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Kiwias wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:37 am https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/ge ... 022-12-06/

The biggest surprise is that it was so close.

Snooze wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:01 pm

Kiwias wrote: Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:37 am https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/ge ... 022-12-06/

The biggest surprise is that it was so close.

This. We were talking about it last night. Walker is not only brain dead as is obvious by his debates (or running from them), but has at least 2 women claiming abuse and that he paid for their abortions (he is meant to be anti-abortion). He also claims he's a police officer when he's not, etc. etc.

How can anyone, anyone, think he is fit for office, no matter how staunch a Republican you are. Fuck me.

TB63 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:59 am Batshit crazy....

TB63 wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:59 am Batshit crazy....

Raggs wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 1:53 pm Control over a woman's body, no sex without marriage (more important for the women to follow), slavery, death penalty for numerous crimes, homophobic. They've read their bibles, better than those that think it's all love and peace.

bok_viking wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 2:22 pm

Raggs wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 1:53 pm Control over a woman's body, no sex without marriage (more important for the women to follow), slavery, death penalty for numerous crimes, homophobic. They've read their bibles, better than those that think it's all love and peace.

Haha the problem is they seem to be stuck in the old testament. If they want to be stuck there, they should not be calling on Jesus in their prayers because many of Jesus' teachings was about doing away with a lot of the old rules. Maybe they should go back to Jehovah and call on him directly as was done in the Old Testament

Raggs wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:06 pm

bok_viking wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 2:22 pm

Raggs wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 1:53 pm Control over a woman's body, no sex without marriage (more important for the women to follow), slavery, death penalty for numerous crimes, homophobic. They've read their bibles, better than those that think it's all love and peace.

Haha the problem is they seem to be stuck in the old testament. If they want to be stuck there, they should not be calling on Jesus in their prayers because many of Jesus' teachings was about doing away with a lot of the old rules. Maybe they should go back to Jehovah and call on him directly as was done in the Old Testament

Fairly sure none of those were removed in the new testament.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:53 pm

Raggs wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:06 pm

bok_viking wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 2:22 pm

Haha the problem is they seem to be stuck in the old testament. If they want to be stuck there, they should not be calling on Jesus in their prayers because many of Jesus' teachings was about doing away with a lot of the old rules. Maybe they should go back to Jehovah and call on him directly as was done in the Old Testament

Fairly sure none of those were removed in the new testament.

The NT does take steps to say the persecution doesn't come so much from a place of righteous anger but rather is done out of love and care

Raggs wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:05 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:53 pm

Raggs wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:06 pm

Fairly sure none of those were removed in the new testament.

The NT does take steps to say the persecution doesn't come so much from a place of righteous anger but rather is done out of love and care

So when I'm enslaved, killed and sent to burn in hellfire, it's because someone loves me, that'll make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside . In the end, the batshit insane intolerant right, are closer to what the bible calls for than the left for the most part.

fishfoodie wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:05 am Part of my journey to atheism was just having a critical eye to what we were told was,"God's Word", & how the religious bureaucracy turn that into bullshit !

Moses got ten commandments that could be carved on two stone tables, & the Hebrew Religious Civil Service turned that into massive amount of crappy little rules around what you could eat & when etc, etc, etc

Then they sat around waiting for a Messiah, & when a small part of the community said; "Hey, this guy here is the Messiah !", he looked at the mess that the relatively simple set of rules had become, & he dumbed it down even further ....

"Love one & other, as I have loved you !"

Somehow even that simple fucking message can't be processed, & now so many Evangelical Christians; & they are focused on Hating, rather than Loving their fellow man.

The bottom line is that the more pious they claim to be, the bigger the fucking hypocrite they'll be !

Niegs wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 6:27 am Kind of insane, but I feel for the guy. What do you do when your neighbourhood has that much vandalism and crime?

fishfoodie wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:05 am Part of my journey to atheism was just having a critical eye to what we were told was,"God's Word", & how the religious bureaucracy turn that into bullshit !

Moses got ten commandments that could be carved on two stone tables, & the Hebrew Religious Civil Service turned that into massive amount of crappy little rules around what you could eat & when etc, etc, etc

Then they sat around waiting for a Messiah, & when a small part of the community said; "Hey, this guy here is the Messiah !", he looked at the mess that the relatively simple set of rules had become, & he dumbed it down even further ....

"Love one & other, as I have loved you !"

Somehow even that simple fucking message can't be processed, & now so many Evangelical Christians; & they are focused on Hating, rather than Loving their fellow man.

The bottom line is that the more pious they claim to be, the bigger the fucking hypocrite they'll be !

Raggs wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 7:44 am

fishfoodie wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:05 am Part of my journey to atheism was just having a critical eye to what we were told was,"God's Word", & how the religious bureaucracy turn that into bullshit !

Moses got ten commandments that could be carved on two stone tables, & the Hebrew Religious Civil Service turned that into massive amount of crappy little rules around what you could eat & when etc, etc, etc

Then they sat around waiting for a Messiah, & when a small part of the community said; "Hey, this guy here is the Messiah !", he looked at the mess that the relatively simple set of rules had become, & he dumbed it down even further ....

"Love one & other, as I have loved you !"

Somehow even that simple fucking message can't be processed, & now so many Evangelical Christians; & they are focused on Hating, rather than Loving their fellow man.

The bottom line is that the more pious they claim to be, the bigger the fucking hypocrite they'll be !

Actually Moses got a lot more instructions, which is most of Leviticus and maybe another book, can't remember. Jesus was fine with the death penalty and good with slavery too. He certainly wasn't some hippy type by our standards.

The other issue you've got is the suggestion that the Bible was wrong in places in the old testament. Or worse, god was wrong. The evangelicals have it pretty close I'd say. It's not a loving religion, the whole Jesus loves you is just propaganda to try and cover up the fact it isn't.

To try and bring it around, the Christian us right can rely heavily on religion to drive votes, which probably brings them quite a few votes from some immigrants too, who vote more on faith than what's actually good for them. And then seemingly miss the fact that the republicans don't seem to live by Christian law themselves, just want too impose it on others.

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:22 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:05 am Part of my journey to atheism was just having a critical eye to what we were told was,"God's Word", & how the religious bureaucracy turn that into bullshit !

Moses got ten commandments that could be carved on two stone tables, & the Hebrew Religious Civil Service turned that into massive amount of crappy little rules around what you could eat & when etc, etc, etc

Then they sat around waiting for a Messiah, & when a small part of the community said; "Hey, this guy here is the Messiah !", he looked at the mess that the relatively simple set of rules had become, & he dumbed it down even further ....

"Love one & other, as I have loved you !"

Somehow even that simple fucking message can't be processed, & now so many Evangelical Christians; & they are focused on Hating, rather than Loving their fellow man.

The bottom line is that the more pious they claim to be, the bigger the fucking hypocrite they'll be !

The bible is a big book - well, collection of books. You can make it say whatever you want which is rather open to abuse.

To be fair, on the "crappy little rules" Most ofthe food hygeine ones were sensible for the time and region. A friend who is now a rabbi made this point. I then reminded her that she had a refrigerator and didn't that make them seem rather out of date.

My tolerance for religion drops daily while my tolerance for most other things goes the other way.

Brazil wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:43 pm

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:22 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:05 am Part of my journey to atheism was just having a critical eye to what we were told was,"God's Word", & how the religious bureaucracy turn that into bullshit !

Moses got ten commandments that could be carved on two stone tables, & the Hebrew Religious Civil Service turned that into massive amount of crappy little rules around what you could eat & when etc, etc, etc

Then they sat around waiting for a Messiah, & when a small part of the community said; "Hey, this guy here is the Messiah !", he looked at the mess that the relatively simple set of rules had become, & he dumbed it down even further ....

"Love one & other, as I have loved you !"

Somehow even that simple fucking message can't be processed, & now so many Evangelical Christians; & they are focused on Hating, rather than Loving their fellow man.

The bottom line is that the more pious they claim to be, the bigger the fucking hypocrite they'll be !

The bible is a big book - well, collection of books. You can make it say whatever you want which is rather open to abuse.

To be fair, on the "crappy little rules" Most ofthe food hygeine ones were sensible for the time and region. A friend who is now a rabbi made this point. I then reminded her that she had a refrigerator and didn't that make them seem rather out of date.

My tolerance for religion drops daily while my tolerance for most other things goes the other way.

They don't really, and we know from archaeology that people in the region were eating plenty of pigs, so the prohibition there is cultural rather than anything to do with hygiene. Same for not cooking meat in milk, which the Romans do famously well without ill effect.

Raggs wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:55 pm
Pigs weren't even exclusively named. It prevent hyraxes, rabbits and camels from being eaten too, that could have helped them a lot. Seafood restrictions also prevented squid, catfish and eels.

The meat and dairy thing wasn't a dietary restriction as such, it was due to a nearby tribe/belief that if you cook a baby goat in it's mothers milk, and eat it, it's lucky or something. Then paranoia that someone may trick them, or they might make a mistake, pushed that to every meat (including tuna for some) and any type of dairy product being even served together, or within so much time.

Brazil wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:09 pm

Raggs wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:55 pm
Pigs weren't even exclusively named. It prevent hyraxes, rabbits and camels from being eaten too, that could have helped them a lot. Seafood restrictions also prevented squid, catfish and eels.

The meat and dairy thing wasn't a dietary restriction as such, it was due to a nearby tribe/belief that if you cook a baby goat in it's mothers milk, and eat it, it's lucky or something. Then paranoia that someone may trick them, or they might make a mistake, pushed that to every meat (including tuna for some) and any type of dairy product being even served together, or within so much time.

Did they include beavers and otters in the aquatic restrictions? Christians used to eat beaver (snigger) on fridays on the grounds that it lived in the water, so clearly wasn't subject to the prohibition on meat.

My mates who keep a kosher household have separate fridges for meat and dairy. Oh how they laughed when somebody accidentally put sausages in the dairy one during a barbecue.

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Raggs wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:05 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:53 pm

Raggs wrote: Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:06 pm

Fairly sure none of those were removed in the new testament.

The NT does take steps to say the persecution doesn't come so much from a place of righteous anger but rather is done out of love and care

So when I'm enslaved, killed and sent to burn in hellfire, it's because someone loves me, that'll make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside . In the end, the batshit insane intolerant right, are closer to what the bible calls for than the left for the most part.

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AMERICA NEEDS A SUPERHERO! I will be making a MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT tomorrow. Thank you!

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AMERICA NEEDS A SUPERHERO! I will be making a MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT tomorrow. Thank you!

EnergiseR2 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:56 pm I see his announcement was, drumroll, a tin of superhero cards. He can still teabag people with the best of them

EnergiseR2 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:14 pm He will hopefully fade away now. From his own point of view that would be best. If he's no threat they might ignore his more stupid shit. Fuck knows who else the American right will come up with though

Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:09 pm The threat isn't the grifting loudmouth. It's the reasonable seeming man in a smart suit that doesn't have the lunatic baggage. He's the one that walks through the door Trump opened, and delivers the horror show vision of America the GOP is touting

EnergiseR2 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:56 pm I see his announcement was, drumroll, a tin of superhero cards. He can still teabag people with the best of them

Blackmac wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:16 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:56 pm I see his announcement was, drumroll, a tin of superhero cards. He can still teabag people with the best of them

Sold out within two days. Unbelievable.

robmatic wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:19 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:09 pm The threat isn't the grifting loudmouth. It's the reasonable seeming man in a smart suit that doesn't have the lunatic baggage. He's the one that walks through the door Trump opened, and delivers the horror show vision of America the GOP is touting

There's now a young generation of right wing types who are basically looney tunes. That for me is the concerning thing.

JM2K6 wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:38 pm

robmatic wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:19 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:09 pm The threat isn't the grifting loudmouth. It's the reasonable seeming man in a smart suit that doesn't have the lunatic baggage. He's the one that walks through the door Trump opened, and delivers the horror show vision of America the GOP is touting

There's now a young generation of right wing types who are basically looney tunes. That for me is the concerning thing.

Plus all the nightmare conspiracy theorists. There was a large but unsurprising study that showed zero effectiveness for Ivermectin the other day - Twitter was absolutely awash with absolute psychos banging their conspiracy drums. Incredible numbers of total mentalists.