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So Donald Trump, who is basically running as an incumbent, got the votes of 51% of 108,000 people who voted in the Iowa Caucus, which is just 14.4% of the state’s 752,000 registered Republicans, and this is supposedly why he'll easily win the general election?
The ones who turned up will be the extreme MAGA crowd, or vehemently opposed to him..
The rest are quiet and I suspect their vote won't be going his way..
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You gotta laugh at Iowa being described as a massive victory for the looser traitor; he got 51% of the vote in the most rabidly right wing caucus; that's it !

In other words, 49% of the GOP don't want him, although the figure is probably more like ~40%, & this was reflected in the pre-caucas polling, where ~40% of Haley supporters, answered that if the Traitor was the GOP candidate then they were voting for Biden !

All of this is without any actual criminal conviction, or even just days & days of testimony & damaging tapes etc being aired on nightly news.
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Hayley just doesn't know when to stop.

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Kiwias wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:13 am Hayley just doesn't know when to stop.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... 234947726/
"We've never been a racist country."

Such an idiotic thing to say.

And she's supposed to be the sensible moderate in the race.
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*shrug* she is telling the people who vote in the primaries she wants to win what they want to hear.
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Flockwitt wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:24 am *shrug* she is telling the people who vote in the primaries she wants to win what they want to hear.
True, she knows her primary audience, and not to piss off the MAGA faction.

No doubt it's her best play in the "race" for second place, but maybe it's also about staying in the Donald's good books until he selects his next Pence Puppet running mate.
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Calculon wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:51 pm
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2024 11:17 am
Calculon wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2024 11:01 am

And oddly enough China did initially propose exchanging sovereignty over HK for continued
British administration. Exactly like how they did with
Macau and Portugal . So the idea was not that far fetched and the reason why the British initially pushed the idea despite the PRC subsequenly changing their minds (and threatening the Brits).
Well now I know something was at one point possibly mooted but never came to pass that makes her madness reasonable.

There is some claim that Britain could have continued rule, but (a) China disputes many of the older treaties asserting they were established in wholly unfair manner, and (b) the area we could perhaps in theory have retained is a tiny part without the new territories, it's not worth it in itself, and it wouldn't have been practicable anyway. One might try to gloss over just how much China would have objected, but it's hard enough keeping hold of some marbles these days, HK would have proved a whole different level of challenge.

Haley is a moron, she picked an example knowing feck all about it, and there are plenty of easy examples she could have picked to cite Chinese expansionist outlook she overlooked in order to pick one which makes no sense. One might as well say if you keep jumping a little bit higher eventually you'll touch the moon, well maybe not quite that, but what she said in that line remains gibberish
What example should she have used instead of the Hong Kong one?
Wouldn't their "work" in the South China Sea be a bit of a gimmie? They're literally creating land and then claiming it and thr waters around it.
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TB63 wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2024 5:36 pm
So Donald Trump, who is basically running as an incumbent, got the votes of 51% of 108,000 people who voted in the Iowa Caucus, which is just 14.4% of the state’s 752,000 registered Republicans, and this is supposedly why he'll easily win the general election?
The ones who turned up will be the extreme MAGA crowd, or vehemently opposed to him..
The rest are quiet and I suspect their vote won't be going his way..
There was a programme on last night which showed that we possibly underestimate how unpopular Biden is at the moment.
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Unpopular with the right because Democrat and I assume unpopular with the left because Israel.
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Hal Jordan wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:15 am Unpopular with the right because Democrat and I assume unpopular with the left because Israel.
Israel, but mainly the economy.

There were some mad Arab Americans who said they won't vote for him over Israel and have switched their vote to Trump.... It's difficult to imagine a worse person for their cause, but I guess it's America.
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Slick wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:18 am
Hal Jordan wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:15 am Unpopular with the right because Democrat and I assume unpopular with the left because Israel.
Israel, but mainly the economy.

There were some mad Arab Americans who said they won't vote for him over Israel and have switched their vote to Trump.... It's difficult to imagine a worse person for their cause, but I guess it's America.
This is where I don't understand Americans. Their economy is in decent shape by most measures compared to the rest of the developed world.
And are there two g’s in Bugger Off?
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Biffer wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:10 pm
Slick wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:18 am
Hal Jordan wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:15 am Unpopular with the right because Democrat and I assume unpopular with the left because Israel.
Israel, but mainly the economy.

There were some mad Arab Americans who said they won't vote for him over Israel and have switched their vote to Trump.... It's difficult to imagine a worse person for their cause, but I guess it's America.
This is where I don't understand Americans. Their economy is in decent shape by most measures compared to the rest of the developed world.
Most Americans don't analyse the economy, they just listen to Senators/News outlets saying that "Biden is destroying the economy" and believe it.
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The second gas isn't basically free, it's a recession and the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.
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Biffer wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:10 pm
Slick wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:18 am
Hal Jordan wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:15 am Unpopular with the right because Democrat and I assume unpopular with the left because Israel.
Israel, but mainly the economy.

There were some mad Arab Americans who said they won't vote for him over Israel and have switched their vote to Trump.... It's difficult to imagine a worse person for their cause, but I guess it's America.
This is where I don't understand Americans. Their economy is in decent shape by most measures compared to the rest of the developed world.
The presenter was trying to get this across but the people they spoke with were saying it just doesn't feel like it and everything is getting more expensive. Fair enough really, it's how it feels here as well
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VERY testy exchange between Habba and Judge Kaplan after Habba again asked for adjournment so Trump can attend funeral.
Kaplan: "The application is denied. I will hear no further argument on it."
Habba attempted to speak.
Kaplan: "None. Do you understand that word?
Sit down."
Habba: "I don't like to be spoken to that way, your honor." She continued to ask for an adjournment, at which point Kaplan cut her off again:

"It’s denied. Sit down."
After an objection by Habba, Kaplan admonishes her. "First of all, when you speak in this courtroom, you'll stand up."

Garage claim lawyer showing herself up here...
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After Habba says she intends to question Carroll about a topic previously deemed off-limits, Judge Kaplan scolds her again:
"The last I heard, Ms. Habba, I do not need announcements from counsel about what they intend to do."
Habba stared to speak.
Judge Kaplan: “Sit down.”
With the jury out of the room, Carroll's lawyer Shawn Crowley is complaining that Trump is muttering loud enough that the plaintiff's table can hear him. Crowley says Trump is saying Carroll's testimony is false and suggesting she has "suddenly gotten her memory back."
Before jury re-enters, Judge Kaplan says: "I’m just going to ask that Mr. Trump take special care to keep his voice down when he’s conferring with counsel so that the jury does not overhear it."
Kaplan threatened to kick Trump out of court after Carroll counsel complained again about Trump's commentary. Kaplan: "Mr. Trump has the right to be present here. That right can be forfeited." He continued: "Mr. Trump, I hope I don’t have to consider excluding you from the trial"
After Trump threw his hands up in the air and said, "I would love it," Judge Kaplan continued: "I know you would," Kaplan said. "I know you would. You just can’t control yourself in this circumstance, apparently."
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Chilling, quite literally (from yesterday's J. Obrien's):
Iowan GOP caucus voters asked whether they'd rather have Trump as dictator or Biden as president
tl;dl: Dictator please. (at least for some of them, I don't know what they edited out)
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Habba may now hold the new record for the worst Lawyer ever to represent the orange looser Rapist; & that includes Rudy :shock:

On just the first day she's pissed off the Judge more than a dozen times, & every time it just showed she isn't fit to be inside a Federal Court. She's making it up as she goes along, & doesn't have a clue about the ground rules. The best may be yet to come, as Joe Tacopina, who was a well respected lawyer on the previous defamation case, has now withdrawn, & there's a very good chance that that is because the Rapist wants to testify this time out, & Habba is dumb enough to not stop him.

If the vile piece of shit steps into the witness box, & lies under oath, then the Jury will probably add another zero onto the damages they'd already decided to aware, & now he'll be on the hook for contempt & perjury.

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I'm pretty sure Tacopina is saying he'll withdraw because if he's allowed it'll delay proceedings. That said I don't know if the basis on which he's attempting to withdraw has been confirmed, in advance one hopes the judge will tell him tough, you're it. Delay seems the only viable strategy Trump has, and it could work.

Weird in the Carroll trial Trump couldn't even be bothered to respect the jury, he just got up and walked out once they were done for day when normally everyone stands and waits for the jury to file out. It's just more thinking that suggests he thinks he's King. Not sure what he gains from snubbing the jury, just no need.
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And I don't believe for a moment Trump wants to testify.
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Looks like some election votes were actually misreported.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... dApp_Other

In Trump's favour.
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Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:38 am And I don't believe for a moment Trump wants to testify.
I think you overestimate his mental state !

If he had the self-awaredness, & disipline to know what a fucking terrible idea it is, he wouldn't have continued to repeat the libel after he'd lost the first case, & it'd cost him $5M; there's also the back & forth between the original Judge & Tacopina, where Tacopina tells the Judge his client is considering testifying, & even the Judge questions the wisdom, & Tacopina says something along the lines of, "well you know my client ?".

In the end the Judge gave them some time to either commit to the testimony, or not, & he didn't.

There's also the rapists comments between the two cases, where he blames the loss of the first one on one lawyer talking him out of testifying, when if he had, he'd totally have won the case :roll:
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fishfoodie wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:30 pm
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:38 am And I don't believe for a moment Trump wants to testify.
I think you overestimate his mental state !

If he had the self-awaredness, & disipline to know what a fucking terrible idea it is, he wouldn't have continued to repeat the libel after he'd lost the first case, & it'd cost him $5M; there's also the back & forth between the original Judge & Tacopina, where Tacopina tells the Judge his client is considering testifying, & even the Judge questions the wisdom, & Tacopina says something along the lines of, "well you know my client ?".

In the end the Judge gave them some time to either commit to the testimony, or not, & he didn't.

There's also the rapists comments between the two cases, where he blames the loss of the first one on one lawyer talking him out of testifying, when if he had, he'd totally have won the case :roll:
The judge said he can testify Monday if he wants to. Trump wants to wait until Thursday to attend the funeral of Melanie's mother and then say the judge by not allowing a delay has denied him a chance to testify.

I think Trump is thick as mince, but even then he has the capacity to realise testifying under oath is a god awful idea for him.
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Sandstorm wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:29 pm
Biffer wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 12:10 pm
Slick wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 11:18 am

Israel, but mainly the economy.

There were some mad Arab Americans who said they won't vote for him over Israel and have switched their vote to Trump.... It's difficult to imagine a worse person for their cause, but I guess it's America.
This is where I don't understand Americans. Their economy is in decent shape by most measures compared to the rest of the developed world.
Most Americans don't analyse the economy, they just listen to Senators/News outlets saying that "Biden is destroying the economy" and believe it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_th ... prov=sfla1
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Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:37 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:30 pm
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:38 am And I don't believe for a moment Trump wants to testify.
I think you overestimate his mental state !

If he had the self-awaredness, & disipline to know what a fucking terrible idea it is, he wouldn't have continued to repeat the libel after he'd lost the first case, & it'd cost him $5M; there's also the back & forth between the original Judge & Tacopina, where Tacopina tells the Judge his client is considering testifying, & even the Judge questions the wisdom, & Tacopina says something along the lines of, "well you know my client ?".

In the end the Judge gave them some time to either commit to the testimony, or not, & he didn't.

There's also the rapists comments between the two cases, where he blames the loss of the first one on one lawyer talking him out of testifying, when if he had, he'd totally have won the case :roll:
The judge said he can testify Monday if he wants to. Trump wants to wait until Thursday to attend the funeral of Melanie's mother and then say the judge by not allowing a delay has denied him a chance to testify.

I think Trump is thick as mince, but even then he has the capacity to realise testifying under oath is a god awful idea for him.
Ahh, I missed that bit :thumbup:

So he just wanted to do some grandstanding before NH
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Edit. Seeing the whole video just now, she had her father in the car...

Still can't disguise that look though...
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TB63 wrote: Sat Jan 20, 2024 7:57 am Dementia Don..

https://x.com/BidenHQ/status/1748534604401614968?s=20
And the almost total lack of response from the crowd suggests that they are aware he is struggling to make any sense.
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"Meatball" Ron DeSantis has just given up & declared that he's a loser & a cuck.

I don't think I've ever seen an individual with less charisma run for the US Presidency. His poll numbers were at their highest before he ever actually declared, & once he did on that disastrous twitter video call, they just went down & down every month. The more people saw him, the worse he did, he just creeped people out
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Its going to be Trump again isn't it?

Fucking hell.
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tc27 wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 9:45 pm Its going to be Trump again isn't it?

Fucking hell.
Well let's wait till NH has it's caucus Tuesday; we'll have some idea then how many of Meatballs supporters were "Never Trumpers", & how many were just looking for a younger MAGA candidate.

It was always going to take something extraordinary for the loser traitor to not get the nomination; but luckily there are at least 91 extraordinary things going on at the moment, & there's also the 14th Amendment discussion to play out.

There are a significant percentage of even MAGA nutters who concede that a guilty verdict in any one of the criminal trials would stop them voting for him; & that, or an adverse SCOTUS decision would leave the GOP scrambling to either run a candidate who will not only lose (again), but also destroy the chances on the down-ballot votes, & might lose the GOP more than just the Presidency !!!

Now even in the event of 91x convictions, I don't think the loser would withdraw, so they might face going into the Convention trying to get an electable alternative candidate against the one chosen by their caucuses, & I've know idea how that would even work.
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I keep opening this thread when I see new posts hoping he’s died. One day.
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Slick wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:13 pm I keep opening this thread when I see new posts hoping he’s died. One day.
I reckon that notification belongs here

https://notplanetrugby.com/viewtopic.ph ... start=2320
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fishfoodie wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:06 pm
tc27 wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 9:45 pm Its going to be Trump again isn't it?

Fucking hell.
Well let's wait till NH has it's caucus Tuesday; we'll have some idea then how many of Meatballs supporters were "Never Trumpers", & how many were just looking for a younger MAGA candidate.

It was always going to take something extraordinary for the loser traitor to not get the nomination; but luckily there are at least 91 extraordinary things going on at the moment, & there's also the 14th Amendment discussion to play out.

There are a significant percentage of even MAGA nutters who concede that a guilty verdict in any one of the criminal trials would stop them voting for him; & that, or an adverse SCOTUS decision would leave the GOP scrambling to either run a candidate who will not only lose (again), but also destroy the chances on the down-ballot votes, & might lose the GOP more than just the Presidency !!!

Now even in the event of 91x convictions, I don't think the loser would withdraw, so they might face going into the Convention trying to get an electable alternative candidate against the one chosen by their caucuses, & I've know idea how that would even work.
I think those 91 prosecutions are precisely why he will be re-elected. So much free advertising - and then there is the sympathy vote as so many voters see these cases as political.
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Enzedder wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:47 amI think those 91 prosecutions are precisely why he will be re-elected. So much free advertising - and then there is the sympathy vote as so many see these as political.
Yep, sadly I reckon that's bang on. Very worried for the future of American democracy at this point...
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There are good reasons why the Democrats have stayed the course with Sleepy Joe despite the risks of his age. The danger is of course he'll have a senior moment at the wrong juncture and I think Kamala looses against Trump.
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Enzedder wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:47 am
fishfoodie wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:06 pm
tc27 wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 9:45 pm Its going to be Trump again isn't it?

Fucking hell.
Well let's wait till NH has it's caucus Tuesday; we'll have some idea then how many of Meatballs supporters were "Never Trumpers", & how many were just looking for a younger MAGA candidate.

It was always going to take something extraordinary for the loser traitor to not get the nomination; but luckily there are at least 91 extraordinary things going on at the moment, & there's also the 14th Amendment discussion to play out.

There are a significant percentage of even MAGA nutters who concede that a guilty verdict in any one of the criminal trials would stop them voting for him; & that, or an adverse SCOTUS decision would leave the GOP scrambling to either run a candidate who will not only lose (again), but also destroy the chances on the down-ballot votes, & might lose the GOP more than just the Presidency !!!

Now even in the event of 91x convictions, I don't think the loser would withdraw, so they might face going into the Convention trying to get an electable alternative candidate against the one chosen by their caucuses, & I've know idea how that would even work.
I think those 91 prosecutions are precisely why he will be re-elected. So much free advertising - and then there is the sympathy vote as so many voters see these cases as political.
I understand the concern, but I don't think that's how it will work.

It's true that each time he got indicted, he got a boost in donations, & he & his lick-spittles trumpeted this as a sign of support for him. The fact was that the donation spike got smaller & smaller every time, & given that legal fees are the biggest ticket item in the campaign finances, he needs to get charged a lot more !

This campaign has the same basic considerations as every other one. Each side has their base vote, & then there are the independent voters in the middle.

All of the GOP failures between Biden's win, have shown that the MAGA base is the only safe votes he can rely on. Overturning Roe v Wade was an incredible misstep, & it lost many Non-MAGA GOP votes, & most of the independents. I don't think he'll get as many sympathy votes, as Biden will get votes from Non-MAGAs who just want madness to stop; they're sick of it.

There's also the teeny, tiny matter of money, & the lack thereof !

There are several GOP State orgs on the point of going bankrupt, & the Traitor isn't getting the big donors; they preferred the alternatives, & very clearly set their face against him.

You can't win the Presidency without plenty of Ad money; & right now the orange one doesn't have a pot to piss in, because he's toxic to most of the big donors.
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Trump’s Save America political action committee has paid nearly $37 million to more than 60 law firms and individual attorneys since January 2022, Federal Election Commission records show. That amounts to more than half of the PAC’s total expenditures, according to an Associated Press analysis of campaign finance filings, and represents a staggering sum compared to other political organizations.

The bulk of the Trump PAC money went to law firms that have defended Trump against a series of criminal charges or in civil lawsuits. Other attorneys paid with the contributions worked on behalf of Trump’s businesses, his children, former White House aides and employees of the ex-president.


So the self confessed multi billionaire is fleecing his cult followers out of they're hard earned money...
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