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Calculon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 11:00 am

Gumboot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:53 am Haley has shown she's just as extremist as Trump. She wants to be on his ticket so will say nothing critical of him. She's hollow.

She's hollow in the sense that the only reason she became a Republican was because she lived in a heavily Republican area so that was the only option to gain power and influence. If she lived in a heavily Democrat area she would have become a Democrat. there is no way she is going to be on Trump's ticket, she knows it and I doubt she wants it. She has been criticial of Trump, many times, but she is also aware that she can't be too critical since she needs to win over those that still admire him. The same dilemma that faces all the GOP candidates though arguably she has handled it better by coming from well behind to overtake DeSantis, a genuinely horrible person, to be the main alternative to Trump

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:01 am As if MAGA types are ever going to vote for Nimarata Nikki Randhawa.

Calculon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:40 am

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:01 am As if MAGA types are ever going to vote for Nimarata Nikki Randhawa.

Not every Republican who will potentially vote for Trump is MAGA scum

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:44 am

Calculon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:40 am

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:01 am As if MAGA types are ever going to vote for Nimarata Nikki Randhawa.

Not every Republican who will potentially vote for Trump is MAGA scum

Without their votes, a republican candidate will not win.

Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:07 am

Hugo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:51 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:45 am Biden posts incredible job numbers, GDP rises and inflation reduction and now even the doomsayers are admitting that the Biden economy is heading for a soft landing - and STILL Fox and the cult claim he is ruining the US.

I cannot even vocalise my hatred for the US right now - a monstrous part of me wants it to descend into a civil war - lovely thought in a time of goodwill amongst men.

Wait, thats what has you hating the US right now and not what they are enabling in Gaza?

Oh for goodness sake - I can have thoughts outside of what is happening in Gaza. And besides - there is no good guy/bad guy situation in the that area.

My post was a reflection on what I see as an ignorant country, unaware of what it is fighting against - NATIONALLY.

Hugo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:48 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:07 am

Hugo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:51 pm

Wait, thats what has you hating the US right now and not what they are enabling in Gaza?

Oh for goodness sake - I can have thoughts outside of what is happening in Gaza. And besides - there is no good guy/bad guy situation in the that area.

My post was a reflection on what I see as an ignorant country, unaware of what it is fighting against - NATIONALLY.

The Biden admin just bypassed Congress to sell more arms to Israel which invariably means more dead Palestinians.

According to the polls the majority of Americans (and Im assuming a larger number of Democrats than Republicans*) support a ceasefire. So, Biden's support of Israel at this point politically unpopular and will likely jeopardise his chances of re-election. Unequivocal support for Israel is a hill he is apparently willing to die on.

* tbf even a significant number of GOP voters are sick of money being poured into black holes in various parts of the world.

Hugo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:48 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:07 am

Hugo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:51 pm

Wait, thats what has you hating the US right now and not what they are enabling in Gaza?

Oh for goodness sake - I can have thoughts outside of what is happening in Gaza. And besides - there is no good guy/bad guy situation in the that area.

My post was a reflection on what I see as an ignorant country, unaware of what it is fighting against - NATIONALLY.

The Biden admin just bypassed Congress to sell more arms to Israel which invariably means more dead Palestinians.

According to the polls the majority of Americans (and Im assuming a larger number of Democrats than Republicans*) support a ceasefire. So, Biden's support of Israel at this point politically unpopular and will likely jeopardise his chances of re-election. Unequivocal support for Israel is a hill he is apparently willing to die on.

* tbf even a significant number of GOP voters are sick of money being poured into black holes in various parts of the world.

Flockwitt wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 6:48 pm

Hugo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:48 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:07 am

Oh for goodness sake - I can have thoughts outside of what is happening in Gaza. And besides - there is no good guy/bad guy situation in the that area.

My post was a reflection on what I see as an ignorant country, unaware of what it is fighting against - NATIONALLY.

The Biden admin just bypassed Congress to sell more arms to Israel which invariably means more dead Palestinians.

According to the polls the majority of Americans (and Im assuming a larger number of Democrats than Republicans*) support a ceasefire. So, Biden's support of Israel at this point politically unpopular and will likely jeopardise his chances of re-election. Unequivocal support for Israel is a hill he is apparently willing to die on.

* tbf even a significant number of GOP voters are sick of money being poured into black holes in various parts of the world.

You are sadly out of touch with reality if you think the US voting public will actually care about this and vote one way or another depending on this issue come the general election.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:14 pm If they previously voted Dem, then opting not to vote is very much an assistance to Trump's cause. A man who is very much a friend to wannabe strong man leaders like Netenyahu, a very sttrong supporter of Israel and who recently declared that he wants to expand his Muslim ban if he returns to office, including barring any Gazan refugees from entering the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... a-refugees

Sometimes there are no good options, but one can definitely be worse than the other. If Muslim Americans think not voting for Biden is going to help Palestine in any way, then they're going to be in for a rude awakening.

Calculon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:53 am About the only funny thing of a second Trump presidency would be when his Muslim ban mk2 is introduced and seeing the reaction of the pro Palistinians who urged people not to vote for Biden. I absolutely detest this stupid and lazy idea of "both sides are as bad as each other"

Hugo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:48 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:07 am

Hugo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:51 pm

Wait, thats what has you hating the US right now and not what they are enabling in Gaza?

Oh for goodness sake - I can have thoughts outside of what is happening in Gaza. And besides - there is no good guy/bad guy situation in the that area.

My post was a reflection on what I see as an ignorant country, unaware of what it is fighting against - NATIONALLY.

The Biden admin just bypassed Congress to sell more arms to Israel which invariably means more dead Palestinians.

According to the polls the majority of Americans (and Im assuming a larger number of Democrats than Republicans*) support a ceasefire. So, Biden's support of Israel at this point politically unpopular and will likely jeopardise his chances of re-election. Unequivocal support for Israel is a hill he is apparently willing to die on.

* tbf even a significant number of GOP voters are sick of money being poured into black holes in various parts of the world.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:14 pm If they previously voted Dem, then opting not to vote is very much an assistance to Trump's cause. A man who is very much a friend to wannabe strong man leaders like Netenyahu, a very sttrong supporter of Israel and who recently declared that he wants to expand his Muslim ban if he returns to office, including barring any Gazan refugees from entering the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... a-refugees

Sometimes there are no good options, but one can definitely be worse than the other. If Muslim Americans think not voting for Biden is going to help Palestine in any way, then they're going to be in for a rude awakening.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 9:53 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:14 pm If they previously voted Dem, then opting not to vote is very much an assistance to Trump's cause. A man who is very much a friend to wannabe strong man leaders like Netenyahu, a very sttrong supporter of Israel and who recently declared that he wants to expand his Muslim ban if he returns to office, including barring any Gazan refugees from entering the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... a-refugees

Sometimes there are no good options, but one can definitely be worse than the other. If Muslim Americans think not voting for Biden is going to help Palestine in any way, then they're going to be in for a rude awakening.

There are at least two topics in American politics where there is no, winning, just degrees of losing:

1) Abortion - You'll always piss off someone
2) Israel - See #1

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:42 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 9:53 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:14 pm If they previously voted Dem, then opting not to vote is very much an assistance to Trump's cause. A man who is very much a friend to wannabe strong man leaders like Netenyahu, a very sttrong supporter of Israel and who recently declared that he wants to expand his Muslim ban if he returns to office, including barring any Gazan refugees from entering the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... a-refugees

Sometimes there are no good options, but one can definitely be worse than the other. If Muslim Americans think not voting for Biden is going to help Palestine in any way, then they're going to be in for a rude awakening.

There are at least two topics in American politics where there is no, winning, just degrees of losing:

1) Abortion - You'll always piss off someone
2) Israel - See #1

3. Gun Control

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:14 pm If they previously voted Dem, then opting not to vote is very much an assistance to Trump's cause. A man who is very much a friend to wannabe strong man leaders like Netenyahu

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 9:53 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:14 pm If they previously voted Dem, then opting not to vote is very much an assistance to Trump's cause. A man who is very much a friend to wannabe strong man leaders like Netenyahu, a very sttrong supporter of Israel and who recently declared that he wants to expand his Muslim ban if he returns to office, including barring any Gazan refugees from entering the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... a-refugees

Sometimes there are no good options, but one can definitely be worse than the other. If Muslim Americans think not voting for Biden is going to help Palestine in any way, then they're going to be in for a rude awakening.

There are at least two topics in American politics where there is no, winning, just degrees of losing:

1) Abortion - You'll always piss off someone The majority (around 80%) of US folk believe that abortion should exist in some form or another - it is only around 15% that believe that abortion should be illegal in all cases. Blanket bans (as suggested by the MAGAt extremists and religious twits) are extremely unpopular
2) Israel - See #1

Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:34 pm

Hugo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:48 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:07 am

Oh for goodness sake - I can have thoughts outside of what is happening in Gaza. And besides - there is no good guy/bad guy situation in the that area.

My post was a reflection on what I see as an ignorant country, unaware of what it is fighting against - NATIONALLY.

The Biden admin just bypassed Congress to sell more arms to Israel which invariably means more dead Palestinians.

According to the polls the majority of Americans (and Im assuming a larger number of Democrats than Republicans*) support a ceasefire. So, Biden's support of Israel at this point politically unpopular and will likely jeopardise his chances of re-election. Unequivocal support for Israel is a hill he is apparently willing to die on.

* tbf even a significant number of GOP voters are sick of money being poured into black holes in various parts of the world.

The issues in the ME are the only thing that should be on the table? The good news NATIONALLY should be ignored?

And anyway:

US don't support Israel - trump and his gormless cult members will scream about not supporting Israel and Fox 'news' will frig themselves into a steaming mess
US do support Israel - then all the lovies will scream about genocide and lay all the blame unfairly at the feet of Israel
US support a ceasefire - either they get branded as 'meddlers in ME situations OR in about 5 years when Hamas or a like for like group attack Israel then the US are told they are enablers and didn't do enough
The next Islamic terrorist attack will have everybody branding Muslims as terrorists - and goodness know what sort of pretzels the pro-Palestinian folk will tie themselves into if the attack should happen on US soil

And ultimately we will be back here in 10 years with people still screaming for a 2 state solution and no one making decisions except for rockets being thrown into Israel and civilians being killed by Israel bombs.

The situation is beyond any solution simply because if Israel put down their weapons then they will be wiped off the face of the earth - or alternatively - Palestine will keep trying to bloody Israels nose and complain when they themselves get knocked out.

It is fecked - and I lay the blame firmly at the various cults that lay claim to tracts of land and 'holy' sites based on stories told by uneducated charlatans trying to explain things from a primitive point of view. The issue is religion and its unending damage it visits on earth.

TEXAS!

A woman in TX, 12 weeks pregnant, Just found out the fetus has died.
There is no heartbeat.
They are making her continue to carry her dead baby until she goes into labor and delivers her dead baby.
This is mental and emotional trauma.

TB63 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:21 am

TEXAS!

A woman in TX, 12 weeks pregnant, Just found out the fetus has died.
There is no heartbeat.
They are making her continue to carry her dead baby until she goes into labor and delivers her dead baby.
This is mental and emotional trauma.

Examples like this might sway a few votes..

TB63 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:21 am

TEXAS!

A woman in TX, 12 weeks pregnant, Just found out the fetus has died.
There is no heartbeat.
They are making her continue to carry her dead baby until she goes into labor and delivers her dead baby.
This is mental and emotional trauma.

Examples like this might sway a few votes..

Gumboot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:57 am

TB63 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:21 am

TEXAS!

A woman in TX, 12 weeks pregnant, Just found out the fetus has died.
There is no heartbeat.
They are making her continue to carry her dead baby until she goes into labor and delivers her dead baby.
This is mental and emotional trauma.

Examples like this might sway a few votes..

So the right to life means a dead fetus trumps a live adult?

So pretty much the opposite approach to that of every other mature democracy on the planet...

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:14 amAdvocating for fetal rights is wonderfully easy as you don't actually have to have sacrifice anything yourself - that's all on somebody else. Particularly when you can completely stop giving a shit as soon as birth takes place.

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:14 am

Gumboot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:57 am

TB63 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:21 am

Examples like this might sway a few votes..

So the right to life means a dead fetus trumps a live adult?

So pretty much the opposite approach to that of every other mature democracy on the planet...

Advocating for fetal rights is wonderfully easy as you don't actually have to have sacrifice anything yourself - that's all on somebody else. Particularly when you can completely stop giving a shit as soon as birth takes place.

Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:34 pm

Hugo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2023 4:48 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:07 am

Oh for goodness sake - I can have thoughts outside of what is happening in Gaza. And besides - there is no good guy/bad guy situation in the that area.

My post was a reflection on what I see as an ignorant country, unaware of what it is fighting against - NATIONALLY.

The Biden admin just bypassed Congress to sell more arms to Israel which invariably means more dead Palestinians.

According to the polls the majority of Americans (and Im assuming a larger number of Democrats than Republicans*) support a ceasefire. So, Biden's support of Israel at this point politically unpopular and will likely jeopardise his chances of re-election. Unequivocal support for Israel is a hill he is apparently willing to die on.

* tbf even a significant number of GOP voters are sick of money being poured into black holes in various parts of the world.

The issues in the ME are the only thing that should be on the table? The good news NATIONALLY should be ignored?

And anyway:

US don't support Israel - trump and his gormless cult members will scream about not supporting Israel and Fox 'news' will frig themselves into a steaming mess
US do support Israel - then all the lovies will scream about genocide and lay all the blame unfairly at the feet of Israel
US support a ceasefire - either they get branded as 'meddlers in ME situations OR in about 5 years when Hamas or a like for like group attack Israel then the US are told they are enablers and didn't do enough
The next Islamic terrorist attack will have everybody branding Muslims as terrorists - and goodness know what sort of pretzels the pro-Palestinian folk will tie themselves into if the attack should happen on US soil

And ultimately we will be back here in 10 years with people still screaming for a 2 state solution and no one making decisions except for rockets being thrown into Israel and civilians being killed by Israel bombs.

The situation is beyond any solution simply because if Israel put down their weapons then they will be wiped off the face of the earth - or alternatively - Palestine will keep trying to bloody Israels nose and complain when they themselves get knocked out.

It is fecked - and I lay the blame firmly at the various cults that lay claim to tracts of land and 'holy' sites based on stories told by uneducated charlatans trying to explain things from a primitive point of view. The issue is religion and its unending damage it visits on earth.

Hugo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:17 pm For example, providing the arms and diplomatic support to Israel which has enabled their genocide of Palestinians.

Hugo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:17 pm "They get branded as meddlers in ME situations"

!!!!

What is the US if not a perennial troublemaker in the middle east? Its been a national pastime since WWII - they've effected regime change in both Iran (1953) and Iraq (2003) and got up to a host of other mischief in the region. For example, providing the arms and diplomatic support to Israel which has enabled their genocide of Palestinians.

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:00 pm I thought general public opinion on abortion was to the left of the hardline republican stance?
As in rolling back roe v wade was a vote loser for republicans rather than a vote winner.

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I DID NOTHING WRONG, MY FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE GREAT, & VERY CONSERVATIVE, THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE HIGHLY POLITICAL & TOTALLY CORRUPT NEW YORK STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAYS. SHE RAN FOR OFFICE ON, “I WILL GET TRUMP,” SHE & THE JUDGE FRAUDULENTLY VALUED MAR-a-LAGO IN PALM BEACH, FLORIDA, AT $18,000,000, BECAUSE IT SET THEIR FAKE NARRATIVE, WHEN IT IS WORTH 50 TO 100 TIMES THAT AMOUNT. THEY NEVER USED THE “N.Y.S. STATUTE” FOR THIS BEFORE, I WAS NOT ALLOWED A JURY, THERE WAS NO VICTIM, NO DEFAULT, NO DAMAGES, NO “NOTHING,” ONLY A VERY HAPPY BANK THAT GOT ALL OF ITS MONEY BACK, WITH BIG PROFITS. THE HIGHLY RESPECTED EXPERT WITNESS SAID IT WAS THE BEST FINANCIAL STATEMENT HE HAD EVER SEEN. THIS CASE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN BROUGHT, SHOULD BE IN THE COMMERCIAL DIVISION (THE RIGGED JUDGE WOULD NOT LET GO OF IT!), & I SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN GAGGED. NOW THE CORRUPT A.G. WANTS $370,000,000 AS BUSINESSES FLEE NEW YORK. THEY SHOULD PAY ME. THIS IS PROSECUTORIAL MISCONDUCT—A DOJ WITCH HUNT!

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I DID NOTHING WRONG, MY FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE GREAT, & VERY CONSERVATIVE, THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE HIGHLY POLITICAL & TOTALLY CORRUPT NEW YORK STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAYS. SHE RAN FOR OFFICE ON, “I WILL GET TRUMP,” SHE & THE JUDGE FRAUDULENTLY VALUED MAR-a-LAGO IN PALM BEACH, FLORIDA, AT $18,000,000, BECAUSE IT SET THEIR FAKE NARRATIVE, WHEN IT IS WORTH 50 TO 100 TIMES THAT AMOUNT. THEY NEVER USED THE “N.Y.S. STATUTE” FOR THIS BEFORE, I WAS NOT ALLOWED A JURY, THERE WAS NO VICTIM, NO DEFAULT, NO DAMAGES, NO “NOTHING,” ONLY A VERY HAPPY BANK THAT GOT ALL OF ITS MONEY BACK, WITH BIG PROFITS. THE HIGHLY RESPECTED EXPERT WITNESS SAID IT WAS THE BEST FINANCIAL STATEMENT HE HAD EVER SEEN. THIS CASE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN BROUGHT, SHOULD BE IN THE COMMERCIAL DIVISION (THE RIGGED JUDGE WOULD NOT LET GO OF IT!), & I SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN GAGGED. NOW THE CORRUPT A.G. WANTS $370,000,000 AS BUSINESSES FLEE NEW YORK. THEY SHOULD PAY ME. THIS IS PROSECUTORIAL MISCONDUCT—A DOJ WITCH HUNT!

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