Heineken Champions/Challenge Cup 2022 Semi-Finals Weekend

[CM11]

Who was asking us to compare teams? I suppose we'll have to wait till next weekend for an exact comparison.

[CM11]

Kerr-Barlow is out for the final. Huge blow for La Rochelle, he is the player that settled West.

Is there much French concern about the current format and having to contend with Irish teams? They have consistently been getting teams into the latter stages of the competition, and winning outright a reasonable amount of the time.

La Rochelle have got a must win T14 match on Saturday against Stade Francais.

Leinster play Munster in the URC.

Compare the teams that play on Saturday with those that played the semi-final.

Ah, here it is. And actually, the semi was mentioned, my bad, so we can do that comparison now.

All yours Toga.

[Kawazaki]

Kerr-Barlow is out for the final. Huge blow for La Rochelle, he is the player that settled West.

Is there much French concern about the current format and having to contend with Irish teams? They have consistently been getting teams into the latter stages of the competition, and winning outright a reasonable amount of the time.

La Rochelle have got a must win T14 match on Saturday against Stade Francais.

Leinster play Munster in the URC.

Compare the teams that play on Saturday with those that played the semi-final.

Ah, here it is. And actually, the semi was mentioned, my bad, so we can do that comparison now.

All yours Toga.

What?

[CM11]

Compare the La Rochelle/Leinster sides this weekend and last.

I think you were implying La Rochelle would be playing loads who played last weekend?

[SaintK]

Wrong thread!!!

[Kawazaki]

Compare the La Rochelle/Leinster sides this weekend and last.

I think you were implying La Rochelle would be playing loads who played last weekend?

Well post the teams up then.

[CM11]

Compare the La Rochelle/Leinster sides this weekend and last.

I think you were implying La Rochelle would be playing loads who played last weekend?

Well post the teams up then.

Your point to prove.

Spoiler: La Rochelle changed nearly the entire team.

[Kawazaki]

Compare the La Rochelle/Leinster sides this weekend and last.

I think you were implying La Rochelle would be playing loads who played last weekend?

Well post the teams up then.

Your point to prove.

Spoiler: La Rochelle changed nearly the entire team.

That's pathetic foruming

[CM11]

Well post the teams up then.

Your point to prove.

Spoiler: La Rochelle changed nearly the entire team.

That's pathetic foruming

Just own the fact you called it wrong, toga. For once.

[Kawazaki]

Your point to prove.

Spoiler: La Rochelle changed nearly the entire team.

That's pathetic foruming

Just own the fact you called it wrong, toga. For once.

Let's compare the teams then! Post them up.

[Glaston]

That's pathetic foruming

Just own the fact you called it wrong, toga. For once.

Let's compare the teams then! Post them up.

Couple of bench players last week are in this weeks 23

Last week:
15Keenan
14J O'Brien
13Ringrose
12Henshaw
11Lowe
10Sexton
9Gibson-Park
1Porter
2Kelleher
3Furlong
4Molony
5Ryan
6Doris
7van der Flier
8Conan

Substitutes

16Sheehan
17Healy
18Alaalatoa
19McCarthy
20Ruddock
21McGrath
22R Byrne
23Frawley

v Munster
15. Jordan Larmour
14. Rob Russell
13. Jamie Osborne
12. Ciarán Frawley
11. Rory O’Loughlin
10. Harry Byrne
9. Cormac Foley

1. Ed Byrne (C)
2. Seán Cronin
3. Thomas Clarkson
4. Joe McCarthy
5. Josh Murphy
6. Ryan Baird
7. Scott Penny
8. Max Deegan
Replacements

16. John McKee
17. Peter Dooley
18. Cian Healy
19. Devin Toner
20. Alex Soroka
21. Ben Murphy
22. David Hawkshaw
23. Adam Byrne


Munster pretty much have their quarter final team playing

[Kawazaki]

Leinster team that played in the HEC semifinal selected to play in the URC against Munster...

Keenan rested
J O'Brien rested
Ringrose rested
Henshaw rested
Lowe rested
Sexton rested
Gibson-Park rested
Porter rested
Kelleher rested
Furlong rested
Molony rested
Ryan rested
Doris rested
van der Flier rested
Conan rested

Substitutes

Sheehan rested
Healy sub v Munster
Alaalatoa rested
McCarthy rested
Ruddock rested
McGrath rested
R Byrne rested
Frawley starting v Munster!

[CM11]

And La Rochelle have rested 13 for their 'must win' game.

We have no reason to play any of the 23 as we have already topped the table.

[Kawazaki]

And La Rochelle have rested 13 for their 'must win' game.

We have no reason to play any of the 23 as we have already topped the table.

Put the team up then. Including subs.

[CM11]

And La Rochelle have rested 13 for their 'must win' game.

We have no reason to play any of the 23 as we have already topped the table.

Put the team up then. Including subs.

La Rochelle: Leyds; Favre, Sinzelle, Danty, Rhule; West, Kerr-Barlow; Priso, Bourgarit, Atonio, Lavault, Picquette, Liebenberg, Vito, Alldritt

Replacements: Bosch, Wardi, Sclavi, Sazy, Haddad, Retiere, Botia, Retiere

Popelin, Pi. Boudehent, Danty, Botia, Retière - Plisson, Berjon - Haddad, Vito, Bourdeau - Tanguy, Sazy - Sclavi, Bosch, Wardi
Subs : Lagrange, Aouf, Ployet, Della-Schiava, Buliruarua, Bertschy, Alonso Munoz, Herrera

[CM11]

And in the end, both sides win anyway.

[Camroc2]

Toga chasing a win here

Whilst simultaneously arguing on the English thread that Irish style academies are the way to go for the English clubs.

[Torquemada 1420]

...........and LaR's team for this weekend only has 2 of last weeks starters in the 15.

The French don't put out weak teams, oh no !

Eh? Who said that? The reverse in fact. Maybe reading and/or comprehension is a problem for you but it's been repeatedly said that T14 sides do field weakened sides
- Europe
- away games
precisely because the T14 is so long and so attritional. So thanks for acknowledging the point.

Meantime,
Treviso 69 - Cardiff 21

And a 2nd string Leinster defeats Munster.

What was it we were arguing? Oh. Yes. That
- Leinster doesn't have to fatigue key players
- because the quality of opponents in URC is poor

Going back to your half baked "evidence", even if T14 sides did not field weakened sides, there is a major contextual issue in that game
- they have a Euro final next week....... which they are going to lose but were never going to risk key players for
- especially when they were at home to a Paris side who had nothing to play for and just wanted to head to the beach

[Kawazaki]

Toga chasing a win here

Whilst simultaneously arguing on the English thread that Irish style academies are the way to go for the English clubs.

England clubs can't have an 'Irish style'* academy as they are subject to a salary cap.




* There's nothing Irish about academies. Irish hubris really knows no bounds.

[CM11]

Toga chasing a win here

Whilst simultaneously arguing on the English thread that Irish style academies are the way to go for the English clubs.

England clubs can't have an 'Irish style'* academy as they are subject to a salary cap.




* There's nothing Irish about academies. Irish hubris really knows no bounds.

Academies are outside the salary cap and English clubs pay their academy players more. Indeed the upper limit for academy players was increased from £30k to £50k recently. We pay our academy players up to €12k. Your exemption for non home grown academy players is £100k which would cover our entire academy salary cost for home grown players.

Your post is even more nonsensical than usual.

[Kawazaki]

Whilst simultaneously arguing on the English thread that Irish style academies are the way to go for the English clubs.

England clubs can't have an 'Irish style'* academy as they are subject to a salary cap.




* There's nothing Irish about academies. Irish hubris really knows no bounds.

Academies are outside the salary cap and English clubs pay their academy players more. Indeed the upper limit for academy players was increased from £30k to £50k recently. We pay our academy players up to €12k. Your exemption for non home grown academy players is £100k which would cover our entire academy salary cost for home grown players.

Your post is even more nonsensical than usual.

Just about everything in your post is incorrect.

Well done.

[OomStruisbaai]

Whilst simultaneously arguing on the English thread that Irish style academies are the way to go for the English clubs.

England clubs can't have an 'Irish style'* academy as they are subject to a salary cap.




* There's nothing Irish about academies. Irish hubris really knows no bounds.

Academies are outside the salary cap and English clubs pay their academy players more. Indeed the upper limit for academy players was increased from £30k to £50k recently. We pay our academy players up to €12k. Your exemption for non home grown academy players is £100k which would cover our entire academy salary cost for home grown players.

Your post is even more nonsensical than usual.

Is that p.a.?

[CM11]

England clubs can't have an 'Irish style'* academy as they are subject to a salary cap.




* There's nothing Irish about academies. Irish hubris really knows no bounds.

Academies are outside the salary cap and English clubs pay their academy players more. Indeed the upper limit for academy players was increased from £30k to £50k recently. We pay our academy players up to €12k. Your exemption for non home grown academy players is £100k which would cover our entire academy salary cost for home grown players.

Your post is even more nonsensical than usual.

Just about everything in your post is incorrect.

Well done.

The senior ceiling will be £5m (down from £6.4m), and it will continue to be linked to the central growth of Premiership Rugby.
Home-grown player credits will be retained up to £600,000.
International and EPS player credits will be retained but limited to a maximum of £400,000.
Season-long loans salary cap exemption will be removed.
The academy ceiling will remain at £100,000 (this is for non-home grown academy players) but the upper salary limit for an academy player will increase from £30,000 to £50,000. Homegrown academy players do not get counted in the £100,000, boosting the clubs’ ability to support young English qualified talent.
For any existing contracts that continue into the 2021-22 salary year, and beyond, their cap cost will be counted at 75% of their overall actual value, to sensibly manage the transition to new cap levels..

https://www.saracens.com/premiership-ru ... A350%2C000.

[OomStruisbaai]

Academies are outside the salary cap and English clubs pay their academy players more. Indeed the upper limit for academy players was increased from £30k to £50k recently. We pay our academy players up to €12k. Your exemption for non home grown academy players is £100k which would cover our entire academy salary cost for home grown players.

Your post is even more nonsensical than usual.

Is that p.a.?

Yep p.a. First years usually about 8k and up to 12k for the few third years. Fuck all of them. It's pocket money but they have some subsidised IRFU digs for them all to live in. It's not a salubrious life in the pecuniary sense

In South Africa its R240,000 pa. There is not many academies remaining.

[OomStruisbaai]

So Ireland and South Africa is on line. We we have to many wanting youngsters to get into the academies. Many pay to get in the academies, the other go to Varsities. Francois Pienaar created our Varsity Cup which is very popular and most of our top players like Eben Etzebeth came through that competition. Nowadays Varsity Cup players get franchise contract while still playing in the competition.

[OomStruisbaai]

The Stormers, Cheetahs, Griquas & Pumas academies are run by Uxi sport.


https://uxisport.co.za/

Any rugby player can apply to attend.

[OomStruisbaai]

Think this Namibian Paul Roser will skip academy

[fishfoodie]

Think this Namibian Paul Roser will skip academy

The main reason I don't like the idea of players skipping the academy, is that part of the academy is the guys are in 3rd level Education, & they're learning for the time after Professional sport.

If they have a career ending injury when they're 25, they're not totally adrift, if they at least have a degree, or a trade, or something to fall back on.

[CM11]

I think, but can't be sure, that all our guys finish out their degree and are accommodated accordingly.

[OomStruisbaai]

I think, but can't be sure, that all our guys finish out their degree and are accommodated accordingly.

Schalk Burger started at University after school. He played one season for Maties and never look back.

Not many finish their studies and then play professional.

[OomStruisbaai]

Some of our kids get poached by French club academies. Just one year and they returned. The French club where Jake White coached have appointed a French teacher at Grey College. Look like a fail.

[CM11]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... tRoO3JCTU2

Excuse the source but couldn't be arsed looking for a more reputable link.

Anyway, in short, Ringrose went from a captain's run for a HEC quarter final at the Aviva inside the stadium into an exam hall to do a college exam. This was the year he was instrumental in Ireland's GS and Leinster's HEC win.

[OomStruisbaai]

That's awesome.

[CM11]

Actually, before someone picks me up on the instrumental, he did miss the first 3 Irish games so maybe overegging it there!

[OomStruisbaai]

South Africa use to had an u19 and u21 CC. The provinces use to contract those u19s in the academies and then they played the CC in the same year. They change it now to only the i20 CC, so I think that fall away.

[FalseBayFC]

Think this Namibian Paul Roser will skip academy

I sure hope he can get citizenship/passport.

[OomStruisbaai]

Think this Namibian Paul Roser will skip academy

I sure hope he can get citizenship/passport.

He is already 5 years in SA. I,ll find out.

[OomStruisbaai]

They are busy sort out the paperwork

[FalseBayFC]

They are busy sort out the paperwork

Nice. This guy has a big future.

[FalseBayFC]

When Ronan met Johnny.