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notfatcat wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 12:02 am I guess when you happen upon a woman who's anti-abortion you just put it down to internalised misogyny. She's probably pretending to care about unborn babies.

Gallup polls show Americans’ support for abortion in all or most cases at 80% in May 2021

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 12:18 am
... a quick Google (told) me that ...

Gallup polls show Americans’ support for abortion in all or most cases at 80% in May 2021

Wilson's Toffee wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:10 am Yet, the right to abortion still stands in the States that agree with it, and other States can agree with it, as well. What does not stand, any more, is the right of the Federal courts to usurp (i.e. infringe upon the States right to decide) authority.
Whether they condone abortion or not, is mute. The States now have a chance to unshackled themselves from overbearing Federal dictates,

convoluted wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:48 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 12:18 am
... a quick Google (told) me that ...

Gallup polls show Americans’ support for abortion in all or most cases at 80% in May 2021

^^^ So why your shrieking hysteria???
Abortion rights will now be decided by the people on a state by state basis.

average joe wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:52 am I have no problem with woman deciding what should happen to their own bodies. I have a problem with the state or anyone ells telling me I should pay for it though. And then being told I don't have a say because it's not my body, well it's my money and I should have a say in how its spent?

average joe wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:52 am I have no problem with woman deciding what should happen to their own bodies. I have a problem with the state or anyone ells telling me I should pay for it though. And then being told I don't have a say because it's not my body, well it's my money and I should have a say in how its spent?

average joe wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:52 am I have no problem with woman deciding what should happen to their own bodies. I have a problem with the state or anyone ells telling me I should pay for it though. And then being told I don't have a say because it's not my body, well it's my money and I should have a say in how its spent?

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:56 am

Wilson's Toffee wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:10 am Yet, the right to abortion still stands in the States that agree with it, and other States can agree with it, as well. What does not stand, any more, is the right of the Federal courts to usurp (i.e. infringe upon the States right to decide) authority.
Whether they condone abortion or not, is mute. The States now have a chance to unshackled themselves from overbearing Federal dictates,

Yet, a mere 24 hours previously, they'd taken the opposite view when overturning a NY State gun control law.

Kiwias wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 8:48 am

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:56 am

Wilson's Toffee wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:10 am Yet, the right to abortion still stands in the States that agree with it, and other States can agree with it, as well. What does not stand, any more, is the right of the Federal courts to usurp (i.e. infringe upon the States right to decide) authority.
Whether they condone abortion or not, is mute. The States now have a chance to unshackled themselves from overbearing Federal dictates,

Yet, a mere 24 hours previously, they'd taken the opposite view when overturning a NY State gun control law.

We must all have missed WT's post declaring his outrage at such a blatant usurpation (usurpery?) of state's rights in that case.

average joe wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:52 am I have no problem with woman deciding what should happen to their own bodies. I have a problem with the state or anyone ells telling me I should pay for it though. And then being told I don't have a say because it's not my body, well it's my money and I should have a say in how its spent?

sefton wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 7:24 am

average joe wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:52 am I have no problem with woman deciding what should happen to their own bodies. I have a problem with the state or anyone ells telling me I should pay for it though. And then being told I don't have a say because it's not my body, well it's my money and I should have a say in how its spent?

So do you believe you should have a say over all health spending?

average joe wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:07 am I don't think it's fair that a 16 year old girl gets her 3rd abortion and I have to fit the bill via taxation, and I don't get to have a say just because I was born with dangly bits between my legs.
It's my hard earned money and I get taxed into oblivion as it is so that SA politicians can line their pockets. Why should I pay for some young lady somewhere to have unprotected sex?
If you get banged up because of a promiscuous lifestyle and decide you want to abort then pay for it with your own damn money.

Why should you get a free abortion any and every time you get banged up if my mom had to pay out of her own pocket for breast reconstruction after her mastectomy?

average joe wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:07 am I don't think it's fair that a 16 year old girl gets her 3rd abortion and I have to fit the bill via taxation, and I don't get to have a say just because I was born with dangly bits between my legs.
It's my hard earned money and I get taxed into oblivion as it is so that SA politicians can line their pockets. Why should I pay for some young lady somewhere to have unprotected sex?
If you get banged up because of a promiscuous lifestyle and decide you want to abort then pay for it with your own damn money.

Why should you get a free abortion any and every time you get banged up if my mom had to pay out of her own pocket for breast reconstruction after her mastectomy?

average joe wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:07 am I don't think it's fair that a 16 year old girl gets her 3rd abortion and I have to fit the bill via taxation, and I don't get to have a say just because I was born with dangly bits between my legs.
It's my hard earned money and I get taxed into oblivion as it is so that SA politicians can line their pockets. Why should I pay for some young lady somewhere to have unprotected sex?
If you get banged up because of a promiscuous lifestyle and decide you want to abort then pay for it with your own damn money.

Why should you get a free abortion any and every time you get banged up if my mom had to pay out of her own pocket for breast reconstruction after her mastectomy?

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:52 am

average joe wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:07 am I don't think it's fair that a 16 year old girl gets her 3rd abortion and I have to fit the bill via taxation, and I don't get to have a say just because I was born with dangly bits between my legs.
It's my hard earned money and I get taxed into oblivion as it is so that SA politicians can line their pockets. Why should I pay for some young lady somewhere to have unprotected sex?
If you get banged up because of a promiscuous lifestyle and decide you want to abort then pay for it with your own damn money.

Why should you get a free abortion any and every time you get banged up if my mom had to pay out of her own pocket for breast reconstruction after her mastectomy?

Presumably there's a lad or lads involved in your grim little '3 abortions by 16' scenario. Possibly an uncle. Or maybe a brother. Are you suggesting this girl bears all the responsibility for her pregnancy and the equally "promiscuous" father(s) needn't concern themselves with contraception and the like? Is it all the girl's fault for being a slut who couldn't keep her legs crossed?

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:14 am

average joe wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:07 am I don't think it's fair that a 16 year old girl gets her 3rd abortion and I have to fit the bill via taxation, and I don't get to have a say just because I was born with dangly bits between my legs.
It's my hard earned money and I get taxed into oblivion as it is so that SA politicians can line their pockets. Why should I pay for some young lady somewhere to have unprotected sex?
If you get banged up because of a promiscuous lifestyle and decide you want to abort then pay for it with your own damn money.

Why should you get a free abortion any and every time you get banged up if my mom had to pay out of her own pocket for breast reconstruction after her mastectomy?

So, what's the solution?

Vanishingly few women use abortion as birth control, there will be a few of course, but much like benefit cheats, that minority are part of the price for making something vital available to those who need it.

Onto your specific extreme edge case, a 16 year old on her 3rd abortion most likely has some issues going on whether it's as simple as being too uneducated to know about contraception or perhaps historic abuse leading to hypersexuality at a young age. Whatever it is they're unlikely to be fit to bring a child into the world and raise it, yet also unlikely to be able to afford their own abortions if forced to pay for it, so what's the solution?

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:32 am

average joe wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:07 am I don't think it's fair that a 16 year old girl gets her 3rd abortion and I have to fit the bill via taxation, and I don't get to have a say just because I was born with dangly bits between my legs.
It's my hard earned money and I get taxed into oblivion as it is so that SA politicians can line their pockets. Why should I pay for some young lady somewhere to have unprotected sex?
If you get banged up because of a promiscuous lifestyle and decide you want to abort then pay for it with your own damn money.

Why should you get a free abortion any and every time you get banged up if my mom had to pay out of her own pocket for breast reconstruction after her mastectomy?

You're now arguing both for and against elective surgery being funded. You don't even agree with yourself on this

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:52 am

average joe wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:07 am I don't think it's fair that a 16 year old girl gets her 3rd abortion and I have to fit the bill via taxation, and I don't get to have a say just because I was born with dangly bits between my legs.
It's my hard earned money and I get taxed into oblivion as it is so that SA politicians can line their pockets. Why should I pay for some young lady somewhere to have unprotected sex?
If you get banged up because of a promiscuous lifestyle and decide you want to abort then pay for it with your own damn money.

Why should you get a free abortion any and every time you get banged up if my mom had to pay out of her own pocket for breast reconstruction after her mastectomy?

Presumably there's a lad or lads involved in your grim little '3 abortions by 16' scenario. Possibly an uncle. Or maybe a brother. Are you suggesting this girl bears all the responsibility for her pregnancy and the equally "promiscuous" father(s) needn't concern themselves with contraception and the like? Is it all the girl's fault for being a slut who couldn't keep her legs crossed?

average joe wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:26 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:32 am

average joe wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:07 am I don't think it's fair that a 16 year old girl gets her 3rd abortion and I have to fit the bill via taxation, and I don't get to have a say just because I was born with dangly bits between my legs.
It's my hard earned money and I get taxed into oblivion as it is so that SA politicians can line their pockets. Why should I pay for some young lady somewhere to have unprotected sex?
If you get banged up because of a promiscuous lifestyle and decide you want to abort then pay for it with your own damn money.

Why should you get a free abortion any and every time you get banged up if my mom had to pay out of her own pocket for breast reconstruction after her mastectomy?

You're now arguing both for and against elective surgery being funded. You don't even agree with yourself on this

My mom had no say in getting cancer.

average joe wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:31 am
Don't be daft, obviously the one with the dangly bits also has a responsibility. Going into forced sex, whether it's rape or incest or both is also obviously not the case I'm arguing about here.

In South Africa, a woman of any age can get an abortion on request with no reasons given if she is less than 12 weeks pregnant. If she is between 13 and 20 weeks pregnant, she can get the abortion if (a) her own physical or mental health is at stake, (b) the baby will have severe mental or physical abnormalities, (c) she is pregnant because of incest, (d) she is pregnant because of rape, or (e) she is of the personal opinion that her economic or social situation is sufficient reason for the termination of pregnancy. If she is more than 20 weeks pregnant, she can get the abortion only if her or the fetus' life is in danger or there are likely to be serious birth defects

convoluted wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:48 am

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 12:18 am
... a quick Google (told) me that ...

Gallup polls show Americans’ support for abortion in all or most cases at 80% in May 2021

^^^ So why your shrieking hysteria???
Abortion rights will now be decided by the people on a state by state basis.
Given your quoted statistic, we can surely expect every state to overwhelmingly grant women abortion on demand.

Or, you Silly Billy, have you once more allowed your MSM manipulators to make an ass of you yet again by conning you into believing that today's decision makes abortions illegal throughout the United States forevermore ???

There are currently no abortion bans that attempt to prosecute women who cross state lines to seek an abortion.

However, states could try in the future, said David Cohen, a law professor at Drexel University. “There is no guarantee that an aggressive prosecutor might try to stretch the law as much as they can.”

In his concurring decision, Justice Brett Kavanaugh suggested that women who travel to neighboring states to receive an abortion would be protected by the constitutional right to interstate travel.

People who assist a women seeking an abortion in a neighboring state could also be at risk of prosecution.

“It’s hard to tell at this point, but I think it’s likely that [the prosecutors] will go after the people that help the woman get the abortion,” he said. “The person who drives them, the doctor who sees them.”

Both Texas and Oklahoma recently passed abortion bans that allow private citizens to sue people who perform abortions or who otherwise help someone get one.

Many organizations are still encouraging patients who cannot seek an abortion in their home state to travel across state lines to receive care, including a handful of companies that have pledged to cover travel expenses for employees who need abortions.

“People should travel, people should get care wherever they can,” said Mr. Cohen. “But it’s not a simple answer.”

Calculon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:04 am

average joe wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:31 am
Don't be daft, obviously the one with the dangly bits also has a responsibility. Going into forced sex, whether it's rape or incest or both is also obviously not the case I'm arguing about here.

Where are you from in SA? SA has a very low rate of abortion, 4.3 per 100 000 women according to the web, and as far as I can tell, that rate has also been on a steady decline for years.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... by-country

There is still a problem with illegal abortions, but presumable you don’t have a problem with them since they aren’t tax payer funded. The idea that it is not only common, but indeed according to you very common, for girls 16 and younger to be on their third abortion because they like sex too much, and for there to be no form of abuse involved is fairly extraordinary.

FWIW I think SA’s abortion laws are pretty sensible

In South Africa, a woman of any age can get an abortion on request with no reasons given if she is less than 12 weeks pregnant. If she is between 13 and 20 weeks pregnant, she can get the abortion if (a) her own physical or mental health is at stake, (b) the baby will have severe mental or physical abnormalities, (c) she is pregnant because of incest, (d) she is pregnant because of rape, or (e) she is of the personal opinion that her economic or social situation is sufficient reason for the termination of pregnancy. If she is more than 20 weeks pregnant, she can get the abortion only if her or the fetus' life is in danger or there are likely to be serious birth defects

Iain(bobbity) wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:03 pm The Arkansas law that is in effect as of today has no exceptions for rape or incest.

It has no exceptions for medical conditions that will cause still birth or death shortly after birth.

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:13 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 12:43 pm well done, enjoyed that!

Was that meant to be a text to your missus?

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 5:54 pm When Fester? Many many years ago

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:07 am

laurent wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:43 am

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 5:54 pm When Fester? Many many years ago

Not that long ago : 4 years

That's a myth. Many many abortions were carried out each year legally and within hospitals long prior to 4 years ago. Savita was a medical error not that they didn't have the tools available to them. Giving an abortion for mental health reasons was happening anyway but fully approved following the x case in the early 90's. This was because after 1983 the mother's life was equal. The numbers of abortions per year from what I recall were certainly in the 100's. I've never understood how this was not clearly understood.