - as you'd expect - struggles in school due to significant in vitro and early life trauma - like all adopted kids, she's also had the fun of losing who she thought were her mum and dad at 4 years of age.

Her school are not realistically able to offer the scope of support she needs, not thorough any lack of endeavour, effort and decency but because she has issues that they are simply not equipped to fully deal with. I have planned and saved to send her to a school that can support her, that I will pay for. But I may not be able to do that , because I am not made of money (unlike your mates, I don't appear to be a partner in a law firm) and someone has decided that adding 20% to the already eyewatering fees seems reasonable.

But, of course, I'm just after the secret handshakes.

If you have read my posts and don't give a shit, you need help. You're going onto ignore in any case.

I don't know if this will apply in your case, but the Government papers do recognise that some people go to private school to have their specific needs met, and not just to gain privileged access to better education:

“... the government recognises some pupils have special educational needs that can only be met in a private school. Therefore, the government will consider how to address the potential impact of these changes in cases where private school provision has been specified for pupils through an Education, Health and Care Plan (EHCP) – a plan given to children and young people who need more support than is available through special educational needs (SEN) support."

The Government has also stated that one of the principles underlying the changes to VAT and the removal of business rates charitable relief is that all users of private schools should pay their fair share, "whilst
ensuring that pupils with the most acute needs are not impacted".

Ta for taking the trouble to dig that out - I'll see what I can find on this.

We're on various pathways to get assistance, and her school have been really good with supporting this - the issue is simply the timescales and the resources on the assessment side mean we'll likely be waiting years. One of our friends in England has an adopted son with significant needs, he's received funding to go to an independent school (fees are pushing £50k ) as his local comp just can't cope. It took until early teens to get this.

Lobby wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:17 am

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:12 am

Lobby wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:04 am

I don't know if this will apply in your case, but the Government papers do recognise that some people go to private school to have their specific needs met, and not just to gain privileged access to better education:

“... the government recognises some pupils have special educational needs that can only be met in a private school. Therefore, the government will consider how to address the potential impact of these changes in cases where private school provision has been specified for pupils through an Education, Health and Care Plan (EHCP) – a plan given to children and young people who need more support than is available through special educational needs (SEN) support."

The Government has also stated that one of the principles underlying the changes to VAT and the removal of business rates charitable relief is that all users of private schools should pay their fair share, "whilst
ensuring that pupils with the most acute needs are not impacted".

Ta for taking the trouble to dig that out - I'll see what I can find on this.

We're on various pathways to get assistance, and her school have been really good with supporting this - the issue is simply the timescales and the resources on the assessment side mean we'll likely be waiting years. One of our friends in England has an adopted son with significant needs, he's received funding to go to an independent school (fees are pushing £50k ) as his local comp just can't cope. It took until early teens to get this.

The Government papers can be found here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... te-schools

The quotes above come from the technical notes, but you might also want to check out the draft legislation and the explanatory note.

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David in Gwent wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:20 amObviously they think we're stupid.

epwc wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:21 am

David in Gwent wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:20 amObviously they think we're stupid.

Some of us undoubtedly are

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:51 am

I like neeps wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:36 am

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:35 am

Not really, no.

Have you, in all honesty, actually comprehended anything I've written?

Yes, I understand that you're annoyed that your tax bill is going up on the advantages you want your daughter have at the expense of other parents and children.

The state are providing your daughter free at point of use education, you want your daughter to have a better standard of education (and sport, and co-curriculars, and better chances in her professional life which is great) and so you have access to that which now comes with a tax as it's not a charitable endeavour.

So, no, you haven't. Despite my clear and obvious invitation to do so.

She's an adopted child who was born prematurely due to domestic violence. I won't go into the months in intensive care, the oxygen or the health issues she suffers as a result. She - as you'd expect - struggles in school due to significant in vitro (eta: I meant in utero - she's not a science experiment) and early life trauma - like all adopted kids, she's also had the fun of losing who she thought were her mum and dad at 4 years of age.

Her school are not realistically able to offer the scope of support she needs, not thorough any lack of endeavour, effort and decency but because she has issues that they are simply not equipped to fully deal with. I have planned and saved to send her to a school that can support her, that I will pay for. But I may not be able to do that , because I am not made of money (unlike your mates, I don't appear to be a partner in a law firm) and someone has decided that adding 20% to the already eyewatering fees seems reasonable.

But, of course, I'm just after the secret handshakes.

If you have read my posts and don't give a shit, you need help. You're going onto ignore in any case.

Raggs wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:24 am Trying to prevent climate change also looks pretty smart. I'm already extremely worried about what we'll be dealing with, let alone what my son will need to deal with. Thankfully our home is well above sea level and water levels nearby, on a good slope too, so shouldn't suffer flooding to any great degree.

Lobby wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:17 am

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:12 am

Lobby wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:04 am

I don't know if this will apply in your case, but the Government papers do recognise that some people go to private school to have their specific needs met, and not just to gain privileged access to better education:

“... the government recognises some pupils have special educational needs that can only be met in a private school. Therefore, the government will consider how to address the potential impact of these changes in cases where private school provision has been specified for pupils through an Education, Health and Care Plan (EHCP) – a plan given to children and young people who need more support than is available through special educational needs (SEN) support."

The Government has also stated that one of the principles underlying the changes to VAT and the removal of business rates charitable relief is that all users of private schools should pay their fair share, "whilst
ensuring that pupils with the most acute needs are not impacted".

Ta for taking the trouble to dig that out - I'll see what I can find on this.

We're on various pathways to get assistance, and her school have been really good with supporting this - the issue is simply the timescales and the resources on the assessment side mean we'll likely be waiting years. One of our friends in England has an adopted son with significant needs, he's received funding to go to an independent school (fees are pushing £50k ) as his local comp just can't cope. It took until early teens to get this.

The Government papers can be found here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... te-schools

The quotes above come from the technical notes, but you might also want to check out the draft legislation and the explanatory note.

shaggy wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:39 am

Lobby wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:17 am

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:12 am

Ta for taking the trouble to dig that out - I'll see what I can find on this.

We're on various pathways to get assistance, and her school have been really good with supporting this - the issue is simply the timescales and the resources on the assessment side mean we'll likely be waiting years. One of our friends in England has an adopted son with significant needs, he's received funding to go to an independent school (fees are pushing £50k ) as his local comp just can't cope. It took until early teens to get this.

The Government papers can be found here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... te-schools

The quotes above come from the technical notes, but you might also want to check out the draft legislation and the explanatory note.

Multiple year time frame to get an EHCP if you are not destroyed by the utterly brain dead fucks in your LEA.

Raggs wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:08 am

charltom wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:01 am

I like neeps wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:51 am

I went to a private school, there was no reason for it to have been classed as a charity because it was not one. It's a way for parents to give their kids a leg up. Fine thing to want to do, government should then tax that though.

They ARE charities. Many pupils benefit from bursaries, paid for out of funds built up from fees. Some get full bursaries.

And many of the schools do plenty for local communities.

Furthermore, independent school teaching staff give way more of their time to help with children's broader education, including sport and other activities at times of the week that most state school teachers would not dream of being at school. They do this, in most cases, for similar pay. Indeed I bet most independent schools won't be awarding the 5.5% rise that the state sector will enjoy this next year.

The extra staff that Reeves claims this VAT imposition will fund will amount to 0.3 teachers per school in England, i.e. bugger all. And that's if there are no negative effects on funding, which of course there will be as more comprehensive pupils need to be funded by the state.

Why will bursaries no longer be given?

Got the figures for number of extra teachers? And it doesn't have to be teachers, more teachers aides will benefit the struggling children a lot more than an individual teacher, it will also allow the teacher to then get on with teaching the whole class, than spending more time trying to help those that struggle. TAs are a lot cheaper than teachers too.

charltom wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:47 pm

Raggs wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:08 am

charltom wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:01 am

They ARE charities. Many pupils benefit from bursaries, paid for out of funds built up from fees. Some get full bursaries.

And many of the schools do plenty for local communities.

Furthermore, independent school teaching staff give way more of their time to help with children's broader education, including sport and other activities at times of the week that most state school teachers would not dream of being at school. They do this, in most cases, for similar pay. Indeed I bet most independent schools won't be awarding the 5.5% rise that the state sector will enjoy this next year.

The extra staff that Reeves claims this VAT imposition will fund will amount to 0.3 teachers per school in England, i.e. bugger all. And that's if there are no negative effects on funding, which of course there will be as more comprehensive pupils need to be funded by the state.

Why will bursaries no longer be given?

Got the figures for number of extra teachers? And it doesn't have to be teachers, more teachers aides will benefit the struggling children a lot more than an individual teacher, it will also allow the teacher to then get on with teaching the whole class, than spending more time trying to help those that struggle. TAs are a lot cheaper than teachers too.

Haha. 0.6 TAs or slightly fewer LSAs per school will also make minimal difference. And the problem with the latter is scarcity in that there are not lots of them available.

I didn't say that bursaries would no longer be awarded, but I can tell you with absolute certainty that they are starting to be pared back. And one driver for that is the need to reduce spending further in order to reduce the extra that parents will need to be charged. So that's another move contrary to equality of opportunity brought about by the addition of VAT to fees.

I like neeps wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:28 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:26 am

I like neeps wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:22 am

I have access to my school's alumni club and when I was deciding on my university degree had friends parents who were Partners/Directors of law firms, accountancy firms, SMEs set me up with work experience which is obviously a pretty good advantage.

This will likely be the case regardless of where you go to school if your parents are wealthy/well connected!

Right, and generally where do wealthy and well connected parents send their kids?

Raggs wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:15 am

charltom wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:06 am

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 9:33 am

It's a tricky situation all round. I'd also augment your post to say the SNP haven't exactly helped this side of the border, but the net effect is the same.

Except it isn't. England's PISA rankings have (surprisingly to me( improved greatly; Scotland's have deteriorated.

Ranking sort of improved. Score didn't. Most countries went down between 2018 and 2022, it shouldn't be hard to work out why. England was no different, our score dropped from 2018 to 2022 too. England went down less than others, but...

1 in 3 schools didn't take part in England, and 1 in 4 students refused to take part (I presume, the 1 in 4 students, came from the remaining 2/3rds of schools). I'm willing to bet a lot that it wasn't the better performing schools or students who refused more often... England didn't actually qualify for the rankings because of this.

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/pisa-2022-ris ... d-results/

charltom wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:54 pm

Raggs wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:15 am

charltom wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:06 am

Except it isn't. England's PISA rankings have (surprisingly to me( improved greatly; Scotland's have deteriorated.

Ranking sort of improved. Score didn't. Most countries went down between 2018 and 2022, it shouldn't be hard to work out why. England was no different, our score dropped from 2018 to 2022 too. England went down less than others, but...

1 in 3 schools didn't take part in England, and 1 in 4 students refused to take part (I presume, the 1 in 4 students, came from the remaining 2/3rds of schools). I'm willing to bet a lot that it wasn't the better performing schools or students who refused more often... England didn't actually qualify for the rankings because of this.

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/pisa-2022-ris ... d-results/

I think a rise in Maths from 27th in 2009 to 11th in 2022 is a lot better than "sort of" improved.

And England scores higher than Scotland on all measures - 20 points higher on two of the three.

petej wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:44 am

charltom wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:01 am

I like neeps wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:51 am

I went to a private school, there was no reason for it to have been classed as a charity because it was not one. It's a way for parents to give their kids a leg up. Fine thing to want to do, government should then tax that though.

They ARE charities. Many pupils benefit from bursaries, paid for out of funds built up from fees. Some get full bursaries.

And many of the schools do plenty for local communities.

Furthermore, independent school teaching staff give way more of their time to help with children's broader education, including sport and other activities at times of the week that most state school teachers would not dream of being at school. They do this, in most cases, for similar pay. Indeed I bet most independent schools won't be awarding the 5.5% rise that the state sector will enjoy this next year.

The extra staff that Reeves claims this VAT imposition will fund will amount to 0.3 teachers per school in England, i.e. bugger all. And that's if there are no negative effects on funding, which of course there will be as more comprehensive pupils need to be funded by the state.

If they are charities, they should call themselves charities. Some pupils benefit from bursaries but probably those who would actually need less support and likely succeed regardless. Many of the schools do plenty for local communities, so some don't? Have you considered that teachers who have far less pupils will have far less additional work (marking/planning) and, therefore, have far more time for extra curricular activities. I doubt in reality there will be many extra students in the state system due to this. This is more of a hysterical threat.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:46 am

Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:31 am If 20% tax is added to Private Schools then that's probably 20% of students who can't go next year. So they head to the local school which is already overflowing with students and lacking teachers. This is a stupid tax trying to punish rich, Tory voters.

It's one measure to help reduce inequality. So for many the point is to do more, not not do even this.

Raggs wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:50 pm

charltom wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:47 pm

Raggs wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:08 am

Why will bursaries no longer be given?

Got the figures for number of extra teachers? And it doesn't have to be teachers, more teachers aides will benefit the struggling children a lot more than an individual teacher, it will also allow the teacher to then get on with teaching the whole class, than spending more time trying to help those that struggle. TAs are a lot cheaper than teachers too.

Haha. 0.6 TAs or slightly fewer LSAs per school will also make minimal difference. And the problem with the latter is scarcity in that there are not lots of them available.

I didn't say that bursaries would no longer be awarded, but I can tell you with absolute certainty that they are starting to be pared back. And one driver for that is the need to reduce spending further in order to reduce the extra that parents will need to be charged. So that's another move contrary to equality of opportunity brought about by the addition of VAT to fees.

Can you please supply where you're getting those figures from... 30000 schools, 1-1.7b raised per year, £15k for a TA, works out to roughly 2 TA's per school, if going with the low figure of £1bn.

Why will bursaries be pared back? Most aren't 100%, meaning the students still bring money into the school. Does it cost the school significantly more to have an extra child in the classroom?

inactionman wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:07 pm

shaggy wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:39 am

Lobby wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:17 am

The Government papers can be found here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... te-schools

The quotes above come from the technical notes, but you might also want to check out the draft legislation and the explanatory note.

Multiple year time frame to get an EHCP if you are not destroyed by the utterly brain dead fucks in your LEA.

Our expectations have been set that nothing will happen quickly, unfortunately

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 5:25 pm Home building targets slashed in London (i.e. where we actually need them). Nice one

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 5:25 pm Home building targets slashed in London (i.e. where we actually need them). Nice one

Raggs wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 5:47 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 5:25 pm Home building targets slashed in London (i.e. where we actually need them). Nice one

We need them everywhere.

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:06 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 5:25 pm Home building targets slashed in London (i.e. where we actually need them). Nice one

No point in a target if it's entirely unrealistic.

London's target goes from 100k to 80k

Birmingham's goes from 7k to 5k

I will look forward to seeing how serious the govt are about pushing this through. In Surbiton there's a site which is frequently used as a poster child for NIMBY locals - Seething Wells filter beds. Let's see what happens here.

TheNatalShark wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:03 pm

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 6:06 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 5:25 pm Home building targets slashed in London (i.e. where we actually need them). Nice one

No point in a target if it's entirely unrealistic.

London's target goes from 100k to 80k

Birmingham's goes from 7k to 5k

I will look forward to seeing how serious the govt are about pushing this through. In Surbiton there's a site which is frequently used as a poster child for NIMBY locals - Seething Wells filter beds. Let's see what happens here.

The eyesore that gets planning dumped for being a "green space" along the river by the Boaters?