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JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:02 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:51 pm Wales issues guidance that Christmas bubbles should be restricted to 2 households. But the law will remain 3 households

And a fresh lockdown for Wales starting on the 28th.

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:27 pm Cases going up quite quickly in Edinburgh as well it seems.

As an aside, my wife got pinged by the Scottish trace app this morning about someone she was near last Sunday so told to isolate for 2 days. Seems a little late.

Openside wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:26 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:02 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:51 pm Wales issues guidance that Christmas bubbles should be restricted to 2 households. But the law will remain 3 households

And a fresh lockdown for Wales starting on the 28th.

I assume backed by the Welsh pop at large?? if polls are to be believed.

Have yourself a merry little Christmas but this year, alas, preferably a very little Christmas.

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:55 pm So with the worst death rate in Europe and according to scientific advice likely carnage in the New Year due to his decision making now. The utter cunt of a Prime Minister decides on some comedy at his press conference

Have yourself a merry little Christmas but this year, alas, preferably a very little Christmas.

frodder wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:46 pm

Openside wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:26 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:02 pm

And a fresh lockdown for Wales starting on the 28th.

I assume backed by the Welsh pop at large?? if polls are to be believed.

The WG are probably more hated in Wales than they've ever been before.

Openside wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:10 pm

frodder wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:46 pm

Openside wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:26 pm

I assume backed by the Welsh pop at large?? if polls are to be believed.

The WG are probably more hated in Wales than they've ever been before.

There is anti government feeling everywhere (see above) but do the people support the lockdown ? as we are told the polls suggest.

Openside wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:08 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:55 pm So with the worst death rate in Europe and according to scientific advice likely carnage in the New Year due to his decision making now. The utter cunt of a Prime Minister decides on some comedy at his press conference

Have yourself a merry little Christmas but this year, alas, preferably a very little Christmas.

Do you not think the reason that they have relaxed the rules over Christmas is merely to prevent criminalising the majority of the country? He is either too late, too early, too lax too strict there is no winning this thing everyone wants a good old whinge maybe the Australians were right all along.

Openside wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:10 pm

frodder wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:46 pm

Openside wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:26 pm

I assume backed by the Welsh pop at large?? if polls are to be believed.

The WG are probably more hated in Wales than they've ever been before.

There is anti government feeling everywhere (see above) but do the people support the lockdown ? as we are told the polls suggest.

Openside wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:18 am

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:39 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:27 am
It's vintage of a particularly British attitude to our own stuff that is fairly cringeworthy. It must be crap because it's British, everyone else definitely doesn't have similar issues, rather than hope it works aim for snark from the start. Bin.

It's true, really infuriates me.

The current situation also seems to be quite British though. Opinion polls say the majority of people don't want a relaxation of rules over Christmas but unless we are actually told not to do it, the majority will go ahead anyway.

I wonder who they are talking to in these polls, I haven't spoken to a single advocate of lockdowns for months. FTR I am obeying them (before there is a pile on. )

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:27 pm I support the lockdown. Always have.

Good friend’s Xmas is fucked. His 14 year old son tested positive yesterday. Had to cancel his brother and wife coming over on 22nd-26th. Kicked the builders off site with plywood instead of glass in the gaps of the new extension. Gutted.

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:07 pm

Openside wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:10 pm

frodder wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:46 pm

The WG are probably more hated in Wales than they've ever been before.

There is anti government feeling everywhere (see above) but do the people support the lockdown ? as we are told the polls suggest.

I don’t think there actually is anti government feeling everywhere. I still think the majority are giving them the benefit of the doubt in an unprecedented situation

Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:05 pm The whole year has been just nuts. Started with mum having a serious blood infection the day of the lockdown, that took months to get her well..ended last week with mum falling and shattering her rotator cuff (the shoulder joint, think that is what it is called), and waiting 7 hours for an ambulance.
Who then took her to a minor injuries unit as the Grange was jam packed and completely swamped.
Not sure a shattered shoulder is a minor injury.

The Welsh NHS isn't at breaking point, it completely collapsed on the weekend.

Hong Kong wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:49 pm

Openside wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:01 pm No one, but no one thinks lockdowns are the way forward. Since golf clubs are full of generally older members of the population (who are most at risk) it doesn't even really make sense as a theory??

mat the expat wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:29 pm

Openside wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:01 pm No one, but no one thinks lockdowns are the way forward. Since golf clubs are full of generally older members of the population (who are most at risk) it doesn't even really make sense as a theory??

Why would their thinking matter if they are not scientists and health specialists?

How do you think Melbourne eradicated it's infection spike - it's not a theory, it's application

Openside wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:01 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:25 am

Openside wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:18 am

I wonder who they are talking to in these polls, I haven't spoken to a single advocate of lockdowns for months. FTR I am obeying them (before there is a pile on. )

people not at the golf club I imagine

Contrary to popular belief I don't spend all my time at the golf course, (there is also Real Tennis to consider ) I talk you a reasonably large number of people and No one, but no one thinks lockdowns are the way forward. Since golf clubs are full of generally older members of the population (who are most at risk) it doesn't even really make sense as a theory??

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JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:14 am Lockdowns work, but in specific circumstances:

1) you must be able to test, test, test
2) you must be able to effectively track clusters of infections and trace every contact
3) you must be able to prevent new infections arriving from outside the lockdown area
4) you must lockdown properly and at the right time (which then reduces the length of the lockdown) and not keeping 'going to the well'

Our lockdowns are essentially a sign of major failures in all of these areas. There's a reason the WHO has been saying lockdowns are a last resort and not the solution.

dpedin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:23 am

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:14 am Lockdowns work, but in specific circumstances:

1) you must be able to test, test, test
2) you must be able to effectively track clusters of infections and trace every contact
3) you must be able to prevent new infections arriving from outside the lockdown area
4) you must lockdown properly and at the right time (which then reduces the length of the lockdown) and not keeping 'going to the well'

Our lockdowns are essentially a sign of major failures in all of these areas. There's a reason the WHO has been saying lockdowns are a last resort and not the solution.

Agree 100%! UK have fecked this up big style and that shows in the death and economic numbers. We failed in all the above plus actively encouraged folk to go out and spread the virus by paying them to sit and eat in restaurants and pubs. Not only that we also allowed folk to come from a locked down city to fly here and watch a football match and other to go watch horse racing. Absolute madness. In trying to 'save the economy' we have ended up making matters 100x worse. Incompetence and ineptitude in spades.

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:07 pm

Openside wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:10 pm

frodder wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:46 pm

The WG are probably more hated in Wales than they've ever been before.

There is anti government feeling everywhere (see above) but do the people support the lockdown ? as we are told the polls suggest.

I don’t think there actually is anti government feeling everywhere. I still think the majority are giving them the benefit of the doubt in an unprecedented situation

Ted. wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:04 am

Openside wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:01 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:25 am

people not at the golf club I imagine

Contrary to popular belief I don't spend all my time at the golf course, (there is also Real Tennis to consider ) I talk you a reasonably large number of people and No one, but no one thinks lockdowns are the way forward. Since golf clubs are full of generally older members of the population (who are most at risk) it doesn't even really make sense as a theory??

Openside, sadly, it appears that you converse with easily led imbeciles on a regular basis. Mind, the version of lockdowns your government imposes might have tainted their thinking, so on receipt of further evidence, I'm willing to consider that I am being uncharitable.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:27 pm I support the lockdown. Always have.

Good friend’s Xmas is fucked. His 14 year old son tested positive yesterday. Had to cancel his brother and wife coming over on 22nd-26th. Kicked the builders off site with plywood instead of glass in the gaps of the new extension. Gutted.

Any pandemic management strategy relying upon immunity from natural infections for COVID-19 is flawed. Uncontrolled transmission in younger people risks significant morbidity(3) and mortality across the whole population. In addition to the human cost, this would impact the workforce as a whole and overwhelm the ability of healthcare systems to provide acute and routine care.

Furthermore, there is no evidence for lasting protective immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following natural infection(4) and the endemic transmission that would be the consequence of waning immunity would present a risk to vulnerable populations for the indefinite future. Such a strategy would not end the COVID-19 pandemic but result in recurrent epidemics, as was the case with numerous infectious diseases before the advent of vaccination. It would also place an unacceptable burden on the economy and healthcare workers, many of whom have died from COVID-19 or experienced trauma as a result of having to practise disaster medicine. Additionally, we still do not understand who might suffer from long COVID(3). Defining who is vulnerable is complex, but even if we consider those at risk of severe illness, the proportion of vulnerable people constitute as much as 30% of the population in some regions(8). Prolonged isolation of large swathes of the population is practically impossible and highly unethical. Empirical evidence from many countries shows that it is not feasible to restrict uncontrolled outbreaks to particular sections of society. Such an approach also risks further exacerbating the socioeconomic inequities and structural discriminations already laid bare by the pandemic. Special efforts to protect the most vulnerable are essential but must go hand-in-hand with multi-pronged population-level strategies.

Openside wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:37 am

Ted. wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:04 am

Openside wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:01 pm

Contrary to popular belief I don't spend all my time at the golf course, (there is also Real Tennis to consider ) I talk you a reasonably large number of people and No one, but no one thinks lockdowns are the way forward. Since golf clubs are full of generally older members of the population (who are most at risk) it doesn't even really make sense as a theory??

Openside, sadly, it appears that you converse with easily led imbeciles on a regular basis. Mind, the version of lockdowns your government imposes might have tainted their thinking, so on receipt of further evidence, I'm willing to consider that I am being uncharitable.

why do you think they are easily led imbeciles?? Most of my mates and social circle are captains of Industry etc. they are not tin foil hat wearing twitter debaters... Social distancing as much as possible is the way forward, its certainly worked for my family for the last 9 months. I just feel its got to the point where the proportion of the population who are frankly not statistically at risk need to be allowed to get on with it. If you are vulnerable or fearful isolate yourself. Interested to see how the vaccine is taken up/works to restore some sense of normality...

Openside, it's a virus that spreads very quickly and easily and would still kills many tens of thousands of "not at risk" people, hospitalise many more, and make life a misery for the whole population (while fucking the economy). While also increasing the risk of death for vulnerable people, because there's no way to "just get on with it" while still protecting the vulnerable.

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:00 am

Openside, it's a virus that spreads very quickly and easily and would still kills many tens of thousands of "not at risk" people, hospitalise many more, and make life a misery for the whole population (while fucking the economy). While also increasing the risk of death for vulnerable people, because there's no way to "just get on with it" while still protecting the vulnerable.

In the UK it hasn’t killed 10’s of thousands of “not at risk” this is a flat out untruth .

Rinkals wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:30 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:00 am

Openside, it's a virus that spreads very quickly and easily and would still kills many tens of thousands of "not at risk" people, hospitalise many more, and make life a misery for the whole population (while fucking the economy). While also increasing the risk of death for vulnerable people, because there's no way to "just get on with it" while still protecting the vulnerable.

In the UK it hasn’t killed 10’s of thousands of “not at risk” this is a flat out untruth .

You don't read so good, do you?

Rinkals wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:30 am

Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:00 am

Openside, it's a virus that spreads very quickly and easily and would still kills many tens of thousands of "not at risk" people, hospitalise many more, and make life a misery for the whole population (while fucking the economy). While also increasing the risk of death for vulnerable people, because there's no way to "just get on with it" while still protecting the vulnerable.

In the UK it hasn’t killed 10’s of thousands of “not at risk” this is a flat out untruth .

You don't read so good, do you?

Slick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:00 am

Openside wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:37 am

Ted. wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:04 am

Openside, sadly, it appears that you converse with easily led imbeciles on a regular basis. Mind, the version of lockdowns your government imposes might have tainted their thinking, so on receipt of further evidence, I'm willing to consider that I am being uncharitable.

why do you think they are easily led imbeciles?? Most of my mates and social circle are captains of Industry etc. they are not tin foil hat wearing twitter debaters... Social distancing as much as possible is the way forward, its certainly worked for my family for the last 9 months. I just feel its got to the point where the proportion of the population who are frankly not statistically at risk need to be allowed to get on with it. If you are vulnerable or fearful isolate yourself. Interested to see how the vaccine is taken up/works to restore some sense of normality...

I don't think they are easily led imbeciles but there is definately a "type" that has these opinions. People who think they are above it, entitled, ego driven, that type. And I include a few of my close friends and brother in law in that group.