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sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 5:54 pm Yeah, can we just commit to ignoring him? He's the kind of far right conspiracy loon who will eat up all the oxygen in the room if you engage.

Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:46 pm So the next four or five weeks, Israel will hit a bunch of schools, mosques, a bunch of people sheltering, an aid convoy or six, it will level blocks of flats, drop willy pete (white phosphorus) everywhere, launch a full scale invasion, where they will attempt to go door to door (without knowing what they want to actually achieve..all of this will be just optics, P.R) , shoot lots of kids throwing rocks, kill plenty of journalists, and commit war crimes like they are going out of fashion.

Pro israelies here will debate every attack, justify every murder, , abuse and be unpleasant as fuck to everyone who isn't fully onboard with the genocide. Pretend the genocide that is happenning, in front of our eyes.. and shown every day.l isn't actually a thing, and we are imagining it.


I am just floating the idea that, probably constantly...that maybe this has all gone too far..that reasonable israelites should disband Israel (think I am correct but Israelies now have free, unquestioning visas to the USA) and they should pack up and leave, and encourage others to do the same...and that this should be an alternative in the forefront of their minds, and be there before durihg and after retaliation.

That the destruction, violence and murder that is going to happen in their ngood nmes, is just not acceptable. That Israel is not worth it, and a far far better existence awaits.

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:28 pm

Blimey, he doesn't mince his words.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:49 pm

Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:46 pm So the next four or five weeks, Israel will hit a bunch of schools, mosques, a bunch of people sheltering, an aid convoy or six, it will level blocks of flats, drop willy pete (white phosphorus) everywhere, launch a full scale invasion, where they will attempt to go door to door (without knowing what they want to actually achieve..all of this will be just optics, P.R) , shoot lots of kids throwing rocks, kill plenty of journalists, and commit war crimes like they are going out of fashion.

Pro israelies here will debate every attack, justify every murder, , abuse and be unpleasant as fuck to everyone who isn't fully onboard with the genocide. Pretend the genocide that is happenning, in front of our eyes.. and shown every day.l isn't actually a thing, and we are imagining it.


I am just floating the idea that, probably constantly...that maybe this has all gone too far..that reasonable israelites should disband Israel (think I am correct but Israelies now have free, unquestioning visas to the USA) and they should pack up and leave, and encourage others to do the same...and that this should be an alternative in the forefront of their minds, and be there before durihg and after retaliation.

That the destruction, violence and murder that is going to happen in their ngood nmes, is just not acceptable. That Israel is not worth it, and a far far better existence awaits.

Nut. Job.

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:28 pm

Blimey, he doesn't mince his words.

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:09 pm He actually used the phrase if you’re not with us you’re against us. Assuming that to be in reference to those from comfort of their respective safe countries, virtuously moralising.

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:07 pm Mohammed giving it both barrels, almost as good as a delivery as the Israeli chap, although I can imagine he triggers a few people on here.

The French prime minister has put the country on its highest state of counter-terrorism alert after an assailant fatally stabbed a teacher and seriously injured two others.
Witnesses say the knifeman shouted "Allahu Akbar", or "God is greatest", during the attack at a school in Arras, northern France. He is now in custody.
The "attack emergency" level has been used in previous counter-terror cases.

sefton wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:51 pm That’s being kind to him. All Israeli’s should move to America, here’s a bit of info, they’re not Americans, you anti-Semitic cunt.

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:24 pm Looks like that knife attack today in France was what suspected

The French prime minister has put the country on its highest state of counter-terrorism alert after an assailant fatally stabbed a teacher and seriously injured two others.
Witnesses say the knifeman shouted "Allahu Akbar", or "God is greatest", during the attack at a school in Arras, northern France. He is now in custody.
The "attack emergency" level has been used in previous counter-terror cases.

Global Jihad day. September 13.

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:26 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:24 pm Looks like that knife attack today in France was what suspected

The French prime minister has put the country on its highest state of counter-terrorism alert after an assailant fatally stabbed a teacher and seriously injured two others.
Witnesses say the knifeman shouted "Allahu Akbar", or "God is greatest", during the attack at a school in Arras, northern France. He is now in custody.
The "attack emergency" level has been used in previous counter-terror cases.

Global Jihad day. September 13.

Israeli diplomate got knifed in the street in Bejing, which is very random.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:24 pm

sefton wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:51 pm That’s being kind to him. All Israeli’s should move to America, here’s a bit of info, they’re not Americans, you anti-Semitic cunt.

Out of curiosity, what are they?

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:27 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:26 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:24 pm Looks like that knife attack today in France was what suspected



Global Jihad day. September 13.

Israeli diplomate got knifed in the street in Bejing, which is very random.

Yeah. You'd have thought chopstick.

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:33 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:24 pm

sefton wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:51 pm That’s being kind to him. All Israeli’s should move to America, here’s a bit of info, they’re not Americans, you anti-Semitic cunt.

Out of curiosity, what are they?

I know you asked the question to Sefton but they are Jews. Jews from the local geographical area dating back Millenia. The Arabs came to the area in around 650, sacking everyone's religious bits and bobs but I suppose that makes them locals too.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:41 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:33 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:24 pm

Out of curiosity, what are they?

I know you asked the question to Sefton but they are Jews. Jews from the local geographical area dating back Millenia. The Arabs came to the area in around 650, sacking everyone's religious bits and bobs but I suppose that makes them locals too.

I wasn't asking what religion they were.

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:43 pm Being Jewish is also a cultural identity thing as well as being a religion, some goes for being an Arab, you know this already.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:52 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:43 pm Being Jewish is also a cultural identity thing as well as being a religion, some goes for being an Arab, you know this already.

So, if me and some mates start a religion, might we have a country too? I'm thinking St Lucia would be nice.

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:55 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:52 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:43 pm Being Jewish is also a cultural identity thing as well as being a religion, some goes for being an Arab, you know this already.

So, if me and some mates start a religion, might we have a country too? I'm thinking St Lucia would be nice.

The world's your oyster, Torq, go for it.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:18 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:55 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:52 pm

So, if me and some mates start a religion, might we have a country too? I'm thinking St Lucia would be nice.

The world's your oyster, Torq, go for it.

Okay. I'll go back to your first point.

By the time we got to 1900, the population of "Palestine" was approx. 90% Muslim and the bulk of the rest Christian (in fact, Christians outnumbered Jews at least as far back as the 1500s). At least half the world's Jews lived in Russia.

The Brits (well, the English) expelled all their Jews in the 13th C. The Russians persecuted the Jews throughout the period of the Pogroms. The Krauts followed on from the Russians.

So when some Jewish terrorists (Brit's term for them, not mine for the masses of illegal Jewish immigration into Palestine**: maybe read up on Aliyah Bet) declared the State of Israel in 1948, it's little surprise to see it given immediate recognition by.......... Russia and Britain (plus the Brit's stooges, the Yanks).

The reality is the overwhelming blame for the clusterf**k that is the Middle East lies with the Brits with some marginal early French input and a shedload of Yank input (mostly post WW2).

**Ironic that the Brits are now "trying to stop the boats" eh?

sefton wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:49 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:28 pm

Blimey, he doesn't mince his words.

It doesn’t help his case when one of his first statements is a lie, Hamas is not ISIS.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:03 pm

sefton wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:49 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:28 pm

Blimey, he doesn't mince his words.

It doesn’t help his case when one of his first statements is a lie, Hamas is not ISIS.

Israelis been calling Hamas ISIS all day, I note on twitter they're sponsoring ads showing the pictures of the murdered victims in Israel.

I just don't really see how killing so many Palestinians is going to keep public support in their favour. And surely pissing off Qatar/UAE isn't the best idea either.

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:39 pm They already look weak to be fair. Iran and Russia must be rubbing their chinny chin chins

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:19 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:44 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:39 pm They already look weak to be fair. Iran and Russia must be rubbing their chinny chin chins

I don't think they're weak, just vastly unprepared and naive. If they survive this and I'm relatively confident they will, they will come back 10 times stronger, because they have too.

I just cannot understand how they ended up so vulnerable particularly at this time as Iran is fucking around all over the gaff. It's a mystery. There is an article on the Beeb about some mothers in a kibbutz sending messages while the attacks went on. I was surprised to hear the kibbutz had ten emergency response type militia and that was it. Of course they got fucked up. This was not a small kibbutz so I would have thought a much larger militia was needed if you bordered Gaza. Anyway who knows what the future will hold for them

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:54 pm Biden is irrelevant to this and you know it. They would have gone harder in with their Russian mate Trump. They didn't get in undetected. They were detected everywhere and both the set up to respond on the spot and at state level was fucked. Do they teach in Israeli military schools a Yom Kippur doctrine of we will get fucked up and then push back?

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:29 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:18 pm

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:55 pm

The world's your oyster, Torq, go for it.

Okay. I'll go back to your first point.

By the time we got to 1900, the population of "Palestine" was approx. 90% Muslim and the bulk of the rest Christian (in fact, Christians outnumbered Jews at least as far back as the 1500s). At least half the world's Jews lived in Russia.

The Brits (well, the English) expelled all their Jews in the 13th C. The Russians persecuted the Jews throughout the period of the Pogroms. The Krauts followed on from the Russians.

So when some Jewish terrorists (Brit's term for them, not mine for the masses of illegal Jewish immigration into Palestine**: maybe read up on Aliyah Bet) declared the State of Israel in 1948, it's little surprise to see it given immediate recognition by.......... Russia and Britain (plus the Brit's stooges, the Yanks).

The reality is the overwhelming blame for the clusterf**k that is the Middle East lies with the Brits with some marginal early French input and a shedload of Yank input (mostly post WW2).

**Ironic that the Brits are now "trying to stop the boats" eh?

Two questions for you to start with.

1. Of what relevance is the exit of the Jews from the UK in 1200 (introduced by the Normans) when 200,000 came back in the 19th century

2. Are you denying that the area is the ancestral homeland of the Jews?

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:15 am

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:29 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:18 pm

Okay. I'll go back to your first point.

By the time we got to 1900, the population of "Palestine" was approx. 90% Muslim and the bulk of the rest Christian (in fact, Christians outnumbered Jews at least as far back as the 1500s). At least half the world's Jews lived in Russia.

The Brits (well, the English) expelled all their Jews in the 13th C. The Russians persecuted the Jews throughout the period of the Pogroms. The Krauts followed on from the Russians.

So when some Jewish terrorists (Brit's term for them, not mine for the masses of illegal Jewish immigration into Palestine**: maybe read up on Aliyah Bet) declared the State of Israel in 1948, it's little surprise to see it given immediate recognition by.......... Russia and Britain (plus the Brit's stooges, the Yanks).

The reality is the overwhelming blame for the clusterf**k that is the Middle East lies with the Brits with some marginal early French input and a shedload of Yank input (mostly post WW2).

**Ironic that the Brits are now "trying to stop the boats" eh?

Two questions for you to start with.

1. Of what relevance is the exit of the Jews from the UK in 1200 (introduced by the Normans) when 200,000 came back in the 19th century

2. Are you denying that the area is the ancestral homeland of the Jews?

I'll answer your questions although you deny me the same courtesy.

1) I note your watering down to "exit" for what was as clear a case of ethnic cleansing as you could find in history. It's relevant because it demonstrates just how far back the English/Brits wanted Jewish money but not what they considered the problem of having the Jews on their own doorstep. In echoes of the Tory's get rid of unwanted immigrants to Rwanda, your Government tried to dump them in next door Uganda FFS. It's relevant because Britain's recognition of Israel was just self interested expediency. Remember that old maxim: "The English have no morals. Only interests."

2) Errrr, yes. I thought that was clear. With a Jewish population in "Palestine" of something like 1% in 1900, the vast majority of Jews in
Israel have no meaningful connection with the area. As per my comment on giving me St Lucia, the Jews are a religious group and not a racial one and even less so a national one.

Now, I've answered your questions so maybe you will spare me more evasion and answer mine? You don't see the hypocrisy in your long running board battles over your stance to prevent illegal immigration to the UK because, amongst other things, you think it displaces and waters down culture........... whilst at the same time supporting the creation of the state of Israel with the single, biggest illegal immigration and subsequent indigenous displacement in modern history?

Now, I'm going to be very clear because I'm sure you or someone is going to post the accusation. Am I anti-Jewish? Well, yes, but no more so than I am anti any other god bothering nonsense and considerably less so than I am anti-Catholic. Basically, I think god botherers have the absolute right to live anywhere peaceably as long as their ridiculous beliefs don't unduly impinge upon the rest of us. Am I anti-Israel? 100%. I do not acknowledge the right for an illegal state to exist any more than I acknowledge Russia's ownership of the Crimea, Germany's ownership of the Sudentenland (or any other "Liebensraum").

I return to the point: the Brits' centuries of self interest and duplicity in the region (reaching back to the Crusades) is almost entirely responsible for the sh*tfest the place is today. You lot f**ked all this up.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:15 am

David in Gwent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:29 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:18 pm

Okay. I'll go back to your first point.

By the time we got to 1900, the population of "Palestine" was approx. 90% Muslim and the bulk of the rest Christian (in fact, Christians outnumbered Jews at least as far back as the 1500s). At least half the world's Jews lived in Russia.

The Brits (well, the English) expelled all their Jews in the 13th C. The Russians persecuted the Jews throughout the period of the Pogroms. The Krauts followed on from the Russians.

So when some Jewish terrorists (Brit's term for them, not mine for the masses of illegal Jewish immigration into Palestine**: maybe read up on Aliyah Bet) declared the State of Israel in 1948, it's little surprise to see it given immediate recognition by.......... Russia and Britain (plus the Brit's stooges, the Yanks).

The reality is the overwhelming blame for the clusterf**k that is the Middle East lies with the Brits with some marginal early French input and a shedload of Yank input (mostly post WW2).

**Ironic that the Brits are now "trying to stop the boats" eh?

Two questions for you to start with.

1. Of what relevance is the exit of the Jews from the UK in 1200 (introduced by the Normans) when 200,000 came back in the 19th century

2. Are you denying that the area is the ancestral homeland of the Jews?

I'll answer your questions although you deny me the same courtesy.

1) I note your watering down to "exit" for what was as clear a case of ethnic cleansing as you could find in history. It's relevant because it demonstrates just how far back the English/Brits wanted Jewish money but not what they considered the problem of having the Jews on their own doorstep. In echoes of the Tory's get rid of unwanted immigrants to Rwanda, your Government tried to dump them in next door Uganda FFS. It's relevant because Britain's recognition of Israel was just self interested expediency. Remember that old maxim: "The English have no morals. Only interests."

2) Errrr, yes. I thought that was clear. With a Jewish population in "Palestine" of something like 1% in 1900, the vast majority of Jews in
Israel have no meaningful connection with the area. As per my comment on giving me St Lucia, the Jews are a religious group and not a racial one and even less so a national one.

Now, I've answered your questions so maybe you will spare me more evasion and answer mine? You don't see the hypocrisy in your long running board battles over your stance to prevent illegal immigration to the UK because, amongst other things, you think it displaces and waters down culture........... whilst at the same time supporting the creation of the state of Israel with the single, biggest illegal immigration and subsequent indigenous displacement in modern history?

Now, I'm going to be very clear because I'm sure you or someone is going to post the accusation. Am I anti-Jewish? Well, yes, but no more so than I am anti any other god bothering nonsense and considerably less so than I am anti-Catholic. Basically, I think god botherers have the absolute right to live anywhere peaceably as long as their ridiculous beliefs don't unduly impinge upon the rest of us. Am I anti-Israel? 100%. I do not acknowledge the right for an illegal state to exist any more than I acknowledge Russia's ownership of the Crimea, Germany's ownership of the Sudentenland (or any other "Liebensraum").

I return to the point: the Brits' centuries of self interest and duplicity in the region (reaching back to the Crusades) is almost entirely responsible for the sh*tfest the place is today. You lot f**ked all this up.

Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:42 am Torq, the ideas that Jews don't have a connection to Israel, or that Jews aren't a distinctive racial group are so wrong that there's not much point in the rest of your lengthy post.

There's clear racial genetic markers found in most Jews, whether they're of European, middle Eastern or even African descent.