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Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:17 pm
by JM2K6
Raggs wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:02 pm
There's also always the question of whoyou replace them with. Sink is our best tighthead without question. Mako has weaknesses in the scrum but normally does ok with good locks. Outside of the scrum he's a beast with an insane workrate.
Genge is 26 so young in international prop terms and well worth investing in.
Farrell at 12 is less and less of an issue as he carries more in games. But FFS doesn't work as a combo. I want to see more of Lawrence at 13 but he has work to do to hold it over other potentials.
Genuinely think Farrell's barely international standard carrying this tournament has hoodwinked people. Yes, in a couple of matches it was better than he normally manages. It still didn't amount to much. He's a donkey.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:21 pm
by sockwithaticket
It's like Youngs against France - he's been so shit for so long that any time he plays at the level of a centurion international scrum half it looks like he's having a blinder. Farrell has raised himself in the last couple of games, but he's still just adequate as an international centre and still does a lot of things that hamper our attack.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:22 pm
by Slick
Margin__Walker wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:10 pm
I'm not fussed on Genge. He's not really getting a lot better and isn't good enough to carry the aggro. Marler still our best LH, but obviously less likely to be a long term option.
Sinkler is fine. I actually don't mind Ewels as 4th/5th choice locks go, but there are clearly much better options. Hill on the other hand is one that is clearly helped massively by playing for that Exeter team. Not up to much at all.
I think Genge has grown up being a tough guy and is yet to realise that at international level that doesn’t raise an eyebrow amongst extremely tough people. Sinkler came in with a similar attitude and changed pretty quickly which also made him a much better player.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:40 pm
by Margin__Walker
Slick wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:22 pm
Margin__Walker wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:10 pm
I'm not fussed on Genge. He's not really getting a lot better and isn't good enough to carry the aggro. Marler still our best LH, but obviously less likely to be a long term option.
Sinkler is fine. I actually don't mind Ewels as 4th/5th choice locks go, but there are clearly much better options. Hill on the other hand is one that is clearly helped massively by playing for that Exeter team. Not up to much at all.
I think Genge has grown up being a tough guy and is yet to realise that at international level that doesn’t raise an eyebrow amongst extremely tough people. Sinkler came in with a similar attitude and changed pretty quickly which also made him a much better player.
Pretty much. Genge is 26 now, not some young tyro. The aggro and attitude is pretty boring and gets him nowhere on the pitch. Different position, but someone like Curry plays with just as much aggression. Just with more skill and less attitude.
Still plenty of time on his side, but he's definitely at a crossroads.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:43 pm
by Margin__Walker
He's also such an easy target for the opposition. Hold him in a ruck and he'll do something stupid every time.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:09 pm
by Raggs
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:17 pm
Raggs wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:02 pm
There's also always the question of whoyou replace them with. Sink is our best tighthead without question. Mako has weaknesses in the scrum but normally does ok with good locks. Outside of the scrum he's a beast with an insane workrate.
Genge is 26 so young in international prop terms and well worth investing in.
Farrell at 12 is less and less of an issue as he carries more in games. But FFS doesn't work as a combo. I want to see more of Lawrence at 13 but he has work to do to hold it over other potentials.
Genuinely think Farrell's barely international standard carrying this tournament has hoodwinked people. Yes, in a couple of matches it was better than he normally manages. It still didn't amount to much. He's a donkey.
I'm very aware of his weaknesses. He'll never be beating the defence easily but by running a little he stops an immediate drift, which is what was happening. Then he passes further out and it's no use, or kicks because he sees the defence has already drifted.
I'd still like to look at other options but fornow I'd drop slade over Farrell.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:14 pm
by Saint
Pirates doing a bit of a number on Bedford. 20 points to 7 before half time and the BP wrapped up, just haven;t managed to land a single conversion
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:16 pm
by Margin__Walker
Saint wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:14 pm
Pirates doing a bit of a number on Bedford. 20 points to 7 before half time and the BP wrapped up, just haven;t managed to land a single conversion
Going great this season. Is it back to a top 4 playoff this year?
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:17 pm
by SaintK
Margin__Walker wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:40 pm
Slick wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:22 pm
Margin__Walker wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:10 pm
I'm not fussed on Genge. He's not really getting a lot better and isn't good enough to carry the aggro. Marler still our best LH, but obviously less likely to be a long term option.
Sinkler is fine. I actually don't mind Ewels as 4th/5th choice locks go, but there are clearly much better options. Hill on the other hand is one that is clearly helped massively by playing for that Exeter team. Not up to much at all.
I think Genge has grown up being a tough guy and is yet to realise that at international level that doesn’t raise an eyebrow amongst extremely tough people. Sinkler came in with a similar attitude and changed pretty quickly which also made him a much better player.
Pretty much. Genge is 26 now, not some young tyro. The aggro and attitude is pretty boring and gets him nowhere on the pitch. Different position, but someone like Curry plays with just as much aggression. Just with more skill and less attitude.
Still plenty of time on his side, but he's definitely at a crossroads.
Reckon he'll be getting quite a few weeks off to reflect on where he is
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:23 pm
by Margin__Walker
Yeah saw that.
That and the incident against Wales was what I was referring to when I mentioned him being an easy target for the opposition holding him in rucks. Guaranteed to lose his shit if the game's going badly.
Will be interesting to see what comes of it, as he doesn't actually strike him with the elbow. Assume there's something in the law book to cover it though. Stupid either way
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:31 pm
by Saint
Margin__Walker wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:16 pm
Saint wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:14 pm
Pirates doing a bit of a number on Bedford. 20 points to 7 before half time and the BP wrapped up, just haven;t managed to land a single conversion
Going great this season. Is it back to a top 4 playoff this year?
2 legged playoff for the top 2 only. 11 teams, everyone playing 10 matches only - 5 home, 5 away
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:35 pm
by JM2K6
Yeah, it's grubby but if it had been picked up during the game it's a yellow, not a red.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:37 pm
by SaintK
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:35 pm
Yeah, it's grubby but if it had been picked up during the game it's a yellow, not a red.
It's on Sexton, so he'll probably get a free pass

Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:38 pm
by Margin__Walker
Cool. Definitely in with a shout.
Ealing beating Sarries again would really blow the doors off everything.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:43 pm
by Saint
Margin__Walker wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:38 pm
Cool. Definitely in with a shout.
Ealing beating Sarries again would really blow the doors off everything.
Yeah, if Ealing could beat Sarries then there's a strong chance Sarries finish 3rd or lower
27-7
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:02 pm
by Lobby
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:35 pm
Yeah, it's grubby but if it had been picked up during the game it's a yellow, not a red.
It was picked up; the ref told Genge to calm down.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:03 pm
by SaintK
Margin__Walker wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:38 pm
Cool. Definitely in with a shout.
Ealing beating Sarries again would really blow the doors off everything.

Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:07 pm
by Paddington Bear
Loz echoing a lot of what’s being said on here about England on BT
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:03 pm
by Oxbow
What the fuck is up with Nathan Hughes's hair?
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:28 pm
by sockwithaticket
That was a cracking run and try from Purdy.
On Hughes' hair - I think a lot of the shit lids we see come from lads being too big for anyone to tell them it looks horrible.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:29 pm
by Saint
We're playing a bit too much rugby at the moment
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:47 pm
by sockwithaticket
Good time for Saints to get on the board. Was starting to think they were going to punch themselves out on the white wall of Bristol's defence, but a well worked score.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:51 pm
by SaintK
Oxbow wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:03 pm
What the fuck is up with Nathan Hughes's hair?
Everything!
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:52 pm
by SaintK
sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:47 pm
Good time for Saints to get on the board. Was starting to think they were going to punch themselves out on the white wall of Bristol's defence, but a well worked score.
Lovely conversion as well
Good game
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:01 pm
by Margin__Walker
LI lucky to only be 19 - 3 down at Sale.
Sale away has been unrelentingly grim for us for the last decade or so.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:18 pm
by Saint
Ridiculous bounce
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:19 pm
by sockwithaticket
Loving this game. Both teams really trying to play.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:25 pm
by sockwithaticket
Agree with Austin, subbing Grayson seems like an odd call when he doesn't look injured and has been playing very well.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:28 pm
by Saint
We seem to have a habit of subbing off halfbacks who are playing very well
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:32 pm
by sockwithaticket
Furbank really has been looking back in form t. Him and Freeman in tandem is looking tasty.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:35 pm
by Saint
Yeah, Furbank's really re-found his game over the last month or so
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:40 pm
by Saint
Way too many basic errors
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:41 pm
by Paddington Bear
Enjoyable stuff
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:42 pm
by Saint
Oh FFS
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:42 pm
by sockwithaticket
Squeaky bum finish for both sides. Who will take the win?
Edit - crikey. Barely clicked submit and Uren does that!
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:44 pm
by Hal Jordan
Saint wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:28 pm
We seem to have a habit of subbing off halfbacks who are playing very well
Certainly did the job.
For Bristol...
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:44 pm
by Oxbow
Ah fuck's sake.
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:44 pm
by fishfoodie
that was quite a nice try

Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:51 pm
by sockwithaticket
Uren with MotM, where's ASMO?
Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:59 pm
by Margin__Walker
Margin__Walker wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:01 pm
LI lucky to only be 19 - 3 down at Sale.
Sale away has been unrelentingly grim for us for the last decade or so.
Finishes 43 - 13.
Was actually a better 2nd half from LI, but they threw two intercepts that Sale ran in and managed to concede another try in injury time when Sale were down to 13 men.
Thoroughly depressing weekend on the rugby front. .