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After years of MMP kingmaking it would be very refreshing to see Labour win the mandate to govern alone.

Can they do it?

Enzedder wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:09 am Looking at Crushers comments over the last few days, I cannot help but think she is aiming her comments at the National Party faithful instead of the swing voter

Too easily rebutted when she goes with the bullshit (e.g. Labour will be forced to implement the wealth tax or the Greens will bring it in when she's on holiday with Shaw as deputy P.M.) and the fat-shaming post for old big-hips - WTAF?

Makes it possible that the debate tomorrow gets a bit feral.

As some commentators have said, she may not be there to win but more to make sure its not a bloodbath. If she can get her base to back her she might still have a job after the election.

Still can't see them getting up, with any bleed from labour's vote likely to have a boost to the greens to keep them above 5%

Jimmy Smallsteps wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:26 am After years of MMP kingmaking it would be very refreshing to see Labour win the mandate to govern alone.

Can they do it?

The Greens never seem to do as well as they poll. Seems that they can answer the phone but can't get off their asses to vote.

Enzedder wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:02 am

Jimmy Smallsteps wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:26 am After years of MMP kingmaking it would be very refreshing to see Labour win the mandate to govern alone.

Can they do it?

The Greens never seem to do as well as they poll. Seems that they can answer the phone but can't get off their asses to vote.

The Marijuana referendum may help them .

WTAF:

Voted

mat the expat wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:25 am WTAF:

New Conservatives, innit. Bunch of fundy Xtian nutjobs that expat Saffer fundy Xtian nutjobs find appealing.

Survivor of Apartheid = Chickenrunner?

mat the expat wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:18 am Survivor of Apartheid = Chickenrunner?

Yes, of course. Who else would use that term?

Also... there’s nothing ‘new’ about being conservative. They’re just using the term to brand their revamped line of hatred for all things not white, xtian and ironically anti immigration.

Needs more of this:

Holy shit - this is a bloodbath.

I would really LOVE IT is Ilam went red though (it wont)

Yep, it's looking like a landslide. Would this be the first time a party could govern alone, if they wanted to, under MMP?

Enzedder wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:46 am Holy shit - this is a bloodbath.

I would really LOVE IT is Ilam went red though (it wont)

Ilam may go red - Labour have a 2,000+ lead currently with a quarter of the vote counted.

Jb1981 wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:07 am

Enzedder wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:46 am Holy shit - this is a bloodbath.

I would really LOVE IT is Ilam went red though (it wont)

Ilam may go red - Labour have a 2,000+ lead currently with a quarter of the vote counted.

Interesting. Not making any comment but just pointing out that its interesting

Gumboot wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:05 am Yep, it's looking like a landslide. Would this be the first time a party could govern alone, if they wanted to, under MMP?

I believe it would be and it could pose an interesting predicament. Would Labour be better to keep Green voters onside by having them in Government (knowing they could out vote them if needed) or would they choose to go alone?

Monkey Magic wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:08 am

Jb1981 wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:07 am

Enzedder wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:46 am Holy shit - this is a bloodbath.

I would really LOVE IT is Ilam went red though (it wont)

Ilam may go red - Labour have a 2,000+ lead currently with a quarter of the vote counted.

Interesting. Not making any comment but just pointing out that its interesting

Interesting.

Shanky’s mate wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:19 am

Monkey Magic wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:08 am

Jb1981 wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:07 am

Ilam may go red - Labour have a 2,000+ lead currently with a quarter of the vote counted.

Interesting. Not making any comment but just pointing out that its interesting

Interesting.

Very interesting.

Ilam goneski

Wild Beef wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:08 am Ilam goneski

girthquake

Gumboot wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:13 am

Wild Beef wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:08 am Ilam goneski

girthquake

Personal choice

Please! Bye bye Gerry. Don't let the door hit your fat, useless arse on the way out.

Ted. wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:19 am Please! Bye bye Gerry. Don't let the door hit your fat, useless arse on the way out.

He’ll still be in parliament because of his place on the list, unfortunately.

FujiKiwi wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:43 am

Ted. wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:19 am Please! Bye bye Gerry. Don't let the door hit your fat, useless arse on the way out.

He’ll still be in parliament because of his place on the list, unfortunately.

We can but dream. Maybe they'll regig the list before parliament sits again.

Ted. wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:02 am

FujiKiwi wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:43 am

Ted. wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:19 am Please! Bye bye Gerry. Don't let the door hit your fat, useless arse on the way out.

He’ll still be in parliament because of his place on the list, unfortunately.

We can but dream. Maybe they'll regig the list before parliament sits again.

On one hand they’ll want to keep as much experience as they can but this as a butt kicking of magnificent proportions and he’s lost a blue ribband seat.

The Nats might just go for a big brave clean out.

I voted for Labour both party and candidate in North Shore electorate.

I voted TOP because I’m a fucking rebel and nobody tells me what to do.

Wild Beef wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:17 am I voted TOP because I’m a fucking rebel and nobody tells me what to do.

Do you mean that anyone voting Labour was told to?

Kiwias wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:13 am I voted for Labour both party and candidate in North Shore electorate.

Same for me in Whanganui. Hipango was hopeless.

Kiwias wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:22 am

Wild Beef wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:17 am I voted TOP because I’m a fucking rebel and nobody tells me what to do.

Do you mean that anyone voting Labour was told to?

No just being and edgy, cool and voting for my cool little hipster party.

Oh well, we'll see what this "change" kool-aid really brings.

Happy to see the tired old conservative bullshit take a giant kick in the balls though.

Jacinda wins, is that a good thing?

Wild Beef wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:33 am

Kiwias wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:22 am

Wild Beef wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:17 am I voted TOP because I’m a fucking rebel and nobody tells me what to do.

Do you mean that anyone voting Labour was told to?

No just being and edgy, cool and voting for my cool little hipster party.

What is your cause?

ASMO wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:41 am Jacinda wins, is that a good thing?

I get the sense most kiwi boredies think so. Maybe we’re representative of the wider kiwi population?

ASMO wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:41 am Jacinda wins, is that a good thing?

Jacinda is a decent leader and a decent politician. Her party falls over a bit on those capable of backing her up as far as I see.
I personally think a good leader with a good profile around the world should serve us pretty well, perhaps allowing us to slip a foot in the door where we may have been shut out.

Her bunch aren't hardcore lefty weirdo's which the polls have shown. There's enough there to be optimistic.

ASMO wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:41 am Jacinda wins, is that a good thing?

Yes, I’m happy with that. Her first term was a difficult coalition with an obstructive partner ideologically unsuited. It looks as if they may be able to govern alone, a first for any party under the NZ MMP electoral system. That being the case I’m keen to see them push through with some of the policy initiatives that they’ve made little ground on, to somewhat justifiable criticism.

Kiwias wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:42 am

Wild Beef wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:33 am

Kiwias wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:22 am

Do you mean that anyone voting Labour was told to?

No just being and edgy, cool and voting for my cool little hipster party.

What is your cause?

Labour is a vote for more of the same, and I think serious changes are needed. Inequality is getting worse and house prices are going insane. Labour won’t fix this.

Shanky’s mate wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:06 am

Ted. wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:02 am

FujiKiwi wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:43 am

He’ll still be in parliament because of his place on the list, unfortunately.

We can but dream. Maybe they'll regig the list before parliament sits again.

On one hand they’ll want to keep as much experience as they can but this as a butt kicking of magnificent proportions and he’s lost a blue ribband seat.

The Nats might just go for a big brave clean out.

You'd hope so. They're pretty much bereft of fresh people and ideas at the top, as far as I can see.

Wild Beef wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:51 am

Kiwias wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:42 am

Wild Beef wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:33 am

No just being and edgy, cool and voting for my cool little hipster party.

What is your cause?

Labour is a vote for more of the same, and I think serious changes are needed. Inequality is getting worse and house prices are going insane. Labour won’t fix this.

Started by John keys government mate

Jimmy Smallsteps wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:26 am After years of MMP kingmaking it would be very refreshing to see Labour win the mandate to govern alone.

Can they do it?

Oh yes Churchill, yes.

My home electorate, Rangitata, goes red. Unbelievable.

I know the boundaries were redrawn in the naughties letting a lot of those lefty South Canterbury cunts in, but still, remarkable.