I did wonder why Starmer didn't throw more petrol on to Boris's pyre by taking a slander case against him.
Not sure he can sue for something said in Parliament, they have immunity i believe, if its said outside he i think can sue.
Correct!! Just hope one of them repeats it elsewhere outside Parliament
Raab was invited to repeat Johnson’s baseless comments without the benefit of parliamentary privilege on the Today programme this morning several times. He refused each time, and instead tried to pretend Johnson’s comments were part of the ‘normal cut and thrust’ of politics. These people have no shame.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:08 am
by Happyhooker
Yea, it's called parliamentary privilege. It's why raab was pressed on it this morning and refused to confirm it.
Peter Hain used it to name philip green and someone used it to name ryan giggs
From an outsiders point of view, I don't know whether he is a cúnt or just a brain-dead moron. I am inclined to go with the latter.
He genuinely can't be brain dead to have done what he has in the past
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:20 am
by dpedin
It really is Catch 22 for the Tories now!
On the one hand they raise the required number of letters and then have a leadership contest which won't be pretty, demonstrating clearly the divisions within the party and the presence of a large number of right wing nutters and the Blonde Bumblecunt might even win again! It is likely many of the front runners, or at least those with brains, won't stand this time round as they don't want to inherit the absolute clusterfuck the BB has left them. You could therefore end up with their equivalent of a 'Corbyn-like' leader but without the charm and moral stance. A far right, 'god fearing', venture capitalist sourced ERG type is a strong possibility and that would create huge divisions and internal battles within the Tory party. They would end up toast.
On the other they keep the BB and there continues to be a slow drip drip of more scandals and wrong doings ie PPE contracts going to court, islamophobia, dodgy money into the party, etc. The BB couldn't lead us out of a wet paper bag and the damage and inequity across society would grow as the cost of power, cost of living, Brexit failures all become glaringly obvious. They react with even more draconian right wing populist policies and growing realisation amongst even the most ardent BB supporters that he is a dud and they get rid of him but too late for the election run in. The amount of damaging material on BB has only just started to dribble out, there is more, a lot more ie Acuri, Bunga Bunga parties in Lebedev's Italian villa, PPE contracts, Russian money and influence, etc. Now the finger has been taken out of the hole in the dam and the BB cloak of bluster and lies has been exposed, those like Cummings and others will leak damaging info forever and it will stick on their damaged leader and party.
Either way the Tory Party has got what it deserved. It voted in the Blonde Bumblecunt as their leader in order to gain power fully knowing he is a misogynist, sexist, jingoistic, racist, two faced lier who was badly compromised by a number of dodgy characters not least from Russia. They knew, having won the Brexit vote, that it now hung around their neck like a dead albatross, they had no idea or plan about what to do next. BB was the solution, he was prepared to lie, cheat and trash the UK in order to 'get it past the post' and win popularity with voters for them in the process. However all he did was delay and obfuscate, the damage and price of Brexit is now becoming clear and it ain't pretty. However there is a price to pay and that is what they now face and the bill might be losing the next election and the trashing of their traditional Tory Party values and support. They have sold their soul to the devil and have now to pay the very, very high price. It is not going to end well.
From an outsiders point of view, I don't know whether he is a cúnt or just a brain-dead moron. I am inclined to go with the latter.
He genuinely can't be brain dead to have done what he has in the past
These are not mutually exclusive! He is a brain dead moronic cunt ... the worst sort of brain dead moronic cunt ... one in power at the centre of Government!
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:24 am
by Happyhooker
You don't get a masters in law from cambridge and the Clive parry prize if you're brain dead.
Which in my opinion makes his actions even more inexcusable
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:38 am
by Iain(bobbity)
With a couple of exceptions none of them are stupid, which doesn't improve matters.
I'm sure that we've all known politician types, and we've all agreed to leave politics to them.
From an outsiders point of view, I don't know whether he is a cúnt or just a brain-dead moron. I am inclined to go with the latter.
He genuinely can't be brain dead to have done what he has in the past
I disagree. Upwards career trajectories in politics very rarely have much to do with overall intelligence.
to quote just a few of his blunders, Dover - Calais not that important......... I have not read the GFA ( although he was pontificating on it and it's only 32 pages ffs ) ...... I never supported privatising the NHS ( according to a book he co-wrote in 2011, he did )....... leaking information on a meeting he had with Veradker and then denying he had done such a thing......... Confusing the Irish Sea with the Red sea !!! I jest you not......Blocking James O'Brien on twitter because O'Brien fact checked him and called him out on it.........the list goes on.
Every country has muppets who rise to the top but Raab is a very special child of Jesus.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:46 am
by yermum
I can only hope that the debtor squares up soon
I can't remember ever being so dispondant about the state of political leadership in this country.
We are fucked.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:50 am
by The sun god
Happyhooker wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:24 am
You don't get a masters in law from cambridge and the Clive parry prize if you're brain dead.
Which in my opinion makes his actions even more inexcusable
Clive Parry should ask for his prize back....... ( BTW as I am sure you know, there are 20/30 prizes given out each exam period in every faculty )
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:51 am
by petej
Iain(bobbity) wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:38 am
With a couple of exceptions none of them are stupid, which doesn't improve matters.
I'm sure that we've all known politician types, and we've all agreed to leave politics to them.
Yep. At uni you know these types are mostly weirdo's that are to be avoided. That is the problem though it needs more people to put themselves forward. You actually need normal people to join the Tory party to reclaim it. You don't actually need very many to do that as the membership is so small.
Happyhooker wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:24 am
You don't get a masters in law from cambridge and the Clive parry prize if you're brain dead.
Which in my opinion makes his actions even more inexcusable
Clive Parry should ask for his prize back....... ( BTW as I am sure you know, there are 20/30 prizes given out each exam period in every faculty )
I knew there were a few, but not that many. Thanks, I will delight in telling my sister she's not that special after all.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:56 am
by dpedin
Happyhooker wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:24 am
You don't get a masters in law from cambridge and the Clive parry prize if you're brain dead.
Which in my opinion makes his actions even more inexcusable
I agree, however ...
Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Head of Propaganda was originally considering a career as a priest in the Catholic Church. He was top of his class at school and went on to study literature and history at Universities of Bonn, Wurzburg, Frieburg and Munich. He won an academic scholarship. He completed his PhD at Heidelberg under the supervision of a jewish professor. He wrote 14 books on his academic area of study. Hitler said in his will he wanted Goebbels to be his successor. Goebbels, along with his fellow nazis, was also responsible for the death of millions of innocent people across the world, not least as a result of the holocaust.
Please don't ever think academic achievement is the same as being a decent human being. Raab is a cunt who can pass exams, an intellectual toss bag of a man.
Happyhooker wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:24 am
You don't get a masters in law from cambridge and the Clive parry prize if you're brain dead.
Which in my opinion makes his actions even more inexcusable
I agree, however ...
Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Head of Propaganda was originally considering a career as a priest in the Catholic Church. He was top of his class at school and went on to study literature and history at Universities of Bonn, Wurzburg, Frieburg and Munich. He won an academic scholarship. He completed his PhD at Heidelberg under the supervision of a jewish professor. He wrote 14 books on his academic area of study. Hitler said in his will he wanted Goebbels to be his successor. Goebbels, along with his fellow nazis, was also responsible for the death of millions of innocent people across the world, not least as a result of the holocaust.
Please don't ever think academic achievement is the same as being a decent human being. Raab is a cunt who can pass exams, an intellectual toss bag of a man.
Happyhooker wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:24 am
You don't get a masters in law from cambridge and the Clive parry prize if you're brain dead.
Which in my opinion makes his actions even more inexcusable
I agree, however ...
Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Head of Propaganda was originally considering a career as a priest in the Catholic Church. He was top of his class at school and went on to study literature and history at Universities of Bonn, Wurzburg, Frieburg and Munich. He won an academic scholarship. He completed his PhD at Heidelberg under the supervision of a jewish professor. He wrote 14 books on his academic area of study. Hitler said in his will he wanted Goebbels to be his successor. Goebbels, along with his fellow nazis, was also responsible for the death of millions of innocent people across the world, not least as a result of the holocaust.
Please don't ever think academic achievement is the same as being a decent human being. Raab is a cunt who can pass exams, an intellectual toss bag of a man.
Raab will have a very narrow focus of promotion in the Tory party and law. His knowledge pool will be deep but lack breadth. Coupled with a lack curiosity and arrogance you easily get someone like Raab knowing nothing about trade through Dover.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:06 pm
by Happyhooker
dpedin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:56 am
Please don't ever think academic achievement is the same as being a decent human being.
Happyhooker wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:24 am
You don't get a masters in law from cambridge and the Clive parry prize if you're brain dead.
Which in my opinion makes his actions even more inexcusable
I agree, however ...
Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Head of Propaganda was originally considering a career as a priest in the Catholic Church. He was top of his class at school and went on to study literature and history at Universities of Bonn, Wurzburg, Frieburg and Munich. He won an academic scholarship. He completed his PhD at Heidelberg under the supervision of a jewish professor. He wrote 14 books on his academic area of study. Hitler said in his will he wanted Goebbels to be his successor. Goebbels, along with his fellow nazis, was also responsible for the death of millions of innocent people across the world, not least as a result of the holocaust.
Please don't ever think academic achievement is the same as being a decent human being. Raab is a cunt who can pass exams, an intellectual toss bag of a man.
Raab will have a very narrow focus of promotion in the Tory party and law. His knowledge pool will be deep but lack breadth. Coupled with a lack curiosity and arrogance you easily get someone like Raab knowing nothing about trade through Dover.
She is 65 so got at least 10 years of public service/destruction still in her.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:10 pm
by GogLais
Iain(bobbity) wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:15 pm
Some of the reported noise after the 1922 meeting is that MPs have remembered that Johnson won them the election and will win another.
That's what actually matters in politics.
Nice dilemma for them How much will getting Brexit done help him in 2024?
I did wonder why Starmer didn't throw more petrol on to Boris's pyre by taking a slander case against him.
Not sure he can sue for something said in Parliament, they have immunity i believe, if its said outside he i think can sue.
Ahh. Okay.
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:26 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Happyhooker wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:24 am
You don't get a masters in law from cambridge and the Clive parry prize if you're brain dead.
Which in my opinion makes his actions even more inexcusable
Maybe some conflating of aspects going on here revolving around whatever definition of "brain dead" is being used by everyone. It's possible to be academically excellent and still make dreadful real world decisions either
- because you don't live in the real world
- or because your position of power leads you to wantonly corrupt choices
I know what you are saying but I give you Diane Abbott
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:27 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Happyhooker wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:54 am
I knew there were a few, but not that many. Thanks, I will delight in telling my sister she's not that special after all.
But smart enough to steals tens of £000s from the public purse in dodgy expense claims and fiddling what constituted her main residence.
Yep, her daughter lived in the "second" home whilst receiving a £50k salary as her PA/Secretary!!!!
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:13 pm
by SaintK
So we may never know who actually gets fined!!!
he prime minister’s spokesman refused to commit to No 10 disclosing the names of anyone in Downing Street fined over illegal parties. Asked if No 10 would disclose this information, the spokesman said:
The Metropolitan police have confirmed that, if they fine anyone over parties in Downing Street, they will not name them,
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:31 pm
by Insane_Homer
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:04 pm
But smart enough to steals tens of £000s from the public purse in dodgy expense claims and fiddling what constituted her main residence.
and dumb enough to get caught.
SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:13 pm
So we may never know who actually gets fined!!!
he prime minister’s spokesman refused to commit to No 10 disclosing the names of anyone in Downing Street fined over illegal parties. Asked if No 10 would disclose this information, the spokesman said:
The Metropolitan police have confirmed that, if they fine anyone over parties in Downing Street, they will not name them,
So it will be orchestrated (and later exposed) so that they can say an undisclosed number of people were fined, without actually doing it.
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:04 pm
But smart enough to steals tens of £000s from the public purse in dodgy expense claims and fiddling what constituted her main residence.
and dumb enough to get caught.
SaintK wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:13 pm
So we may never know who actually gets fined!!!
he prime minister’s spokesman refused to commit to No 10 disclosing the names of anyone in Downing Street fined over illegal parties. Asked if No 10 would disclose this information, the spokesman said:
The Metropolitan police have confirmed that, if they fine anyone over parties in Downing Street, they will not name them,
So it will be orchestrated (and later exposed) so that they can say an undisclosed number of people were fined, without actually doing it.
I can 100% guarantee it will be leaked
Re: Stop voting for fucking Tories
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:44 pm
by salanya
I'm happy to be the naive one again, but I find it shocking to see how many 'people on the street' think Boris is doing a good job and this wasn't something to resign over.
Plenty of people don't seem to expect any standards or accountability from politicians.
I'm sure the beeb is trying to prove their neutrality by showing all points of view, but it's still pretty odd to see.
As are all the Tory lackeys defending Boris - how little integrity do these people have?!
